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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:31 AM
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Silverstein's lame excuse for saying, "Pull it."_Re: collapse of WTC #7...
This is most likely a redo, but fascinating none the less...



Silverstein Answers WTC Building 7 Charges


(Silverstein) Says 'pull it' meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building.


Paul Joseph Watson | January 5 2006

After nearly two years of steadfast silence, Silverstein Properties have finally responded to questions about what Larry Silverstein meant when he told a PBS documentary that WTC Building 7 was "pulled" in the late afternoon of September 11 2001.

Building 7 occupied a city block immediately north of the World Trade Center complex. Photos taken minutes before its collapse show small fires on two or three floors. Building 7 became only the third steel building in history before or since 9/11 to collapse from fire damage. The other two were the North and South towers of the World Trade Center.

Any building that was not owned by Silverstein Properties strangely remained upright.
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Much more here-- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswers.htm
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...and plenty more here -- http://www.explosive911analysis.com



<snip>...the lease holder of the WTC complex, Larry Silverstein (who purchased the complex only 6 weeks prior to 9/11) apparently admits to "pulling" (industry jargon for a controlled demolition of a structure) WTC 7 on 9/11/2001, in the following statement aired during a PBS documentary in September 2002 entitled "America Rebuilds":

(Silverstein) "I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, "We've had such terrible loss of life that the smartest thing to do is just pull it." And they made that decision to pull it and we watched the building collapse."<snip>









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TruthStream_dot_org Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:59 AM
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1. This scumbag
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 02:59 AM by TruthStream_dot_org
will burn in hell if there is one. He still doesn't explain how it came down in a perfect symetrical implosion from only a few isolated fires. Building 7 was their fatal mistake. If they had left it alone I think I'd still be falling for this scam.

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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:08 AM
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2. Your post lacks the ring of truth... n/t
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DemonGoddess Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 04:33 AM
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7. I'd find a different hosting company than
godaddy. :puke:
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:21 AM
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3. Such horseshit.
This is a laughable excuse.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:29 AM
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4. Yes it is...
So what's the inevitable conclusion?

If Silverstein had the power to "pull" WTC #7 on 911; how unlikely is it that the other buildings he leased (trade towers) weren't pulled as well?
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:34 AM
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5. You don't have to convince me dude.
I've been of the opinion that the PNAC neo-cons planned and executed 9/11 for a long time now.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 03:56 AM
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6. Some people have tried to claim that the term "pull it" means
Edited on Mon Feb-13-06 04:03 AM by file83
to "pull the fire fighting effort" out of the building ("it"). There is no standard terminology apparently, not only regionally, but from district to district. So, some claim it "could" mean that.

I have several problems with this theory that "pull it" means "pull out the fire fighters".

The sentence that Larry uses, "they made the decision to pull it and we watched the building collapse," it's like saying, "they made the decision to go bowling, so we went bowling." So casual it's absurd. Wouldn't that be a major shocker that it did fall? Wouldn't he say something along the lines of "what a lucky decision that was to pull the firefighters out! We didn't expect it to collapse! That shocked us all."

It also implies a cause and effect. He says that it collapsed in such a casual manner, as if they weren't surprised, almost like they knew it would happen, which matches his fatalistic (deterministic?) previous sentence "We've had such terrible loss of life that the smartest thing to do is just pull it." How would he know that pulling out the firefighters was the "smartest" thing to do? The building had not been hit by a plane and had only minor fires - they had NO REASON to assume it would collapse. Letting it continue to burn could cause other hazards to the public and nearbye structures. The fire could spread. Even if they thought it would collapse (again - they had no reason to) if they let it burn that could be VERY dangerous. How did they know it would collapse in such a perfect fashion and not fall into the buildings next to it? There would be a major lawsuit if they neglected to put out the fire and then it destroyed other structures and/or killed people.

So, there is no way they could have come to the conclusion that letting it burn was a good idea. So, they had to know it was going to collapse - which means that "pull it" meant "demolish it".

So, as I argue, when he says "pull it" - it doesn't really matter which way you interpret it. Whether it means "pull the fire fighters out" or it means "demolish it" - they both lead to the conclusion that they "knew" it would come down. That means they MIHOP. They MIHOPed all day long on Sept 11, 2001.
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burnage Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:11 AM
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8. Indira Singh - "we’re gonna have to bring it down"
in the context of what "lucky larry" was saying it's difficult to believe that he meant something other than "demolish".

during an interview with Bonnie Faulkner last year, Indira Singh said that the fire department told her around midday on 9/11 that they were going to bring building 7 down....

(full audio and transcript here: http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/11292/Indira_Singh_Ground_Zero_911_Blueprint_For_Terror_Part_One)

BF: How long then, did you work as an EMT and what is it that you were doing?

IS: Well, there was so much chaos Bonnie....when I got there we were setting up triage sites very close to the area, the triage site that I was setting up was....to the East of Building 7, where Building 7 came down, and what we were expecting....as an EMT you’re trained for live survivors....and there were people on the pile, digging and looking for survivors, and what happened is, they would bring someone out to the nearest triage center, we would stabilize them, put them in an ambulance and send them further uptown.

