Israel warned CIA of large-scale terror attack in Aug 2001 - Telegraph

[DoYouEverWonder]

This article was published just 5 days after the 9-11 attack. Aside from the claim that Israel warned the US about the attack, the rest of the article is a detailed account of the official government version of the events of 9-11. Funny how in just 5 days the London Telegraph would know so many details about the US response to the attack. You don't think Richard Perle would have had anything to do with getting these talking point out?

Israeli security issued urgent warning to CIA of large-scale terror attacks

By David Was tell in Washington and Philip Jacobson in Jerusalem
(Filed: 16/09/2001)

ISRAELI intelligence officials say that they warned their counterparts in the United States last month that large-scale terrorist attacks on highly visible targets on the American mainland were imminent.

The attacks on the World Trade Centre's twin towers and the Pentagon were humiliating blows to the intelligence services, which failed to foresee them, and to the defence forces of the most powerful nation in the world, which failed to deflect them.

The Telegraph has learnt that two senior experts with Mossad, the Israeli military intelligence service, were sent to Washington in August to alert the CIA and FBI to the existence of a cell of as many of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation.

"They had no specific information about what was being planned but linked the plot to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans that there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement," said a senior Israeli security official.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/wcia16.xml

On 09/16/01 the London Telegraph created the 9-11 myth.

[seatnineb]

1. Mossad blames Saudis .....Saudis blame Mossad!

This has to be the one of most interesting remarks... made by King Abdullah(then prince) himself.....

Saudi Arabia, on Saudi television, Crown Prince Abdullah told a strikingly different story about who was to blame.

NBC News translated Abdullah's remarks from Arabic: “Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I don’t say, I mean... It is not 100 percent, but 95 percent that the Zionist hands are behind what happened.”

Prince Nayef, the Saudi Interior Minister said, “Al-Qaida is backed by Israel and Zionism.”

As for the alleged Saudi doublespeak, a Saudi official in the United States defends the remarks, arguing that Zionists and others who argue for regime change in Saudi Arabia “share the same objective as Osama bin Laden.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5218227/

[LARED]

2. Well now that's breaking news if I ever heard

Saudi Arabia blames the Jews. :sarcasm:

[seatnineb]

3. Perle "predictions".

Strange....

The Saudis may blame the "Zionists".

But the pro-israeli Likudist Richard Perle has a funny knack of makin' his dreams come true.......

In the words of Richard Perle:
Wednesday, Nov. 21, 2001

"I think if we destroy the Taliban and then Saddam Hussein the others will be more tractable,"

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/11/20/202218.shtml

And what does Perle think about Saudi Arabia?

"The Saudis in the end will be consumed by the flames they've been feeding,Osama bin Laden has been eager to get his hands on the money, power, and wealth of Saudi Arabia."
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/11/20/202218.shtml

And low and behold.......

2003
A car packed with explosives crashed into a residential compound housing Westerners in the capital Riyadh, where a joint US and Saudi-owned company was also attacked.
http://www.countercurrents.org/sa-peachey130503.htm

2004
The bomb which detonated in the Saudi capital ripped through a five-story building Wednesday and could be heard up to a half-mile away.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/04/21/saudi.blast/

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[seatnineb]

5. Who hates the House of Saud most?.......Osama or Dick Perle?

In the words of Richard Perle:

In the last chapter, we argued that we should apply every possible pressure to halt Saudi Arabia's campaign to spread its murderous version of Islam - including, if necessary, encouraging the secession of the kingdom's oil-producing Eastern Province.

An End to Evil.
By Richard Perle.
Page 152

[LARED]

6. Well, there's a pretty long line of those that despise the

House of Saud, but how is this relevant to anything?

BTW, the quote sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

You also skipped over what I think are some important questions (although possibly not relevant)

Really, do you think the Jews (Zionists) are blowing up compounds in Saudi Arabia?
Do you think the Jews (Zionists) control US foreign policy?
Do you believe the world would be a better place if those pesky Jews just got out of Israel?

