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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 03:23 PM Original message |
David Ray Griffin has some sage advice (and a great new book) |
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Grateful for Hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. He is right |
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didact (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. Yes, he is right...and I don't even believe in a 911 conspiracy* |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
2. That's a brillant strategy |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. In what logical world are internal contradictions not a measure of falsehood? |
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PerpetualYnquisitive (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Add any more red herrings to that list... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Cute. |
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PerpetualYnquisitive (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
79. I will point out a couple. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:17 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Do you even know what Rumsfeld & General Myers were supposedly doing on 9/11? |
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PerpetualYnquisitive (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Why are you concentrating on military personel... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. More recycled crap from mhatrw. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Where did I cut and paste that from, AZCat? |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. You're right, you didn't cut and paste. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Nope. The second post was plaguarized from this post. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Serves me right for not checking post times. |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. "Red herrings" and "recycled crap" is not helping LARED from his slap-down |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. Slap down? -- "snort" - nt |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. What a big stinky straw man you've erected |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #56 |
74. Do you wish to challenge me on any of the stories that I say stink to high heaven? |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Sure, lets try number 1 |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:04 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. The story of what Bush did on 9/11 stinks to high heaven. |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. Like actors lost without their scripts on opening night... |
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SDuderstadt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. Okay, Elias.... |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. connecting the dot |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. That's what "creation science" is |
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MarkyX (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #2 |
84. DRG doesn't bring evidence, only accusations |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. Griffin has yet to deal with the detailing debunking of his last book by Ryan Mackey. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Griffin has very intelligently changed his strategy. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. "Debunkers grasp onto any nit" -- Ryan Mackey demolished every argument DRG made |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Aye, aye, that's intelligence, matey! |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Oh? |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 04:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. coherent argument? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Old news, Crawling Chaos. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
42. That's it? |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. I notice you don't do any of that "showing what he said to be wrong" stuff |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I considered his argument... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Bullshit. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. I beg to differ |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 04:24 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. More bullshit. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 06:52 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Now that is what they call... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 07:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. "Sad little game, fooling no one." As a description of your stalling, I couldn't agree more. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
103. Deleted message |
Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Feel free to bring back an example of his error, mhatrw. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
27. I started reading that crap, but my eyes glazed over. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. "boring to mhatrw" doesn't equate to "incorrect." |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Normally, it would. But Mackey's arguments are so dense and nit picky |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Methinks the mhatrw protests too much. n/t |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Look, I just tried to read that utter crap again. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 04:27 AM Response to Reply #60 |
68. At least you provided an "example" |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. No, it's nitpicky. All Griffin did was supply a quote that supports his |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #73 |
75. "Ryan Mackey writes a bunch of stuff!" Time to call the... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Wrong! Mackey's deception borders on... |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
62. Mackey is proven wrong here... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Yes, that's right Craig. |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. You are as wrong as Mackey is,... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. While I am honored that you would compare me... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. Stubborn, aren't you? |
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quicknthedead (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Too bad you don't know what seismic "origin time" is... |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Ahh, if only you saw it from our perspective. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. I bet it is annoying... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. LOL! |
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seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. Great vid here about the book |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-28-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
9. DRG? A new book to sell?... |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
15. an important point |
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MarkyX (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. So you guys don't have a hypothesis or a proper narrative.. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. The OCT narrative is full of holes big enough to fly a 757 through. |
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CrawlingChaos (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Straight to that tired old tactic, I see |
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MarkyX (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 07:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. A point I forgot to mention |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. don't you understand the point of the OP? |
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MarkyX (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. So accusation is fine without evidence? |
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BeachBaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Hi MarkyX..... |
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MarkyX (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Oh yeah? |
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BeachBaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I think I already explained that. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Is there an "alien forum" here at DU? |
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BeachBaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. OMG - now THAT is the most ridiculous thing I've heard today. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. I wear your insults and derision as a badge of honor. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. Yes, you are doing a great service to the world, boloboffin. |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 01:47 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. "Propping up the Global War on Terror (nt) is God's work!" |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
85. This may come as a shock to you, but |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. To be quite honest, the only thing I know about DRG is what I've read here... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-03-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #85 |
102. Yep. People change. Just like Adam Pearlman. |
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number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
93. bravo JerseyGirlDem |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. "we are defending DU from this 9/11 Truth nonsense." |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Craig or Aldo, whichever one you are |
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noise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
66. Nonsense? |
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BeachBaby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Hey, noise.... |
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number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #40 |
92. bolo this is the biggest pile you |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. *yawn* n/t |
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number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. hey bolo |
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noise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
65. It's easy for Bill Clinton |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. I'm accusing the OCT account of 9/11 of being contradictory and incredible. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. No you don't. |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Debunk away. All these OCT stories still stink to high heaven. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Why? |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. What is it? |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
58. Here is just part of just one chapter. |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. THAT... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. It's aint just Bush and it ain't just because his entourage was criminally negligent in putting |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I took a quick look at one of your links... |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-31-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. Yes, one of the links slightly overstates its case. |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. No, but appeal of conviction is, if facts don't support the conviction |
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mhatrw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #19 |
29. That's the nature of disinformation. |
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Sweet Pea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 08:38 AM Response to Original message |
23. Where's the sage advice? |
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elias7 (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-29-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. I'm guessing... |
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