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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 05:42 PM
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Torture; In America's Brutal Prisons (Shocking documentary)
By Deborah Davies

They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for BBC Channel 4 . It’s terrible to watch some of the videos and realise that you’re not only seeing torture in action but, in the most extreme cases, you are witnessing young men dying.

Warning this video contains images and descriptions of violent and degrading treatment, which may distress some viewers.

Click here to watch this documentary. Windows Media.


http://informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm

The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons: Fyodor Dostoyevsky: Russian
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 05:53 PM
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1. Torture Inc. Americas Brutal Prisons
See, democracies don't produce terrorists, they are decent, law abiding, human rights respecting and all dat. Take a look around shrub, time to remove the scales from your eyes and stop lying to yourself.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:07 PM
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2. It takes the British to expose this? Shame on U.S. corporations and their
partnerships. Shame. Shame. Shame. Is your paycheck from that corporation that important?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:39 AM
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13. are we still a democracy? nt
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:29 PM
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3. bttft
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:42 PM
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4. Why do you think
they recruited guards from American prisons to work at Abu Ghraib? They were already experienced in the assorted methods of torturing prisoners.
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thecai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 02:46 AM
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5. Exactly Right, DoYouEverWonder
We've reported inmate abuse and neglect in U.S. jails and prisons for YEARS before Abu Ghraib abuse, but it was always denied, ignored, covered up, and enabled. It isn't until there are PHOTOS and WITNESSES WILLING TO TESTIFY IN COURT, that the problem is even acknowledged or addressed. This is unacceptable and not only endangers the inmates and guards, but the entire country, as well.
We have several links about inmate abuse in America, on this webpage:
http://hometown.aol.com/sonrisepark/myhomepage/politics.html
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:49 AM
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6. The Shawshank Redemption wasn't made for nuthin'... eom.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:22 AM
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16. There is also a public mentality that inmates deserve maltreatment
I don't agree, but we all have heard it, especially when it applies to violent criminals. "He's going to get his in prison", or "he's going to be Schillenger's b*#$@, etc.

There are a lot of people who feel that way. That's why so many states still have the death penalty.

We used to have educational programs in our prisons. The public screamed about how inmates were getting free educations when they had to pay for their kid's educations.

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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:27 AM
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7. Rut Roh!
I sent the link to Senator Obama, Senator Durbin and, inadvertently, to *dumbass and President Cheney! I was addressing civil rights violations in Illinois Department of Corrections and requested they watch the documentary at the link you provided, 007. yikes!

Since I have already been retaliated against these past 18 months, by people in the Illinois Department of Corrections for exposing them for the unethical freaks they are, I guess I should prepare myself for more of the same?

Actually, I am now officially afraid. Genuinely, cold stomach, shaking hands, afraid! IDOC does NOT play nice and abuse their power at each and every turn. Suggestions?

Jenn
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:00 AM
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8. Thank you for sending this documentary to the folks that can help
the most. I doubt if the staff would pass this on to junior or dick.

I have no suggestions, because if the vindictiveness is great enough they can find us all. We're all afraid!
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:01 AM
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9. Of course
you are right. And, yes, we ARE all afraid. Isn't that sad.

Jenn
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 07:58 AM
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10. This is a small percentage of correctional workers..
This is not the norm, but the exception. Im not defending these actions at all. Anyone that can abuse another person has no business in corrections. However, I need to point out a few things...

The Beeb did a wonderful job of showing the problem, but they didnt tell you how it ended up that way. The cons and their lawyers always make it sound like little Johnny was on his way to bible study when he was swooped down upon by the guards. Truth of the matter is usually something a lot different.

In many cases, inmates will cause problems and then when they end up being disciplined for assaulting staff, other inmates etc. they try to cry foul and want to begin suing. While this also is not typical of all inmates, many of them didnt get to prison by being nice guys.

If you have never been to prison or worked in a prison, you have absolutely no idea of what goes on, why or how. Prisons arent day spa's. They are there for the housing and containment of societies worst offenders. Control of that environment falls to a very small (relatively) group of individuals that are often underpaid and in some cases, undertrained. They are expected to handle murderers, rapists, violent prison gangs, extortion, riots, and all manner of other hazardous situations etc. and stay within the letter of the law. This is a very fine line and I dont think there are too many people here that would willingly put themselves in that position, but yet here comes the judgement.

Do not just buy into the stories told by the BBC, Commondreams etc. as they are leaving a *lot* of the story out to make a very one sided production. Take it upon yourself to tour your own prison facilities or local jails to get a taste of what it's really like.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:22 AM
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11. These are not just a few isolated incidents related to just a
few states and a few men.

And Abu Ghraib was just a few rotten apples also. It is a known fact that orders came from a higher source.


Perhaps you should make a documentary that counters BBC, 'eh?

The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons: Fyodor Dostoyevsky
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:21 PM
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21. Actually Abu Ghraib and American prisons are apples and oranges
You said it yourself.. the orders came from higher up. Its exactly the opposite in the American prison system. The problems are typically found at the lower levels of staff. In some cases, these people are enabled by the higher ups..in many cases, they arent and they are weeded out as soon as the problems are found.

Abu Ghraib was run without policies, rules, accountability etc. American prisons on the other hand have all of that and much more. Its precisely why its not nearly as horrible as is being portrayed.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 07:49 AM
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25. I strongly suggest you view this video again.
This is NOT a made in Hollywood fairytale movie that was to made to make fools out of prison guards and prison officials. It was made to wake the public up to the cruelly and inhumane treatment of human beings.

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm

I don't understand how you can endorse these actions or dispositions to inflict violence, pain, and hardship, and to find satisfaction in the suffering of others. Oh I forgot they are dangerous criminals that only prison guards know how to handle. 'Rampant brutality, it appears, is a game to a few of these sadistic employees!

Apples & Oranges are still of the fruit variety. And I find along with any intelligent man or women that Abu Ghraib and the American prisons are in the same category of cruelty that belongs only to primitive human beings...in their ferocious battle for supremacy.

'Tis a shame that America has become deficient to hose qualities that are opposite to inhuman and have become savages in these modern times of technology that it can't control the criminals of our society.

Prison reform is obviously needed badly. I would hope you would agree.


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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 03:00 PM
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26. Whoa...
This is NOT a made in Hollywood fairytale movie that was to made to make fools out of prison guards and prison officials. It was made to wake the public up to the cruelly and inhumane treatment of human beings.

Yeah, Im aware that its not a fairytale. Im also very aware that you are only seeing a small part of the bigger picture.

I don't understand how you can endorse these actions or dispositions to inflict violence, pain, and hardship, and to find satisfaction in the suffering of others. Oh I forgot they are dangerous criminals that only prison guards know how to handle. 'Rampant brutality, it appears, is a game to a few of these sadistic employees!

Im not endorsing or supporting the actions of some people that chose to abuse their power. I dont know where you are getting that. As for your comment on the guards being the only ones that can handle them, I dont exactly see anyone else out there doing it. If you dont know what you are talking about, you might not want to comment. You have no idea what it takes to do that job.

Apples & Oranges are still of the fruit variety. And I find along with any intelligent man or women that Abu Ghraib and the American prisons are in the same category of cruelty that belongs only to primitive human beings...in their ferocious battle for supremacy.

Yes, fruit, but different fruit. I thought I made that clear in my initial post. Again, I see vast differences between the prisons in America and the torture chambers run in Iraq under our administration. There really is no basis for comparison except in some extremist views.

'Tis a shame that America has become deficient to hose qualities that are opposite to inhuman and have become savages in these modern times of technology that it can't control the criminals of our society.

Prison reform is obviously needed badly. I would hope you would agree.


Absolutely I agree. There is always room for improvement and in instances where abuse and wrongdoing occur, there needs to be corrections made. The process as a whole is not broken, but specific instances require resolution ASAP.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 08:36 AM
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12. With all due respect...
while I agree with a portion of your assessment, one of the things I do not agree with is your statement "They are there for the housing and containment of societies worst offenders". Such a sweeping generality.

I HAVE taken it upon myself to delve into the secret world of my local prison system. What I have learned is chilling, what is more chilling is the fact that, even when presented with hard evidence of wrong doing, the behavior is ignored, the whistle blower harassed and the in-mate held responsible for their loved ones actions. All while the wife/lover/parent/sister/brother/child worries about the well-being of their son/daughter/father/mother/grandchild/lover who is incarcerated.

