Kos: Piling on Frost

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posted on Daily Kos:

Holy shit. Look what Annatopia found: a news report from Dalla's Channel 11 (CBS affiliate), in Windows Media Player format.
You have to see it to believe it. The short version? Frost is trying to hide the fact he's a Democrat.

One Frost ad featured in the news piece:
Who backed President Bush?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/18/19366/7845

[pmbryant]

1. Keep in mind what Frost was up against

He was re-redistricted by DeLay into a very Republican district.

(Note: I don't support Frost for DNC.)

--Peter

[IndianaGreen]

3. In other words, this asshole is another Zell Miller

Enough of these idiots!

[pmbryant]

4. No

That's not what I said.

--Peter

[ClarkUSA]

12. Get educated on his voting record before you shoot off your mouth

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Martin_Frost.htm

[dvaravati]

2. Frost has always tried to hide it.

He is slime.

[ClarkUSA]

7. What are you talking about?

He was the most successful DCCC Chair in history from 1998-2002.

I support Dean, but stop crapping on a Democrat who's got a 100%pro-NARAL voting record.

[Mojambo]

5. I find it odd that Frost's most vocal claim to the DNC chair

Is that he was able to only lose by a little bit in a heavily Republican district. Well, I feel truly inspired by that claim to fame!

We've already got enough Democrats that run to the center and only lose by a little bit.

I'd be disappointed if the Democrats end up with Frost.

[Kolesar]

6. David Leland led the Ohio Dem party to oblivion

I share your angst.

[ClarkUSA]

10. Frost was redistricted out of existence

and made DeLay fight for his seat. If DeLay hadn't violated the State Constitution, Texas would have not lost a seat.

No relation to Leland in OH. And remember, if Blackwell could rig numbers for Bush, he could damn well rig numbers in favor of state races, too.

[ClarkUSA]

8. You're putting words in his mouth

Geez...stop sliming a Texas Democrat who is widely-respected. Imagine if one of Frost's supporters came out with some unflattering clips of your favored candidate.

He was running against DeLay. By any means necessary.

[Mojambo]

11. I'm not sliming him

Just stating that I'm underwhelmed with his accomplishments. I've heard him state on more than one occasion how proud he was of his failed efforts to win over a Republican district. I found his effort valiant but not necessarily something that indicates he'd be an effective chair for the Democratic party.

There are much better choices, IMO. If a Frost supporter has a problem with that, too bad.

[ClarkUSA]

15. I respect your opinion

I've heard him several times in interviews and he's never mentoned that. I think you have to know how surprising (shocking to the GOP, actually) it was that DeLay had to spend millions defending a seat he thought he could just win without any effort, not to mention DeLay was also forced to do some retail campaigning in Texas <horrors!>.

If a winning record in illegally-redistricted Texas is your only yardstick of success,
I don't think any candidate running for the DNC Chair could have done better than Frost against DeLay and the GOP meatgrinder there.

Instead of looking at this one point, why not admire his term as DCCC Chair, where he was the winningest in DNC history? That's more of a experiential corollary though making DeLay work to win his seat is evidence that Martin Frost struck a chord in a very-red district. He's also got a pretty good record of issues-voting.

I support Dean as DNC Chair for obvious reasons but I think Frost has alot of ground experience he can bring to the fold. I am praying that they become Co-Chairs!

[DaveinMD]

9. actually

his claim would be that he presided over the DCCC in elections where Dems picked up seats. He's a good Dem who was trying to get elected in a district drawn to kill him. I guess you are happy with Pete Sessions.

[sandnsea]

13. That's the hurdle, right there

I just posted an article on western Dems today. Added that KOS link because it puts it right there for everyone to see, thanks. Red state Dems win by running away from the national party. It's a fact that has to be faced by the next DNC chair.

http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=244

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14. Why didn't he run as a liberal Democrat,

a proud liberal Democrat? I don't want him for chair. It would be the same appeasing crap. If that is all these guys can think up, it is totally pathetic. I don't care what he was up against: Stand up and be a Democrat or get out of the way. He lost and maybe a real Democrat would have lost but a real Democrat would have gotten our message out to be heard and remembered.

[ClarkUSA]

16. Let's see how long you'd last as a Democrat and a Jew in Texas

Stop being naive. As if any candidate you know ran as a proud liberal Democrat
all the time, right? Please. Give me a candidate for DNC Chair and I'll show you someone who's not perfect.

This is politics not a fairytale.

Martin Frost lasted 25 years in Texas until DeLay f*cked him over.

Read this and see how Frost voted:

Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.
Rated 100% by APHA, indicating a pro-public health record.
Rated 78% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record.
Rated 93% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-labor voting record.
Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record.
Rated 73% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record.

http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Martin_Frost.htm

Frost defended Democratic values against the GOP "moral values" meme in interviews,too.

Hmmm.... Texas candidate rated an F by the NRA and who has a 100% NARAL voting record doesn't sound like an appeaser to me.

You know, anyone can pull a bad video clip of any candidate. We saw that during the primaries, right? Know your facts. Like I said earlier, what if a pro-Frost blogger ran an unflattering clip of someone he was running against that YOU
supported. How'd you like that if people judged that candidate by that one clip?

Frost has worked damn hard for the Democratic Party. As hard as anyone else. Many people in Congress now wouldn't be there if it weren't for his wise stewardship as DCCC Chair.

[struggle4progress]

17. Frost is a good guy and a smart pol. Dallas, of course, is Wingnut Central

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18. Just like Sen. Daschle

They used failed strategy. I don't want him as chair after making commercials with bush, hassert, etc. If you do, fine. We need to be who we are without apologies or blurring the lines. Both these guys' ads make me sick to my stomach...they validate bush and don't help themselves and that is despicable.