[seatnineb]

7. Tough questions.........but there is something that is wierd.

If you look at the index of the 9/11 commission report you will find that the Saudi Mahabeth(secret police) interviewed the families of the Saudi hijackers.These interviews basically consolidate the official story of 9/11 as we know it.....that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi Arabian(That they broke of with their respective parents in 1999 and went to Chechnia/Afgnanistan and subsequently AlQuida ect ect)

But

The head of this same Mahabeth is one Prince Nayef who has gone on record as saying:

"We still ask ourselves: Who has benefited from Sept. 11 attacks? I think they the Jews) were the protagonists of such attacks,"

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000540-print.html

So how does the head of the secret police in Saudi Arabia ,who interviewed Saudi 9/11 hijacker families who confirmed that it was their progeny who were involved in the 9/11 attacks......still say that it was the Jews or Zionists who did this same 9/11?

Go figure!

[sabbat hunter]

8. simple

it benefits the Saud family to perpetate the myth that jews were behind the 9/11 attacks.

[seatnineb]

11. Really?

It also benefits the House Of Zion(Sharon and Co) to perpetrate the idea that Saudis were behind the attacks.

[LARED]

9. something that is wierd, you say.

I'll tell you what weird is that you can't manage to figure out that the Saudi government has a anti-semitic, anti-Zion position that is state policy.

What's also pretty weird is that you seem unable to disengage yourself from the moronic notion that 9/11 was part of a Zionist plot.

Go figure!!

[seatnineb]

10. Yeah....wierd.

If the Saudi goverment has a policy that is Anti-Zionist.....

Then how come it just happens to be great friends with the U.S that happens to be good friends of ....Israel.

[hack89]

12. Self interest - the first Gulf War is the answer to your question.

You are really out of touch if you aren't aware how virulently anti-semitic the Saudis are.

[seatnineb]

14. And how "anti-Saudi" are the Zionists?

That the House Of Saud is "anti-Zionist" is well documented.

What is not documented is how "anti-Saudi" the Neo-con faction are.

Saudi-funded religious schools drill boys to memorize the Koran in its original Arabic language, a language few of them will ever understand. They learn no trade or skills, no math, no science, no Western language - only deadening rituals and murderous prejudice. <...> By the time they "graduate," they are unemployable, deformed personalities. Meanwhile, in city slums and unelectrified villages, Saudi-funded imams preach jealousy and rage to populations baffled by their country's backward slide and repeated military defeats.

An End To Evil
By Richard Perle.
page 259-260.

Now if I was an average Saudi on the streets of Riyad...I would be pretty offended by Perle's remarks......wouldn't you?

[hack89]

15. Perle is right...

about the religious schools. Why do you think the Saudi government is cracking down on them? They are the source of the domestic terrorism that is plaguing Saudi Arabia.

[seatnineb]

17. Really?

Why would the House Of Saud fund terrorists.......who want to overthrow the House Of Saud?!

[hack89]

20. I take it you have never read Middle Eastern history?

research the deal with the devil Ibn Saud made in the 1920's to assume the throne. There is a reason why Saudi Arabia is the only Arab state where the most conservative brand Islam is the official state religion.

[seatnineb]

21. In fact I know it better than you.......

Take it from me.....Wahhibism is just a big sack of shit.

And most Saudis and Arabs know it.

But it kinda serves it's purposes as far as the corrupt House Of Saud is concerned.

It is in fact a method or an attempt of keepin' the Saudi masses under control....

Ordinary Saudis aspire to the same things anyone else does...

The freedom to choose their own leaders,equal rights for women,a fair judicial system,a fair distribution of wealth ect ect.....

Partly in thanks to Western support,the House Of Saud has deprived ordinary Saudis of all the above.......

Kinda strange dont ya think......

If you are Saudi and you criticize the House Of Saud....you are deemed to be a follower of Bin Laden!

Arabs detest the House Of Saud,Osama Bin Laden and the "Zionists".

[LARED]

25. Now we are getting somewhere

If you are Saudi and you criticize the House Of Saud....you are deemed to be a follower of Bin Laden!