So we were setting up triage as close to the pile as possible....on it, in many cases. So what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations, IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations....just trying to have an organized space.

What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon after noon, after midday on 9/11, we had to evacuate that because they told us that Building 7 was coming down.

If you had been there, not being able to see very much, just flames everywhere and dark smoke, it is entirely possible....I do believe that they brought Building 7 down because I heard that they were going to bring it down, because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage.

That I don’t know, I can’t attest to the validity of that, all I can attest to is that by noon or one o’clock, they told us we had to move from that triage site, up to Pace University a little further away, because Building 7 was gonna come down, or being brought down.

BF: Did they actually use the words brought down, and who was it that was telling you this?

IS: The Fire Department, the Fire Department, and they did use the word, we’re gonna have to bring it down. And, for us, there observing the nature of the devastation it made total sense to us that this was indeed a possibility.

Given the subsequent controversy over it, I don’t know. I’m not an engineer, all I know is that was my experience. We backed off a little bit to Pace University, there was another panic around 4 o’clock because, they were bringing the building down, and people seemed to know this ahead of time, so people were panicking again and running....I went back to One Liberty, which was further south of where I was before and there were triage sites set up in there....we were treating basically people who were on the pile digging for survivors, if there were any.

And it was basically chaos. I asked who was in charge for instance, because I supposed to check in with whoever was in charge, and no one seemed to know. It was complete and utter chaos there, if there was someone in charge....the normal response units around for a multi-casualty incident, they didn’t know.

One of the big problems is that so many people in the Fire Dept and in the Police Dept at a high level had been already killed. There was complete and utter shock and disbelief and they were still trying to sort out the details.

BF: I know you certainly weren’t concentrating on this, but did you happen to notice any fires in WTC7?

IS: Yes....I think there was, I couldn’t get close enough because of the smoke I couldn’t really tell where the fires where coming from, I didn’t have a bird’s eye view, I was down on the ground and there was all this rubble and devastation around me. If someone told me there was a fire in Building 7 I would have likely believed it simply because there were fires everywhere, there were fires because there was so much paper, and litter on the streets, for hundreds of yards around, there were fires everywhere, it was confetti, sort of like a ticker-tape parade. As if someone on the street set fire to a ticker-tape parade. It would all burn, in a line, so there were just flames everywhere.
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thewormman Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 08:18 AM
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9. Alex Jones comments
Linked from this on prison planet is an excerpt from Alex Jones' film, 9/11 Martial Law: Rise of the Police State. He states:

"Then you have the firefighters telling associated press reporters to get back, to get away from the building, that building seven was about to come down and then it magically did come down"

Surely if this were true it would be a story to be shouting from the roof tops, it implies firefighters were told it is about to come down? If it was due to the fire no-one would know that.

So maybe they were gagged but what about the reporters?

Where are they and why are they so quiet?

If Mr Jones "knows" this was said then he must know someone the firemen talked to, or was it already secondhand information and hearsay?

People saying things like this without factual proof is what is used to tarnish a lot of good information.

If he accusing Silverstein of something this huge with all its implications he needs to back it up with facts and witnesses or be in danger of being discredited as a crackpot.

JMHO of course
:)
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killtown Donating Member (575 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:04 PM
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10. Yep, the coincidence that all of Larry's building's
were destroyed and no other buildings (except that ugly little Greek church) is just too hard to believe it was just a coincidence.

I mean just look how the 7 fell. It was a PERFECT implosion. Just ask LARED!
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 01:06 PM
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11. facts
well they cant even get it striaght that silverstein didnt own the complex but ran it under a 99 year lease is telling.


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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 02:47 PM
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12. it versus them
to me:

"pull it" would indicate an inanimate object, i.e., the building

"pull them" would indicate human beings/firefighters (something like "we decided to pull them


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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:55 AM
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13. PBS Video Clip of Silverstein's statement...
"I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, "We've had such terrible loss of life that the smartest thing to do is just pull it." And they made that decision to pull (it) and we watched the building collapse."

http://www.libertythink.com/totalinformation/WTC7.rm
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:11 AM
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14. Response...
???
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:14 PM
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15. peter frank..there are true 911 hunters,(you,me,Kil) and the true
911 debunker's who try as hard to discredit every shred of evidence that disproves the "ludicrous" 911 report
like that poseur who thinks Alex Jones speaks out of his ass..I spent the day here and found to my delight quite a few legit people who strongly believe LIHOP/MIHOP and some foolish people who shouldn't be here at all
While I was aware of silverstein's comments its always good to keep it alive and keep any newbies here interested. I am saddened this Sept.11 forum is off the beaten path (GD,LBN) but it will have to suffice. With talented people and 911 hunters searching daily I just know we will expose this crime family for the murderers they are.
Good to meet up with you..


DEM
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:17 AM
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16. Thanks DEM - The 911 report contains enough true facts to make it...
...plausable to the surface skimmers; but is this report any less of a conspiracy theory to those who simply can't ignore other incontrovertible facts?

I am fiercely patriotic! I don't care who messes with our Constitutional makeup, as long as they're held accountable to the self same founding document, at the end of the (hopefully short) day.
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