help me list 50 repub dirty tricks in this election

[NMDemDist2]

i need some help backing my play on a local board, i (foolishly) said that I would name 3 repub dirty tricks for every one they mentioned and got hit with this list:

> 1) Most ads by Move on.org.
> 2) The Republicans are bringing back a draft!
> 3) Bush lied
> 4) Michael Moore drivel
> 5) Bush was AWOL
> 6) We have documentation that Bush was given favored treatment
> 7) Bush will take away social security
> 8) Barbara Bush sold pot
> 9) Bush did coke at camp david
> 10) Bush knew about 911
> 11) Bush was in with the Saudi's after 911
> 12) Bush is keeping Osama on ice until right before the
> election
> 13) Australia's support for Bush led to the bombing of the Bali
> night clubs.
> 14) Bush's adminstration black leaders were uncle tom's
> 15) Bush's allies are bribed and coerced.


i answered "when you show me Democratic Party or Kerry quotes I will answer them. Kerry and the Democrats aren't responsible for Kitty Kelly or M Moore or bloggers"

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. Here's some.

1. Polier aborted "intern-gate" smear.
2. Swift Vets. 'Nuff said.
3. Planted memos/memogate.
4. Parlock "little girl/torn sign".

[MatrixEscape]

2. On point five:

You could argue that Bush was a deserter, actually.

[mitchtv]

3. Orange Alert, the day after the Dem convention

with two year old info, Some pre 9/11

[MatrixEscape]

4. The biggest trick of all to me:

The Wolfowitz Doctrine ---> PNAC.

That is the oil in the gears and the inspiration behind most of what is going on now. It has been successfully covered up to the larger public and it is the biggest trick that has ever been played on any populace in history, most likely. It is reprehensible.

It leads to inspiration of fear versus bravery in the populace as a reaction to terraism. If Ghandi and King had resorted to that, their followers would have accomplished nothing. They were strong leaders who inspired strength and fearlessness in their followers.

Instead, we have a Government that demands we actually respond to terra with our own inner terra, like timid mice who need someone to protect us.

Thomas Jefferson would puke if he saw America falling for a propaganda campaign that is a dark cloud over the Country and a pox to the World. That's what our Forefathers had in mind AT ALL.

[teach1st]

5. Outing Plame

[mitchtv]

6. Florida state police investigate elderly activists for foter fraud

reject voter registrations for technicalities

[NMDemDist2]

7. excellent all, any more?? n/t

[mitchtv]

8. attempt to reject Ohio voter registration cards

for being on the wrong quality of paper.

[captain disgruntled]

9. Ummm,

issuing the "YOUR INFANT CHILDREN IN DIRE HAZARD AT OUR FREEDOM-LOVING SCHOOLS" 'alert' the day after the release of the Deulfer (sp?) report?

[teach1st]

Readjusting published costs

IE, cost of Medicare program from $400 to $540 billion (ten years)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/bush.budget.ap/

[TrustingDog]

10. repug corporate ties to voting machinery.

[teach1st]

11. Removal of names from Florida's felon list

Disenfranchisement by Bush's Florida's campaign manager.

[captain disgruntled]

13. Financing Nader's

candidacy

[teach1st]

14. Oops. That was last election...

..at least the part about "Bush's campaign manager." They're still trying to wash the names away.

[shraby]

16. Having the party affiliation printed

on the outside of the absentee ballot return envelope?

[teach1st]

12. "Major speech" after debate I was really a stump speech

Got Bush free air time on the majors.

[Cats Against Frist]

31. Yeah -- the mulligan. Though more "pathetic" than dirty.

But still dirty.

[Shoeempress]

15. Michigan GOP asked DAs to charge MM with bribing voters for

handing out underwear & ramen noodles on Slacker tour. Ohio Blackwell refusing to register voters who's voter cards are not on 80Lb stock. Bush wearing wire dung 1st debate. (Granted, Questionable) Swift Boat liars, Fake memos released to Rather which calls story into doubt despite Ben Barnes.

[teach1st]

17. Delaying physical until after the elections

[BlackVelvetElvis]

18. The RNC telling some WV voters that the Bible would be banned

under a Kerry administration.

[shraby]

19. Using actors to promote the

prescription medicine bill.

[William Seger]

39. And same thing now with education bill

[Maddy McCall]

20. Putting plants at Kerry-Edwards events to stage violent reactions

from K-E supporters. Namely, the guy at the Edwards event who hadhis son tear up his 3-yr-old daughter's Bush sign--the guy with a history of provoking Dems. Even his own homefolks said he is an asshole who lives to do this kind of stuff.

[shraby]

22. The staged event of

bringing down the Saddam statue in Iraq.
The heroic rescue of the female soldier from the Iraqi hospital as well as all the stories of how brave she was before capture.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

35. Parlock was his name-O

[Maddy McCall]

38. Mayberry, THANKS.

That name escaped me. :-)

[Maddy McCall]

41. Ken Lay.

[teach1st]

21. Delaying discussion of Civil Rights policy until after election

[teach1st]

23. Richard Clarke smears

[teach1st]

24. NASA releasing photos of Kerry in space suit

[louis-t]

25. Here are a few more

Florida's phony "Felons List" (2000 and attempted 2004)
Jamming of phone lines at call center for rides to polls (2002 edition)
2000 Miami Recount Rethug Rioters, fer chrissake.
Timeline showing * #'s down=terror alerts up.
Soon-to-be: Sinclair backed story on Kerry as "news" forced on stations right before election.
Medicare reform cost underestimated to get Repub votes.
Valerie Plaime-'nuff said
Pappageorge admission that to win, GOP must "suppress the Detroit vote"
Constantly inflating jobs #'s only to reduce them quietly a month later
Terror alert as DNC began
Terror alert to schools right before 2nd debate
Texas re-redistricting

[teach1st]

26. Faked photo: Kerry and Jane Fonda

[July]

27. Here's my list.

Botox accusation.

Man-tan.

Fake bimbo eruption ("intern").

Swift smears.

Kerry shouldn't take communion.

Repub senators denouncing Kerry on Senate floor.

John and Teresa run Heinz corp. and outsource.

He looks French (even senators making this trivial comment).

Kerry was disrespectful to Reagan.

That's off the top of my head, I'm sure we'll all think of many more.

[William Seger]

28. Photoshopped picture of Kerry with "Hanoi Jane"

[Cats Against Frist]

29. Oh, Lordy

Using gay marriage to drive GOP voters out to the polls, as well as rush the issue through the House and Senate, so they could get Dems on Record.

Purple-heart band-aids

Tie any criticism of Bush + Saudis to "Michael Moore propaganda"

Manipulating poor, delusional Zell Miller

Planting Kerry-intern story

Letting Assault Weapons Ban expire (though I sort of agree)

Adding on "Saddam responsible for terror" passage in the act of rememberance for 9-11 families.

Uh -- "Rathergate"

Milking the Reagan funeral -- and not letting Clinton speak.



Of course the numerous distortions, lies, cries of foul, insinuations, smears, hate screeds, ridiculing of Kerry and Democrats, and capitalizing upon the minds of dull, impressional voters with "Orwell in Overdrive" talking points.

[louis-t]

30. Ahhh, one more

The infamous 2hr., 51 min. roll call extension in the House!
edit: this one, let Edwards rush back from campaigning to vote on an issue, then cancel the vote, then accuse him of not showing up!

[NMDemDist2]

32. they are watching this thread ROFL

Re: Kerry "most liberal senator"
Author:
Date: 10-10-04 13:22

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1029607

AZDemDist6 (1000+ posts) Sun Oct-10-04 03:39 PM
Original message
help me list 50 repub dirty tricks in this election


i need some help backing my play on a local board, i (foolishly) said that I would name 3 repub dirty tricks for every one they mentioned and got hit with this list:

> 1) Most ads by Move on.org.
> 2) The Republicans are bringing back a draft!
> 3) Bush lied
> 4) Michael Moore drivel
> 5) Bush was AWOL
> 6) We have documentation that Bush was given favored treatment
> 7) Bush will take away social security
> 8) Barbara Bush sold pot
> 9) Bush did coke at camp david
> 10) Bush knew about 911
> 11) Bush was in with the Saudi's after 911
> 12) Bush is keeping Osama on ice until right before the
> election
> 13) Australia's support for Bush led to the bombing of the Bali
> night clubs.
> 14) Bush's adminstration black leaders were uncle tom's
> 15) Bush's allies are bribed and coerced.


i answered "when you show me Democratic Party or Kerry quotes I will answer them. Kerry and the Democrats aren't responsible for Kitty Kelly or M Moore or bloggers"



_____________________


Note how AzDem limits Zephyrr to "Democratic Party or Kerry quotes", but he and his fellow DUers put themselves under no such limitations and are trying to throw in everything but the kitchen sink.


http://www.azcentral.com/phorum/read.php?f=13&i=17484&t=17484&phorum_uriauth=

[Cats Against Frist]

34. The AZ people gave me a good idea

Claiming Kerry is the "most liberal senator."

