Philip Berg really says it all about 9/11 "Truthers" to me

[ButterflyBlood]

The guy also is now with the Freeper nuts claiming Obama was not born a natural born citizen and is thus ineligible to be President.

Which in my mind is no less ridiculosu than 9/11 conspiracy theories. But really, that says it all, it simply attracts nuts who'll be drawn to nuttiness of any stripe.

[procopia]

1. Do Freeper nuts believe the OCT?

Just a guess, but probably of those who claim Obama is not a natural born citizen, more believe the Official Conspiracy Theory than question it.

[vincent_vega_lives]

2. Plenty of progressive Democrats

Do not by the "9-11 was an inside job" story.

And Alex Jones is no progressive.

[procopia]

3. And plenty of conservatives

do not buy the official conspiracy theory, but that is beside the point. The point was, just because one (1) 9/11 truth seeker also subscribes to the birther conspiracy, that should not and does not reflect on the entire truth community. Not just one, but many birther conspiracy theorists also subscribe to the OCT. Does that make all OCTists nutty?

[jberryhill]

4. It's not a liberal/conservative thing

I follow the antics of the birthers, and was initially surprised at how many of them are also tied in with the whole NWO/Bilderberg/CFR stuff, which overlaps with a lot of the 9/11 stuff.

That's WHY Berg is perfectly acceptable as one of the leading lights of the Birther camp. Initially a lot of people assume that "You know he was a 9/11 Truther" will turn off his supporters.

Crazy is just about crazy - it's not a left/right split.

[procopia]

5. Didn't I say that?

I said it's beside the point. This was my point: The fact that one truther, Berg, buys into the birther nuttiness doesn't reflect on the entire truth movement.

[jberryhill]

7. To be fair...

...there has been more than one Alex Jones fan in the DUngeon, and he's the Wal-Mart of CT's.

[procopia]

8. What does Alex Jones have to do with the OP?

Nothing, but ironically, he is as reliable, or more so, than the authors of the OCT.

[jberryhill]

9. The Broader Point About CT Overlap

You said that Berg is "one". Berg has a lot of followers who believe both CT's.

So does Jones, and presumably his sidekick "Loose Change" co-creator Jason Bermas.

It is a little disingenuous for you to say that Berg is "just one example" and then ask why it is relevant to provide another prominent example.

Throw Webster Tarpley in there too.

I'm not aware of whether Larouchies buy into the BC stuff, but it wouldn't surprise me either.

But if Alex Jones is "reliable", we are not likely to agree on much.

[procopia]

10. Did I say Alex Jones is reliable?

Don't twist my words, please. I said Jones was as reliable, or more so, than the OCT authors.

Berg is the only birther believer mentioned by the OP. Read it. It is only because of that one birther believer that the OP dismisses the entire truth community.

OTOH, I'm betting that, of all birther believers, most of them buy the OCT, because most of them are staunchly conservative and still believe Bush was chosen by God.

[jberryhill]

11. "Berg is the only birther believer mentioned by the OP"

Yes. He is representative of a class of crazy people that believe crazy things. I gave further examples.

Do you engage in conversations much? Or just keep focusing on the first thing said?

[procopia]

12. Distort much?

"He is representative of a class of crazy people that believe crazy things."

He is representative only of those who believe both the birther and the 9/11-inside-job conspiracies.

He is not representative of the most truth movement adherents, so his beliefs do not reflect on the entire truth movement as suggested by the OP. The attempted conflation won't fly.

[jberryhill]

13. We seem to agree

"He is representative only of those who believe both the birther and the 9/11-inside-job conspiracies."

Yes, that is a re-phrasing of what I said.

WeAreChange.org, Luke Rudkowski's outfit, has an Obama birther piece from WorldNutDaily on the front page.

[procopia]

14. We don't...

I don't agree the truth movement is a "crazy thing." How did seeking the truth ever become a crazy thing?

OTOH, it could be that accepting without question the word of known criminals and liars who have suppressed evidence and stonewalled investigation of the crime of the century is a crazy thing. Sounds crazy to me...

[jberryhill]

15. Accepting it without question is indeed crazy

Who has done that?

In my case, it has been several years since I was first intrigued by the "no plane at the Pentagon" stuff, and did indeed look for answers to a lot of questions raised by that.

You seem to believe that those who have reached conclusions different from yours have accepted something without question. Your belief is incorrect.

However, in the course of asking questions and seeking answers, I have observed that a lot of false answers seem to come from a cadre of people who believe a lot of crazy things. Quite a number of them - Berg, Jones, Bermas, Tarpley, Rudkowski, etc. have also latched onto the birth certificate nonsense.

In fact, if you search this forum, you will find postings from me last year, prior to the elections, correctly predicting that these people would be going after Obama with insane theories in the event he wins the election. My prediction was correct.

[procopia]

16. Yes, a great many people

have never questioned the OCT for a minute. You did a personal (internet?) investigation of the Pentagon no-plane claim (which has no bearing on the veracity of the OCT, btw) and now...you accept the OCT authored by known criminals and liars--without question.

I have observed that a lot of false answers seem to come from a cadre of people who believe a lot of crazy things. Quite a number of them - Berg, Jones, Bermas, Tarpley, Rudkowski, etc. have also latched onto the birth certificate nonsense.

OCT adherents have a cadre of people who believe a lot of crazy things: Alan Keyes, Michael Savage, and Rush Limbaugh have questioned Obama's citizenship. Michael Reagan said all 9/11 truthers should be killed. Joe Scarborough said truthers should be tasered and thrown into detention camps.

Your conflation theory doesn't work.

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[Bolo Boffin]

18. 9/11 families were on the air while the towers collapsed, blaming the Jews?

Lyndon Larouche, dudeinthemiddle.

[lovepg]

21. You would be surprised to find out how many official story nuts were in the Bush..

Administration. So what does that prove that if you believe in the official story you must be a Bush supporter?
This from the very same people who object strongly to being tarred with that brush now seem to take some delight, in insinuating that because some
freeper con idiots believe the something about 911 it discredits all those others who see the need for a real investigation.
Well by your own logic i guess that makes you all BUSH supporters.

[BeFree]

6. And the freepers...

...are all cool with the OCT, right? Are you saying that anybody who believes as the freepers do is nuts? Birds of a feather flock together?

[JackRiddler]

19. Question. What proportion of those questioning the place of Obama's birth...

...were hardcore supporters of the Bush regime?

...attributed the Sept. 11th attacks to "Muslims" or "Islam" per se?

...think Clinton was to blame for weakening the US and inviting foreigners to attack us?

...supported the Iraq invasion 100 percent?

...have occasionally voiced the sentiment that they would like to see the Arabs nuked?

...agree that torture was too good for the detainees?

...think anyone who questions the official story of 9/11 is a TRAITOR?

...might like to round up anyone who questions the official story of 9/11? (Also: "liberals" in general)

My hypothesis, unfortunately in the absence of a scientific poll of "birthers":

MAJORITIES ON ALL OF THE ABOVE.

What's your guess? Honestly. Everyone's invited to guess.

At any rate, the set of beliefs listed here commonly all go together, and will definitely be found among those you call "birthers."

Therefore, by your (fallacious) logic, the Bush-endorsed version of the official conspiracy theory (hell, ANY version of the official story) is a nuttiness that attracts nuts!

[JackRiddler]

20. hmm... that was it, I guess.

[tenseconds]

22. re: nuts

I found a bag of walnuts in the dumpster. Most of them were still really good.

[Twist_U_Up]

23. you couldnt lump holocaust denier in there too?

How about the race card? Or doesnt that work in this context?

pleeease :boring: