Hey Debunkers. Take the $10,000 challenge!

[Twist_U_Up]

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/04/take-10000-challenge.html

For those of you who still think Hani Hanjour -- or any of the other alleged hijackers -- crashed Flight 77 into the Pentagon, here's a challenge for you:


Go to a flight school that has a simulator for a Boeing 757 with simulated terrain. Have the flight instructors take off at or near Dulles airport and fly the 757 out near the Ohio/Kentucky border where Hanjour and his gang of merry thugs took over the plane.

Then you will take over the controls by yourself...

...and turn the plane around and head back towards the D.C. area and try to crash into the Pentagon any place you wish. You can hit it from the side, from the top, or where ever. It doesn’t matter where you hit it as long as some part of the plane touches the building, even if it’s just the tip of the wing.

Now here’s the catch, since Hani Hanjour was on a suicide mission, you have only ONE chance to commandeer the 757 into the Pentagon and since it’s hard to simulate the feelings of knowing you are going to die soon from crashing your plane into your intended target, you have to bet the flight school $10,000 that you can do it in ONE try. Oh, and you have to be going over 500mph the entire time.

Think you could do it knowing you might lose $10,000 of your own money? Still think Hani Hanjour could have flown the plane into the Pentagon?


Put your money where your mouth is
and take the $10,000 challenge!

9-11 victims funeral

[MercutioATC]

1. Who's paying off on this? You?

Verify the funds. I know of a commercial pilot here who has access to simulators. As soon as the funds from both sides are in escrow, we'll test your little proposal.

Are YOU ready to take the $10,000 challenge?

[SidDithers]

2. I remember that...

There was a DU'er here willing to take the test as long as killtown put up $10,000 of his own money.

But alas, killtown now sleeps with the fishes (metaphorically speaking), while the really high quality posters just stay on and on.

Sid

[MercutioATC]

3. Ahhh, but this is a relatively fresh challenge.

I'm just trying to determine of the gonads live up to the vocal cords.

I haven't been to this corner of DU in a while...killtown really sleeps with the fishes?? Interesting.

[Jazz2006]

4. Same old "challenge" and yes, he is indeed

sleeping with the fishes...metaphorically speaking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=81188

[Jazz2006]

5. Late edit.

I remember that "killtown challenge" thread from early April quite well because it is the same thread in which I was leapt on and attacked by another poster here for no apparent reason when I was very new to this site and to this forum (her attack posts were deleted, as were those of a couple others who piled on, but it was very bizarre for someone new to DU to be the brunt of such strange, misguided, and off the wall accusations out of nowhere).

Oh well. I'm still here and loving DU for the vast array of fora, groups, and topics of discussion that it offers on a myriad of topics, and for the numerous fora and threads that I read and/or post in.

And the "challenge" is still a non-challenge.

:D

[MercutioATC]

7. As I said, I've been staying away from the 9/11 Forum...I hadn't seen it.

And you're right. It's not a challenge. Saying "Go make a $10,000 bet with somebody else" (if you can find anybody stupid enough to take the bet) is hardly a "challenge".

[Jazz2006]

8. Exactly.

But it's typical of tinhat conspiracy theory sites to make ridiculous claims, to pretend that X is Y, to distort and dissemble, to twist obvious facts into irrecognizable distortions, etc. so publishing a "challenge" that is not by any stretch of the imagination a challenge isn't really surprising, considering the source.

I'd love to see the OP respond to your posts above and I'd love to see the new incarnation of killtown respond as well, but I doubt that the "challenger's" "gonads live up to his vocal chords" as you so eloquently put it :D

Btw, I don't blame you in the least for staying away from the 9/11 forum for a while. I have read the archives and noticed that you have been here for quite some time and took a fair amount of abuse along the way for the *crime* of being rational, reasonable, and factual, much to the conspiracy theorists' chagrin.


Cheers, Jazz.

[Americus]

9. Are you disappointed that M-atc seems uninterested in the substance?

C'mon, you know it bothers you that not one of the OCT'ers will even TALK about the substance of this thread. Don't you agree that though they can't or won't admit it, the truth is - they know the awful truth, too: "Hani's" alleged magical flight can't even be reproduced on a simulator. Speaking of simulators, I read/heard somewhere that in MS Flight Simulator, you can make planes melt into buildings just like what happened at the WTC. With MS Flight Simulator, you really CAN'T believe it's not butter.

[Jazz2006]

10. Hardly.

As should be obvious to anyone reading the thread - even you - it's the tinhatters who are avoiding the thread and who are not addressing the ridiculousness of the opening post. It's not rational people (including Mercutio) who are avoiding it.

That said, I frankly do not blame conspiracy theorists for ignoring it. It seems that even the vast majority of conspiracy theorists realize that the alleged "challenge" is patently absurd and is not a "challenge" at all. As does anyone else of any persuasion with two or more arcing brain cells.

Disclaimer: Despite the fact that I've responded to your post, "Americus", this should not be taken as any acknowledgment that your posts are worthy of response since they usually are not. The only reason I'm responding to this one is because you invoked my post to criticize another poster, and not because your post has any merit.

[Americus]

12. Substance is hardly the forte of OCT Spin Doctors and their ilk

I'm frankly very surprised that none of the OCT Brigade has the cajones to try and refute the notion that it was even POSSIBLE to do what "Hani" is alleged to done.

Huge amounts of hot air on every thread are not very impressive. It's a huge red flag that says "I can't refute the substance, so I'll blow some more smoke".

[SidDithers]

6. Ahh, that was you, Jazz...

who was willing to take the challenge. I didn't go back into the archives to find the original thread, and didn't remember which DU'er it was.

Good job, indeed. :toast:

(oh, damn, I used "indeed" in a post, I've once again blown my cover)

Sid

[Jazz2006]

11. Indeed.

All this indeeding is surely blowing my cover, too.

But hey, with all of the overtime pay that we're racking up as "paid shills", what the hell, we can afford to be a little generous.

:rofl:


:toast:

[MervinFerd]

13. Us Paid Shills could get the NSA to put up the money.

Then we could get a -real- pilot as a ringer to take the test.

OTOH, the real pilots don't seem to think crashing a plane is really all that hard.

Me, I always crashed the Cesna in Flight Simulator.

[AZCat]

14. I used to work at a flight simulator company.

They had full motion simulators (Classes C & D for those of you "in the know") and I would always feel stupid when I did something like drag the tail when rotating during takeoff.

[Americus]

15. Did you ever try to replicate Hani's alleged piloting skills? n/t

n/t

[AZCat]

16. No, there are limitations

Even if we'd had the Washington area mapped, the more complex simulators are designed to simulate the cockpit environment as closely as possible and wouldn't be the same as a 767 cockpit (nor would the flight characteristics be the same). You'd have to go to one of the flight simulation centers that actually had simulators for that "type" in order to get a realistic experience, and most (if not all) of those are run by the airlines that use those aircraft. Besides, flying an "RJ" is nothing like flying a narrow body like a 767. The original Learjet was based on a Swedish(?) fighter jet design and some of them are a real joy to fly - the LR-35 (and variants) is pretty fun for example.

A DUer here (I think Old And In The Way, but I could be wrong) tried it using one of the versions of Microsoft Flight Simulator and managed to do it, but it took him a couple of tries.