Kerry should NOT have conceded. Here's why:

[Deja Q]

Diebold electronic voting systems.

Diebold, a banking industry, KNOWS that you want a paper trail. They did not provide one and slithered about with stupid excuses as to why.

Kerry simply let this go instead of doing the right thing and calling "FOUL!"

Why?

Kerry LET *co steal quite a few votes. Thanks again to partisan chicanery (Diebold is a big repuke firm).

To lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose. *co will (hopefully) trip on their own feet to such an extent that even the numbest of followers will see through his two-faces.

[Deja Q]

1. Does nobody care? Are we all now defeatists?

Kick

[robbedvoter]

3. Some of us do care. Some accept stealing fair and square.

I don't. We had no election. Same as in 2002.

[phish420]

16. Yes, we are. Fuck Off America.

We were defeated...if the shoe fits, wear it
We are pissed off, enraged defeatists.
Liberal defeatists.
Any more labels we can use?
Oh I know
Im a pissed off, enraged, liberal defeatist fag.

Fuck off America.

[Amused2Death]

2. give it up already

this isn't 2000. it wasn't even close.

half this country is retarded. it's as simple as that.

[robbedvoter]

5. Whatever gets you through the night.

[Amused2Death]

6. all i'm saying is...

don't be mad at Kerry even if the Bush camp cheated. unless Kerry conjures votes out of thin air, he wasn't going to win, statistically. i hope i am proven wrong.

[noiretextatique]

9. what statistics are you talking about?

i believe you WILL be proven wrong.

[Deja Q]

7. You are right, though. Fear has mushed the brain cells of too many people.

Now all we need is another terror attack for * to be proven right. :scared:

[phish420]

17. yup

[nebula]

4. Election Fraud: Up to 45 million votes effected

U.S. voters report problems with computer systems
Wed 3 November, 2004 05:50

By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Voters across the United States have reported problems with electronic touch-screen systems in what critics say could be a sign that the machines used by one-third of the population are prone to error.

Voters calling in to an election-day hotline reported more than 1,100 problems with the ATM-like machines, from improperly tallied choices to frozen screens that left their votes in limbo.

Voters in Maryland said congressional candidates were left off ballots, while some in Florida told hotline volunteers that their ballots had already been filled out when they stepped up to vote, watchdogs said.

Machines in New Orleans, Miami and suburban Philadelphia failed to start punctually in the morning, leading to long lines at polling places and prompting some to turn away from the polls, according to activists with the Election Protection Coalition.

The nonpartisan group said it had received 1,166 complaints as of late evening involving a wide array of machines.

"It gives us the uneasy feeling that we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg," said Cindy Cohn, legal director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a technology-policy group involved in the coalition.




http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=614335§ion=news

[Deja Q]

8. Like a repuke coworker said, 'don't believe in everything you read'

She's a nut. And the reason why US media avoids this because they're *-friendly. x(

[dawg]

10. We must not give up the fight against BBV ...

But the very nature of the beast makes it impossible to prove whether the results were tampered with in this election.

It makes no sense to contend the Diebold election results from the current election. There is no way to obtain evidence of a miscount. Instead, we should use the inconsistencies with the exit polls as grounds for changing the machines so as to leave a paper trail. Otherwise, no election involving BBV will be perceived as legitimate by a significant portion of the people.

[noiretextatique]

11. the counting continues...

and until it's done, it doesn't matter that kerry conceded. if in the end, he has the most votes, he will be the winner.
i hope this is a smart, strategic move by kerry/edwards. i have a hard time believing that they have really conceded defeat. i think they conceded to the fact that media is the official organ of bush, inc.

[andym]

12. He can't cry foul without solid evidence

He can't cry foul without solid evidence. Get him the solid evidence before certification and I bet he'll retract his concession.

Solid evidence means documented instances of exactly how it was done, to what extent, with full technical details that can be corroborated by a non-partisan prosecutor.

[SoCalDemocrat]

13. EVoting can easily swing this election

It would be simple for EVoting to swing the election one way or another. A swing of 5% would more than do it. That by the way is the unexplained difference between exit polls vs actual results posted for George Bush.

[Kat 333]

14. Even if Kerry conceded ?

Hi SoCalDem

Bev Harris had some specifics regarding actions that would best be taken if any appearances of fraud - which is cleary the case:

<snip>

Election officials: Disconnect those modems NOW. If you don't: You gotta be replaced.
Reporters: Some election officials will lie to you. Show your kids what bravery looks like. Be courageous. Report the truth.
Citizens: Please help us by joining the Cleanup Crew. For now, e-mail [e-mail] to join, since our signup form has been taken out.
Candidates: Make a statement. Do not concede on Election Night. Wait until audits and records can be examined.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

By Kerry conceding Before there was any chance to investigate ...
Do you know how that might change anything that could HAVE been done.
Thanks for all your hard work SoCal.

[mulethree]

15. Show that the e-votes were more divergent than other ballots

Collect the exit poll data, and the election results. Add data regarding whether e-voting was used at an exit poll site. Calculate the difference between the exit poll data and vote data and then break it down by the type of ballot used.

If the e-vote precincts show a much larger discrepancy than more conventional vote machines then you have a case. Since there are various makes and models of evote machines, include that as well and you would probably narrow it down further. You would have to consider the software revisions as well.

So you find that certain evote machines produced suspect results and you get a judge to force the company to provide the source codes for examination and prove that the software, when 'built' from the provided sources, does match the software that was on the machines for the election.

Polls are scientific enough to be valid audits for the machines - enough to provide a 'reasonable' doubt if their results are significantly divergent from paper ballots or punch card machines.

So, who has access to the precinct-level exit poll raw data besides AP and the other Newsies? You can bet they plan to sell that data to political strategists and marketers.

But hey, there are probably democrats who have access to the data and have already crunched the numbers looking for discrepancies that are beyond the margins of error. Presumably Kerry must have had people burning the midnight oil doing stuff like this.