Says who? I think most people think someone that criticize the House of Saud is a clear thinking person. If you do that in public in Saudi Arabia you might find yourself a clear thinking person in jail or beaten.

Arabs detest the House Of Saud,Osama Bin Laden and the "Zionists".

I think it fair to say everyone understands why Arabs detest the House of Saud and OBL, but why do they detest the "Zionist". (why is it is quotes) Perhaps a better question is why do so many in the Arab world despise the Jews?

[seatnineb]

26. House Of Saud says ordinary Saudis would vote for Bin laden!

It is the Saudi goverment themselves who imply that ordinary Saudis should not be allowed democracy because they would vote for Bin Laden!

A Saudi Intelligence survey taken in Mid October 2001 of educated proffessional Saudis between the ages of 25 and 41 concluded that 95% of them supported Bin Ladens cause.

Saudi Babylon
By Mark Hollingworth
Mainstream Publishing.
Page 215

The Zionists and the Wahhibbis are both full of shit.

Who suffers are the innocent people inbetween.....Saudis and Israelis
alike.

[LARED]

29. But aren't the innocent Israelis

Zoinists? And they suffer at the hands of Zionists?

How can this be?

[seatnineb]

34. Not according to this "Jewish" web-site.

May 1998 marked the 50th anniversary of the creation of the Zionist state called "Israel". True Torah Jews held a rally in Manhattan to demonstrate their opposition to Zionism. Several reknowned Rabbis addressed the crowd, in English and in Yiddish.

We have obtained video clips of the event and made them available for your viewing on this website.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/index.cfm

[LARED]

37. One small problem

The Torah Jews are not in Israel, your concern was about the Saudis and Israelis.

[seatnineb]

38. Judaism is a religion... not a race.

Zionism was/is effectively a political movement...using a religouse excuse to further a political goal.

BTW.....

Are there not Jews who practise the Torrah in Israel?

[sabbat hunter]

39. the "torah jews"

are a small group of jews who believe that israel is illegitimate because only god can recreate the promised land with a descentant of King David as the sole ruler. and yes there are members of this sect in israel, they are excempt from military service, do not vote in elections.

[LARED]

41. That may be true

but, you still have avoided the question

If innocent Israelis are Zionists? How do they suffer at the hands of Zionists?


Exactly what political goals are the Zionists trying to further using Judaism? The only goal I am familiar with is the goal of establishing and maintaining a state of Israel. You seem to be trying to separate Judaism from Israel in this goal. How?

[seatnineb]

42. In the words of Theodore Hertzl.

Not the first Zionist.....but the first to give Zionism some political and financial clout.

"We must expropriate gently....We shall try to spirit the penniless population(Palestinians) across the border by procuring employement in the transit country,while denying it employement in our country......both the expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly"

Diary Of Theodore Hertlz
1895.

So according to Hertzl ,Palestinians would have no right to work in Palestine....but in a "transit" country.

If that is Zionism.....then it sucks big cock.

[seatnineb]

44. Ask the Israelis.

The Zionists have already achieved their goal....that was the formation of Israel.

And they had no problem in killing fellow Jews to achieve that goal.

Remember the King David Hotel?

[LARED]

48. Why do you avoid the question all the time

You said innocent Israelis suffer at the hands of Zionists.

Well nearly all Israelis are Zionists. So how do they suffer?

Your response is to tell me a few Jews died because of Zionists (ie other Jews) in the past, yet you cannot tell me how your comment is relevant today?

Please don't post another comment from someone else I am interested in what you think?

[seatnineb]

49. Most Israelis are Zionists?.....you gotta link to that?

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55. Ok, what 's your definition of a Zionist?

The last time I checked it defines those that supports a Jewish homeland in Israel.

I don't think I need to provide a link to establish that most Israelis would be supportive of the state of Israel. 80% of Israel is Jewish.

[seatnineb]

56. Yeah and there are Muslim Arabs who are 2nd class citizens in Israel.

....despite being "declared" by Israeli law to have the same equality as Jewish Israelis(who are mostly of European stock).