Many in our prisons are non-violent offenders! Furthermore, I know first hand of the civil rights abuses against people in our punitive prison system. When called to task for these unethical behaviors, administration and state officials use the "oh, they are just criminals, what credibility do they have", or "they are just the family of criminals, what do you expect"?, etc. Using that tactic deflects any accountability because of this society's belief in

"In many cases, inmates will cause problems and then when they end up being disciplined for assaulting staff, other inmates etc. they try to cry foul and want to begin suing. While this also is not typical of all inmates, many of them didnt get to prison by being nice guys".

In many cases, inmates DO NOT cause problems, they just speak up for themselves. Case in point: A man incarcerated at a local corrections facility for fraud (one of "...societies worst..." ?), wrote a 15 page letter to someone (that was never specified to me), detailing conditions in this prison. The letter was found and confiscated, the man was put into segregation and later shipped to another facility.

Another man did violate some rule and was put in seg in the nude. Now that (seg in nude) is to be done only if the person is suicidal. The parents of this man told me he had never, EVER been even remotely so and did not believe the "official story". In their quest to find answers, they were stonewalled, lied to, "referred to", etc., never getting any answers. But, OH, I forgot, he's only a criminal and they were only his parents, what credibility do they have? :sarcasm:

No, they didn't get to prison for being "nice guys"; however, does that excuse unethical behavior directed at them and their loved ones? Does that excuse the stifling of elected officials who try to help? Does that excuse Deputy Directors of Corrections calling an advocate in the Governor's office, demanding this person have no further contact with the person they are advocating with/for or they will lose their job?

I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about this faulty system. I DO NOT blame the officers. Many are kind human beings, doing a job that needs to be done. Who I do blame are the people who run the places, the administration and clear to the top, for their reprehensible, sleazy, unethical behaviors.

I know, first hand, the abuses of authority wardens, directors, deputy directors, director of records and governor's turn their heads from and ignore. I know, first hand, what it is like to be called by a representative in a Lt. Governor's office and threatened not once but THREE times to "back off or it will get worse"! No matter that strong evidence of inappropriate, dishonorable, and unethical behavior is presented to them, the powers that be, THEY do nothing to correct it.

re: suggesting people "tour" their local prisons. What I would suggest is human rights groups be allowed to just "show up" to tour. Of course, the facilities are going to put their best faces forward when exposed, with advanced notice! I often wonder what would be found if Prison Advocacy Groups, or the ACLU, or other advocates were allowed to just show up at the gatehouse and say "Hey, can we take a look around and talk to some of the in-mates" and then be allowed to do so!

Yes, this is an issue close to me. Furthermore, I have no doubt some states are worse than others. I also know, for a fact, I live in one of the former.

Jenn



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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 12:05 PM
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17. Just be careful with the "warm and fuzzy victim prisoner" counter-claim
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 12:06 PM by Zynx
Prisons do have a lot of non-violent offenders (mostly drugs), but they also have plenty of gang members (outside gang; almost everyone is in a prison gang for protection) and other *very* violent offenders, many of whom would immediately kill a guard or a rival inmate for what we would consider no good reason.

Guards are abusive, but they're *FAR* from the only violent, dangerous element in the system and the extreme physical danger they're in 24/7 certainly contributes to their sadistic mindset.

Keep in mind that any inmate who acts like he is even neutral towards the guards could well be beaten, raped or killed for being a "snitch."

It's simply a screwed up environment.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 05:33 PM
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19. I agree with you
Zynx re: "warm and fuzzy victim prisoner"; however, the institution I am familiar with is the lowest of security in the state. It is only from that position that I might speak.

In this institution snitches are rewarded (and, you are right, many ARE gang members!)! Murderers get work release (against Administrative Code), violent offenders are allowed in work camp AND receive outside clearance to go into the community (against Administrative Code and the community is lied to when the officials are asked about it!). That is just the tip of the iceberg! My information comes from "behind the walls" and I don't mean the inmates.

As I said, my experiences with the guards at this particular institution has been that the 98% I have come in contact with in the past 3 years are honorable human beings just doing their job and treat the inmates humanely and their visitors respectfully. My issues are not with them but with those that hold the power, from the Governor to the Lt. Governor, the Director, Deputy Director, all the way down to the Wardens! I have never in my 53 years met such unethical, reprehensible, dishonorable, and insidious human beings in my life!

