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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 10:31 PM
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Photo gallery from Sept 11...
Taken by Pete Burke, with his comments. He was taking pictures as events were unfolding.

Not sure if this has been posted before, but I found quite stunning.

http://www.pbase.com/peteburke73/september_11&page=all

Sid
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-04-08 11:20 PM
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1. Thanks Sid.
:hi: Here's another 911 gallery.
That's a pic of the alledged vaporized steel found in the towers, btw.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 01:59 PM
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2. do you know of any photos of the planes
not the usual ones we see on the cable networks but amateur ones.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:50 AM
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10. That is something you will never see.
ever.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 12:04 PM
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3. There's something kind of bogus about some of those,
if you look closely. Like the woman crossing Greenwich Street. It looks like a composite. (Where someone stuck a bunch of different figures into a scene) There are also different styles to some of the photos.
and how likely is it that he knew those guys were looking at a "plane" cushion, I find that highly suspect. The area was in lockdown, I doubt people were wandering around looking at things taking pictures. JMHO.
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 01:58 PM
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4. The area was in lockdown?
Are you for real? What makes you think the area was in "lockdown", whatever the hell that means? There are tens of tens of tens of thousands of people that work in lower Manhattan. The police are going to state "There is a lockdown, people, interpret that as you may, but do not wander around nor take pictures". The fact of a bajillion pictures taken by umpteen thousand people with every sort of camera imaginable from the time of the first aircraft impact should have been obvious to you from the start. people were wandering around everywhere, running away, getting closer, whatever,.

As far as the plane cushion goes, ya think he might have wandered over (oh yeah, the "lockdown") and saw what those individuals were looking at? Naw...too obvious and easy of an answer. Those photos are obviously all photoshopped and we have yet another complicit government stooge on the payroll of the E9D (Evil 9/11 Doers) team.

"Lockdown". Sheesh.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 03:44 PM
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5. you sound angry.
I think these photos look bogus. That's my opinion. There was no public transportaion in or out of lower manhattan at some point, although it was probably after the initial event. The seat cushion is fishy. It seems odd to me that someone would walk towwrds, rather than away from the scene of a disaster. I know people who lived at the time in lower manhattan, and they say it was in lockdown and there were military all over the place.

The photos with the people look fake to me. The poses are incongruous.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:52 PM
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6. Upon what basis do you make those assertions?
Is it your personal incredulity alone? Or do you have some basis in fact, knowledge, experience and/or expertise upon which you base your allegations?

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piobair Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:31 AM
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7. Another graduate
of the Nebula Institute of Forensic Analysis and Fast Food Delivery Technology.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:50 AM
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9. I'm a vegetarian
I think it clears my mind up some, based on some of the comments I see here.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 11:49 AM
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8. Maybe it's the two left legs on the woman with the hat
Or the "photographer" taking the train to NJ when transportation in and out of manhattan was shut down.
I work with editorial photo images, some of these are blatant fakes.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:46 PM
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11. Please be specific and post the photos to which you are referring.
Specifically, please post the "two left legs on the woman with the hat" photo, the "photographer taking the train" photo, and whatever other photos you regard as "blatant fakes".

Thank you in advance.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:27 PM
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19. This is a hilarious photo
She has two left legs, among other problems. I have had half a dozen people laugh out loud at this. We work with images.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 09:24 PM
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30. I don't find it the least bit humorous, myself.
Perhaps you could elaborate on the source of your mirth?
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:38 AM
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37. Yes, bad workmanship is not very funny. nt
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:12 PM
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39. Pathetic and unfounded "analysis" is even less funny.
And describing photos that depict horrific death and destruction as "hilarious" is not even remotely funny.
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piobair Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 07:55 AM
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31. No she doesn't.
The feet look a little odd but I think that is just perspective. The calf muscles are just as they should be for a right and a left leg. If you choose to suspend disbelief and assume the pic is photo shopped, to what end? What possible motive would there be to inserting a picture of a woman with two left legs into an otherwise normal picture?
AS I said before, it doesn't appear that you are very good at photo analysis.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:24 PM
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33. I agree.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 09:27 PM by Laurier
It appears that victordrazen isn't very good at photo analysis and that he has no interest in backing up his unsupported assertions.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:36 AM
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35. "a little odd but just the perspective" lol
You guys always have an excuse
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:13 PM
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40. No, it's called reality.
No excuses, just reality.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:37 AM
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36. and check out the flying skirt
There was no wind as I recall, they stuck that "fabric" there to hide something else.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 11:18 PM
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41. What nonsense.
The woman's dress is not "flying" and no wind is required for a woman's dress to swing as she walks. In fact, part of the art of dressmaking is the swing. Your so-called "photo analysis" is so horrible, unsupported, and lame that I have a hard time believing that you're even remotely serious.