It is not so much the goal of Zionism that I have a problem with:

(formation of a homeland for people of Jewish faith).

It is the way that goal was achieved:

(the displacement of a native population-the Palestinians).

[LARED]

58. So if I understand you

Arab Muslims in Israel suffer at the hands of the Zionist? Yes, no, maybe. You to have a terrible time staying on track in a discussion.

[seatnineb]

64. So why should Israeli Arabs be 2nd class citizens in their own country?

Arab Muslim Israelis incure:

Heavier prison sentences,lower wages,higher unemployement.....

...than their Jewish Israeli counterparts.

Is that not a form of suffering?

[LARED]

31. I would really appreciate an answer to my question

I think it fair to say everyone understands why Arabs detest the House of Saud and OBL, but why do they detest the "Zionist". (why is it is quotes) Perhaps a better question is why do so many in the Arab world despise the Jews?

??

[seatnineb]

35. The Palestinian problem is the only one that comes to mind. n/t

[LARED]

18. Richard Perle is in good company in his very accurate

description. Let me repost it to be clear.

Saudi-funded religious schools drill boys to memorize the Koran in its original Arabic language, a language few of them will ever understand. They learn no trade or skills, no math, no science, no Western language - only deadening rituals and murderous prejudice. <...> By the time they "graduate," they are unemployable, deformed personalities. Meanwhile, in city slums and unelectrified villages, Saudi-funded imams preach jealousy and rage to populations baffled by their country's backward slide and repeated military defeats.

I just read "Saudi Arabia Exposed" by John Bradley http://www.johnrbradley.com/ A man that would wholeheartedly agree with Richard Perle. Every objective view of Saudi Arabia that I have ever read comes to similar conclusions.

A little about him

John R. Bradley was born in England in 1970. He was educated at University College London, Dartmouth College in the United States, and Exeter College, Oxford.
He is the author of the critically acclamed, best-selling book Saudi Arabia Exposed: Inside a Kingdom in Crisis (Palgrave Macmillan, 2005, now in its fifth printing; updated paperback edition May 2006). He wrote the Iraq and Saudi Arabia chapters in The Lonely Planet Guide to the Middle East (4th ed; 2003).

A former managing editor of the Jeddah-based Arab News, Bradley was the only permanently based, fully accredited Western journalist in Saudi Arabia for two and a half years, starting from three months before 9/11. He previously worked for 18 months as a senior editor at Al-Ahram Weekly in Cairo.

Bradley has written for many publications, including the Washington Quarterly, New Republic, Times Literary Supplement, Salon, Washington Times, Economist, Newsweek International, Prospect, London Telegraph, Essays in Criticism, London Sunday Times, Straits Times, Independent, Arabian Business, and Asia Times. In addition, he filed breaking news stories and in-depth features from inside Saudi Arabia for Reuters and the Associated Press.

An Arabic speaker who has studied the language intensively at private schools in Morocco, Egypt, and Yemen, Bradley has been invited to lecture on Saudi Arabia by numerous international organizations, most recently Intelligence Squared in London, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy in Washington, D.C., and the Los-Angeles-based Pacific Council for International Affairs.

Edit

Let me also add I am friends with a man the grew up in Lebanon, spent about five years working in Saudi Arabia as an adult before migrating to America about ten years ago, and will confer the truth of the above.

[seatnineb]

22. Richard Perle in the eyes of Bush pal'...the Saudi Prince Bandar.

In the words of Prince Bandar..
"There is a split personality to Perle,” Bandar said. “Here he is, on the one hand, trying to make a hundred-million-dollar deal, and, on the other hand, there were elements of the appearance of blackmail—‘If we get in business, he’ll back off on Saudi Arabia’—as I have been informed by participants in the meeting.”

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030317fa_fact

Did not ex-CIA Vincent Cannistaro say that the House Of Saud pays of Al-Quida so that it will not attack the Kingdom!