Again, I know, only too well, of what I speak.

Thanks for your reply!

Jenn
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 03:08 PM
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18. A very good response !
I certainly wish more folks here at DU would take the time to view the video.
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:58 PM
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22. Thanks for a well thought out response :-)
I want to address specific points you made.

while I agree with a portion of your assessment, one of the things I do not agree with is your statement "They are there for the housing and containment of societies worst offenders". Such a sweeping generality.

Yes, but I was speaking in the context of how it applies with regard to use of force in facilities. When you see response teams storming a living unit, its typically not just because they want to, but because they have to.

I HAVE taken it upon myself to delve into the secret world of my local prison system.

What did you do?

What I have learned is chilling, what is more chilling is the fact that, even when presented with hard evidence of wrong doing, the behavior is ignored, the whistle blower harassed and the in-mate held responsible for their loved ones actions.

Strange. Ive been involved in law enforcement and corrections for a long time and every complaint that Ive seen cross a desk has been investigated by either internal procedures or through external agencies. Im not saying you are wrong, but Im saying that I havent seen it in ~14 years on the job.

Many in our prisons are non-violent offenders!

I know that. They are usually not the problem. Its the violent, disruptive offenders that are the issue. The problem for corrections staff is that its very difficult to single out the problems in a large inmate population. Additionally, many of those "non violent offenders" often take part in efforts to control and manipulate other offenders. They contribute to the problem just as much.

Furthermore, I know first hand of the civil rights abuses against people in our punitive prison system.

Like what? From what Ive seen in my time, civil rights are staunchly protected.

When called to task for these unethical behaviors, administration and state officials use the "oh, they are just criminals, what credibility do they have", or "they are just the family of criminals, what do you expect"?, etc. Using that tactic deflects any accountability because of this society's belief in

While I understand the point you are making, you also have to understand that the position of the the state officials and administration is also correct. Inmates rarely look out for anyone other than themselves and when they do, you can bet that there is a benefit for that inmate in some form be it monetary, sexual, food etc. This is a fact by the very nature of their situation and every inmate experiences it to some degree, some more than others. Ive dealt with the families on many occasions and many of them are truly concerned for the situation of their loved one..others have an agenda, just like the inmate.

In many cases, inmates DO NOT cause problems, they just speak up for themselves.

In prison/jail, there is no "speaking up for yourself". You do what you are told by staff and you follow the rules of the facility. This is specifically for the safety and security of not only the other inmates but the staff as well. If you have a grievance, you process it through channels. Throwing feces, piss, food, setting fires, attacking other inmates or staff etc. are not ways to "speak up". The problem in the prisons, again, isnt the inmate just doing his time...its the guy or guys with an agenda.

Case in point: A man incarcerated at a local corrections facility for fraud (one of "...societies worst..." ?), wrote a 15 page letter to someone (that was never specified to me), detailing conditions in this prison. The letter was found and confiscated, the man was put into segregation and later shipped to another facility.

Well, since we dont know what was said, its hard, actually impossible, to speculate as to why he was moved. Do you honestly believe that he is the only one that complains? If they treated all of their complainers that way, they wouldnt have any inmates left. My point is that prisons expect prisoners to complain. I wouldnt be surprised if his letter included information of a security nature that may have made him a risk to the facility or himself. Theres a lot we simply dont know about this situation. For example, even though he was in prison for a minor issue (fraud), his classification may have been such that he was a high security prisoner. I know murderers that have been in jail for traffic tickets..it doesnt make them any less of a serious offender because they happened to get sent up for a non-violent offense. Its just something to consider.

Another man did violate some rule and was put in seg in the nude. Now that (seg in nude) is to be done only if the person is suicidal. The parents of this man told me he had never, EVER been even remotely so and did not believe the "official story".

Ive dealt with mental health issues in a correctional setting and a potentially suicidal inmate is something to be taken seriously. The decision to place an inmate on suicidal precautions is typically not made by the security staff, but by medical staff unless there is an emergency need to make the inmates situation safe. Ive seen many inmates claim to be suicidal in an attempt to manipulate medical staff, corrections officers, etc. And on the other end, Ive seen many inmates deny being suicidal, but were placed on precautions anyway. Its better to be safe than sorry in many instances. People that are or become suicidal often have feelings of shame later on over the event. It wouldnt surprise me in the least if he was denying it so that his family wouldnt think 'less' of him. Just another thing to consider.