[teach1st]

44. Hi, freepers!

You've got to admit, your guy is better at dirty tricks.

[NMDemDist2]

46. LOL we are so nice to our visitors aren't we?

:hi: visitors

[F.Gordon]

56. Ask JeffinSurprise if he is capable of thinking for himself

http://www.martydee.com/poligov/archives/002776.html

[William Seger]

33. Kerry brought "cheat sheet" to first debate

[William Seger]

36. Drudges's "mystery woman" intern rumors

[teach1st]

42. I forgot all about that

N/T

[Cats Against Frist]

37. Duh-- Claiming Bush is a "Rancher"

And releasing all kinds of press releases, making him look like some kind of tough guy --

the tough guy with the French tailor.

Oh yeah -- can we count "freedom fries" and tying Kerry to their already childish and petty indictments of France?

[William Seger]

40. Smears against Terresa (Heinz outsourcing, dontating to "terrorists")

[Cats Against Frist]

43. Cheney

telling people Hussein was connected with al-Qaeda

telling people that electing John Kerry would mean certain terrorist attack

[KayLaw]

45. 2 Completely false Fox stories

Meterosexual garbage. I have no proof, but feel suspicious about the stolen computers, snatched B/C sign, Rathergate, and " wired " Bush.

[William Seger]

47. Purple Heart Band-aids

[William Seger]

48. "Communists for Kerry"

[NMDemDist2]

49. you guys ROCK

hopefully the folks on the AZ forum are coming by to "bust me" some more hehehe :evilgrin:

[Cats Against Frist]

50. Lifting the "false dilemma" and the "ad hominem" to artistic levels

false dilemmas:

You can't vote for John Kerry and support the troops.

If you want to support our troops, you should stand behind the president,"

You can't get our allies to join the "wrong war, at the wrong place, at the wrong time."

Questioning the war is sure to demoralize our troops.

Kerry is a traitor, because he spoke out against the Vietnam war.

Kerry will invite another terrorist attack

If Kerry had been president, Saddam Hussein would still be in power.

You shouldn't change horses in mid-stream.

*****

And we're all familiar with their "ad hominem" attacks: Kerry is French, a Flip Flopper, his wife gives to terrorists, etc. -- many are mentioned above.

But the GOP is the master of a different kind of ad hominem attack -- one that attacks the vehicle or delivery or timing of a message. It's sort of a "rules of discourse thing." It allows them to attack the mode by which the message is delivered, rather than a BLATANT ad hominem attack, which, although they do, anyway, would be much more shrill if that's all they relied upon. To wit:

The Dean Scream and Al "Unhinged" Gore -- passion is wild-eyed, anger is lying. (I'm actually glad the Dems capitalized on this with Bush in the debates -- it's about damn time -- this is one of their favorites.)

Of course -- Rathergate.

The "liberal" media.

"Don't criticize Reagan, because he just died."

"Your criticism is demoralizing our troops." (both a false delimma and ad hominem, depending on how it's used.)

Ripping on "Hollywood" actors that give political messages.

"How dare you criticize Allawi (sp)."


These are dirty, dirty. Of course neither their own constituents, nor most of the populace realizes that these are logical fallacies.

[NMDemDist2]

51. excellent post Cats thanks n/t

[IronLionZion]

52. sponsoring the PA absentee ballot applications

I think it's great that the GOP paid for my ballot application and encouraged me to vote. But I'm still voting for Kerry bwahahaha!

And they stole my email address and mailing address from the elections office and are sending me spam. The Democrats don't do this for some reason.

[against all enemies]

53. Why grant them these 15 items as dirty tricks? All are true.

You have already lost the debate by letting them define the democrat"s "dirty tricks". You aren't doing anyone here a favor by allowing their list.