Looks like Richard Perle is/was attempting to take the same approach that Al-Quida has done with the House Of Saud.....blackmail.

[LARED]

30. So, can I take it you and Richard Perle agree

about the house of Saud, even though you hate him.

[seatnineb]

45. No.

It is for the benefit of ordinary Saudis that I say that the House Of Saud should either reform or step down.

Richard Perle on the other hand is not interested the welfare of ordinary Saudis....he just wants more of their oil.

But he has to get past the House Of Saud to get that oil.

[LARED]

47. Wow what deep seated hatred

for Perle. You can't even bring yourself to acknowledge you and he agree about the House of Saud.

[seatnineb]

51. Perle does not care about ordinary Saudis...and you know it. n/t

[LARED]

62. I honestly don't know how Perle feels about ordinary Saudis

I would guess that even though I disagree with much of his politics, I would assume he has compassion on people subjected to mistreatment.

He dislikes the House of Saud, I do, you do, so likely rather than being the incarnation of evil, he is just a idiot conservative.

[seatnineb]

65. That is a fair point.

I have read alot about Richard Perle and I have not found anything thus far that indicates that he really cares for either Afghans,Iraqis or Saudis.

He talks strictly in terms of geo-political interests for the United States or Israel.

Fair enough...that is his job.

But when his policy involves the killing of God knows how many innocent civillians....not just once but twice(Afghanistan and Iraq)...then that indicates someone who is pretty cold and calculating.

[LARED]

13. The US / Saudi friendship is only

as deep as an average oil well.

[seatnineb]

16. Which is quite deep.......sounds like the Zionists have a grudge......

.......with that relationship:

AFTER SEPTEMBER 11, the world is slowly learning how the Saudi princes have pulled off their grafting of a high-tech cultivar onto medieval roots. It has been accomplished through bribes to clerics, cash to terrorists, welfare to the commons, and largesse to prominent Americans: money in some form to any and all who find the House of Saud either too modern or too backward. Such inducements have been indispensable because the vast wealth that Western petroleum companies developed for the royal family, plus the tourist treasures of Mecca and Medina, brought neither a stable economy nor general prosperity. The kingdom’s accidental boon was not invested broadly in viable industries, secular education, or political reform, but instead lavished on ill-conceived projects and a royal elite who consumed too much of it on luxury cars, houses, clothes, jewels, gambling, and trips abroad—sins against both Islam and Western laws of economic development.


http://www.travelbrochuregraphics.com/extra/our_enemies_the_saudis.htm

[LARED]

19. Sorry, but I'm not good at connecting dots

about a supposed Zionist grudge with the Saudi's inability to govern effectively.

[seatnineb]

23. I like the way you phrased that....a " supposed Zionist grudge".

Here...let me clarify it for you:

Saudi Arabia is "active at every level of the terror chain, from planners to financiers, from cadre to foot-soldier, from ideologist to cheerleader."He(Laurent Murawiec) said the United States should "target" Saudi Arabia's oil, financial holdings, and even its "holy places" unless the country stamped out anti-U.S. and anti-Israel writings, stopped funding fundamentalist mosques, and prosecuted or isolated "those involved in the terror chain, including in the Saudi intelligence services."

http://slate.msn.com/id/2070190/

I like the way Perle,Rumsfeld and the Rand Corporation slimily tried to distance themselves from Laurent Murawiec after the presentation was made.....

Even though everyone knows that Perle would dearly love to "target" Saudi oil....

[LARED]

24. You need to pick a position and stick with it

Or at least explain yourself using more than a line or two of cryptic rhetoric

First you tell me there is a Zionist grudge. Can you explain what you mean by that? Then you post something that actually shows the supposed Zionists distancing themselves from someone saying embarrassing stuff about Saudi Arabia and that's a problem as well.

I don't get it. You know the House of Saud and the Wahhabis allows, and most likely encourages terrorism to be exported against Israel and Western targets. Yet you seem mystified that the "Zionist" are not cheering them on.