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piobair Donating Member (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 09:43 PM
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12. You must not be very good at what you do. n/t
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:28 PM
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21. Neither are you, cuz I'm not taking your bait.
Trying to psyche me out isn't going to make me back down from saying some of these pictures are LAUGHABLE.
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-18-08 11:50 AM
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42. Feel free to contact the photographer and tell him
his a liar and a fake.

peteburke73@hotmail.com
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 08:12 AM
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32. Of course there is, you poor soul.
And that's why your posts are stuck here, at the children's table, instead of where the grownups talk.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:36 PM
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13. "Two men examine a seat cushion from AA Flight 11"
Yeah, right. A charred seat cushion couldn't possibly have come from one of the hundreds of chairs that were in the part of the building affected by the 1st hit-- the cushion could only have come from "flight 11"!!!
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:57 PM
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14. Oh, for crying out loud
Are you seriously suggesting that a cushion from an airline seat is not distinguishable from a cushion from an office chair?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:38 PM
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15. Yeah, because my office chair cushion...
also doubles as a flotation device in the event of an office building water landing. :eyes:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 01:41 PM
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16. LOLOLOLOL n/t
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:23 PM
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18. How do you know that particular cushion
"doubles as a floatation device"? It's highly unlikely anyone would stop to examine a dusty old cushion on the street in that set of circumstances. It's also highly unlikely that if it were a cushion from flight 11 it would have made it intact to the street. But you guys act like the highly unlikely is high science.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:28 PM
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20. I don't know what "high science" is.
Most of what I do is just plain old "science".

More importantly, why are you yammering on about "highly unlikely" events? It's irrelevant - the events already happened. Probability is used for predicting behavior, not post-behavior analysis.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:30 PM
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23. yeah, sure
let me guess - an engineer? uh-huh, not that it would make any difference, I have several of em in my family they don't agree on anything and it doeesn't qualify them as experts because they have some degree.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:32 PM
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24. A degree does not qualify someone as an expert.
At least we can agree on that. However, as I have not claimed to be an expert in anything, your point is irrelevant. Now can you explain what "high science" is, or were you just making up bullshit terms?
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:18 PM
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17. Exactly
Also, at that time, no one knew it was supposed to be a jetliner or "flight 11". LOL
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:28 PM
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22. Hmmm. I'm pretty sure they knew it was a jet aircraft.
The whole "eyewitnesses" thing and all.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:32 PM
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25. You need to watch the televised reports
People were saying everything from "just an explosion" to a small aircraft. Then the network execs got it together and had people they knew (wives & people who worked for them) say it was an airliner. Then it magically became "flight 11"
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:33 PM
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26. There wasn't any "magic" about it.
That's just fucking stupid.
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:39 PM
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27. You're right, it was planned for a long time. nt
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:44 PM
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28. You wouldn't happen to have any proof?
Because otherwise I'd be inclined to think that you are prone to making unsupported allegations. We wouldn't want that, would we?
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 02:46 PM
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29. self delete...
Edited on Sun Apr-13-08 02:46 PM by wildbilln864
!
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victordrazen Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 10:34 AM
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34. unsupported allegations like
Osama bin Laden did it?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 12:05 PM
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38. Your evasion is noted.
Not surprising.
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