[NMDemDist2]

54. they will know that when they come here and read this list

and i did answer "i answered "when you show me Democratic Party or Kerry quotes I will answer them. Kerry and the Democrats aren't responsible for Kitty Kelly or M Moore or bloggers"

i don't want to get bogged down in he said/she said i just wanted to make the point the Dems haven't done any dirty tricks and so far no one has named one

i do take your point however

[NMDemDist2]

55. update here's the latest

Author: crockspot
Date: 10-10-04 15:07

what "dirty tricks" have been listed?

Jeebus, woman, get yourself checked for Altzheimer's. The original 15 listed above you dismissed as Kitty Kelley etc., but only a few of them fall into that category. Unless you count Howard Dean, Al Gore, and other prominent Dims as "bloggers". Kerry and Edwards have themselves been pushing the draft bull, even though the only legislative action was sponsored by Democrats, and co-sponsored by the most liberal dirty dozen dims in Congress. I gave you a few, as well as a link to very dirty tricks that DUers advocate.

Arguing with you is pointless. You're a typical DUer. Blind, deaf, and dumb.

I'm heading back to my home board now. Oh, BTW, you're invited to CU too, if you can handle it. But you won't get away with the spinning and stalling that you seem to get away with here. We won't ban you, but we won't pull any punches either. When you leave CU, it will be of your own volition, probably with hands to head, and screaming.

Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead.

and my response

Author: AzDem
Date: 10-10-04 15:15

i'm not here to do their research for them. if they wanted a response they should have listed sources (like I do when rebutting RW BS)

re CU I have an account over there and you're right, I quit going there because of idiots who spout the party line with nothing to back them up. Have things changed?

Jeff will be a wonderful addition to your community since he doesn't back his play with sources either

nice of you to drop by...

[crispini]

57. Oi, Christmas. at least HALF of that list is TRUE, not smears

> 2) The Republicans are bringing back a draft!
Yeah, re-elect King George and see what you get

> 3) Bush lied
DUH!

> 5) Bush was AWOL
Again, DUH!

> 10) Bush knew about 911
Let's hope so. Oh, you mean BEFOREHAND? Well, considering the PDB the DAY BEFORE that he DIDN'T READ ....

> 11) Bush was in with the Saudi's after 911
The Bush family ties to the Saudis are legendary, easy to find, easily documented and provable even by the so-called mainstream press.

> 15) Bush's allies are bribed and coerced.
Um, let's take Poland for an example. Can you say FREE FIGHTER JETS? To the tune of $3.8 billion? I thought you could.

Google, it's non-partisan, Freeps! You can use it too! :hi:

[NMDemDist2]

58. thanks for your help all, I added a few to my final list we forgot

Author: AzDem
Date: 10-10-04 17:35

sigh, I just spent 30 minutes typing a long list of GOP dirty tricks and my puter crashed (no doubt under the load of crap)

but i'll do my best to recreate the list

character assassination

Joe Wilson
Scott Ritter
Richard Clark
Siebel Edmunds
General Shinseki
George Tenet
Paul ONeill


Delay keeping the Medicare vote open 3 hours in the middle of the night and threatening lawmakers for a vote

threatening the medicare actuary with his job if he told congress the true cost of the Medicare bill before the vote

increased terror alerts to steal the news cycle ( 2 examples are: the orange alert right after the Dem convention based on two year old info while outing a mole in alQaeda at the same time and the release of "school alerts" just when the CIA report on WMD's was released)

signing up new citizens after the swearing in ceremony with forms pre marked "republican"

using technology to cram phone lines used by Democratic voters to call for a ride to the polls in several towns in NH

keeping peaceful protestors in custody without charges for over 72 hours in spite of court order for their release

the "purple heart" bandaids at the GOP Convention (nice one that)

IRS auditing black voter activists and churches in florida

Florida attempting (again) to purge the voter rolls of legal voters (they got busted this time by the media this time though)

GOP staffers gaining illegal access to Democratic Senator's computers on the Hill

Ohio SecState trying to throw out voter registrations because they were on the wrong weight paper

Diebold CEO promising to "do everything in his power" to insure Bush's win in a fund raising letter

Inflating job numbers and intelligence to make the administration look good

State dept releasing report showing a 45% DECREASE in terror that had to be re written since the data was wrong

Making the EPA redact the info of the dangers of the air around the World Trade Center, causing thousands to become ill

Texas redistricting done inbetween census (not illegal perhaps, but dirty)

Sandy Berger accused of stuffing papers in his socks! (bet you missed the article that cleared him of any wrong doing huh?)