[seatnineb]

27. The Zionists have a grudge because the Saudis have the oil.

That is why Richard Perle said the following:

In the last chapter, we argued that we should apply every possible pressure to halt Saudi Arabia's campaign to spread its murderous version of Islam - including, if necessary, encouraging the secession of the kingdom's oil-producing Eastern Province.

An End to Evil.
By Richard Perle.
Page 152

That kind of talk demonstrates that fuckers like Perle don't give a shit about the welfare of ordinary Saudis......all he cares about is getting his hands on that oil.

[LARED]

28. One could easily surmise that

the ordinary Saudis would be far better off if they seceded from the House of Saud's corrupt intolerant oppressive rule. How is that a grudge?

[seatnineb]

32. Are you seriouse?

The same way Afghans and Iraqis seceded from the tyranical Taliban and Baath parties respectively!?

How many innocent lives are lost when Perle's "secessions" take place.

Oh yeah...we don't keep a count of civillian deaths.

[LARED]

33. When you live under tyranny the choices tend to be pretty

grim.

So if there was a secession who do you blame?

The Saudis or the Zionist?

Inquiring minds are dying to know.

[seatnineb]

36. And who were those Tyrannical regimes dealin' with..............

Israel's intelligence agency Mossad developed a dialogue with the Taliban through the liason offices in the USA and with the oil companies.Pakistan's ISI supported the dialogue .Even though Pakistan did not recognize Israel ,the ISI had developed links with the Mosaad through the CIA during the Afgan jihad.

Taliban

Islam,Oil And The Great New Game In Central Asia.

By Ahmed Rashid

Published in 2000

Page 154.


And was not Saddam Hussein a CIA recruit who was used to counter the growing communist movement in Iraq in the 50's and 60's.

[LARED]

40. Well that is fascinating, but what does it have to do

with the corrupt regime in Saudi Arabia? Or Zionism, or exported terrorism, or secession

Staying on track seem quite the challenge for you?

[seatnineb]

43. Everything...and you know it.

The Taliban were hated by Afghans and Muslims in general.

And then Mossad goes and deals with the Taliban.

And then you wonder why Arabs despise "Jews"

[LARED]

46. Nice try.

It is interesting how you spin history so that Arabs hate Jews because Mossad help the Tailban.

The Taliban worked with Mossad when they were fighting the USSR about twenty years ago through the CIA and ISI. That become common knowledge only within the last few years.

Did you get your history lessons in Saudi Arabia by any chance?

[seatnineb]

50. There was no Taliban when the USSR fought the Mujahadeen.

Do you get any history lessons at all?

[LARED]

52. You can do better than that

The Mujahadeen became the Taliban. YOu know that. Do'nt you?

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

[seatnineb]

53. Wrong.

Most of the Taliban's leaders were educated in Pakistan, in refugee camps where they had fled with millions of other Afghans after the Soviet invasion.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

You can't even bring yourself to deal with the fact that Mossad dealt with fuckers like the Taliban.

[sabbat hunter]

60. the leaders

may have been educated in pakistan, but the main force of the taliban evolved out of the mujaadin.

[seatnineb]

63. Mossad dealt with the Taliban and Northern alliance.

.......until the late 1990's.

[sabbat hunter]

54. just because

the saudi government is anti israel doesnt mean it cant be friends with america. and i think that is just the 'offical' line of the saudi government to be anti israel. privately they probably accept israel as a fact and that isnt going to change.

imho the saudi government supports waahbism becuase it helps them control the citizens, but also regret it to a point because of the extravagant lives the royal family leads.

the saud family is in a bad catch 22 situation.

[seatnineb]

57. Israel imports oil from Norway,the U.K, Mexico and Egypt.

Then it is no wonder that neo-con hardliners like Richard Perle sympathetic to Israel would dearly love to appropriate Saudi oil...directly.

And that is one reason why the Arab streets are "anti-semetic" towards Israel.

[sabbat hunter]

59. imports oil

mainly from russia, turkey, the UK, australia, columbia and south africa.

[seatnineb]

61. Sorry...updated my own message when I found out myself!