In their quest to find answers, they were stonewalled, lied to, "referred to", etc., never getting any answers. But, OH, I forgot, he's only a criminal and they were only his parents, what credibility do they have?

Since Im not familiar with the situation you are referring, its going to be difficult to determine who is telling the truth. However, given your tone, I can speculate that if the guy had committed suicide, you would be here complaining that the prison didnt do anything to stop him. Some folks, you just cant please.

No, they didn't get to prison for being "nice guys"; however, does that excuse unethical behavior directed at them and their loved ones?

Absolutely not. Nowhere did I imply anything to that affect.

Does that excuse the stifling of elected officials who try to help?

Hmm. I dont know where you are, but here in Texas, elected officials, even at a municipal level carry a *lot* of weight politically when dealing with something like issues in jails or prisons. It wouldnt take much more than a few phone calls to start getting some answers.

Does that excuse Deputy Directors of Corrections calling an advocate in the Governor's office, demanding this person have no further contact with the person they are advocating with/for or they will lose their job?

Ok, again, not knowing the particulars of this issue, its hard for me to say one way or another who is at fault.

I have learned more than I ever wanted to know about this faulty system. I DO NOT blame the officers. Many are kind human beings, doing a job that needs to be done. Who I do blame are the people who run the places, the administration and clear to the top, for their reprehensible, sleazy, unethical behaviors.

Well, again, these situations are the exception, thankfully, and not the norm. Abuses occur, there is no doubt.

I know, first hand, the abuses of authority wardens, directors, deputy directors, director of records and governor's turn their heads from and ignore. I know, first hand, what it is like to be called by a representative in a Lt. Governor's office and threatened not once but THREE times to "back off or it will get worse"! No matter that strong evidence of inappropriate, dishonorable, and unethical behavior is presented to them, the powers that be, THEY do nothing to correct it.

re: suggesting people "tour" their local prisons. What I would suggest is human rights groups be allowed to just "show up" to tour. Of course, the facilities are going to put their best faces forward when exposed, with advanced notice! I often wonder what would be found if Prison Advocacy Groups, or the ACLU, or other advocates were allowed to just show up at the gatehouse and say "Hey, can we take a look around and talk to some of the in-mates" and then be allowed to do so!


So how do you ensure that the inmates only report real problems rather than making shit up? Again, its about agendas. An inmate is wronged (whether real or imagined) and sees an opportunity to "get back" at the staff, facility or whatever, maybe even make a name for himself or a few bucks for his commissary fund by whining about things that dont exist. Ive seen this sort of thing first hand so I know it exists. My suggestion to inmates was always that if they thought there were issues to address that they follow channels until they are exhausted and then get their attorney involved if its still going on. Inmates are in no way without a means by which to voice their issues.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 06:05 AM
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23. Whew!
So much to respond to, so little time.

This will be brief as I must go to work; however, I will respond in full later in the day or this time tomorrow.

The bottom line, in my situation, is I have been provided most of my information by those behind the walls. I don't mean the inmates but those who would know.

Out of genuine fear for my safety and the safety of others, I will not tell you where I am but rest assured, the lawmakers in my area carry NO weight at all when it comes to Corrections. The DOC in this state has muzzled any and all who would speak out against their unethical behaviors. I feel like one of Stephen King's "Tommyknockers". I have NEVER, in my 53 years, encountered such lack of honor and ethics (with the exception of *, of course).

My rep got his "subtle" warning after signing a letter in support of an inmate. DOC, and I quote, "strongly advise you to put your name on no further documents in support of xxxxxxx". In the past 2 years, I have forged a trusting relationship with my State Rep's office staff and have heard horror stories regarding DOC's responses to concerns of loved ones about their people incarcerated in this state, in this area.

"Does that excuse the stifling of elected officials who try to help?

Hmm. I dont know where you are, but here in Texas, elected officials, even at a municipal level carry a *lot* of weight politically when dealing with something like issues in jails or prisons. It wouldnt take much more than a few phone calls to start getting some answers".

There is not enough room here, or time, for me to tell you all of the people I have contacted. I have a file that weighs no less than 5#, a contact list an "arms length" long, that includes elected officials, persons within the DOC, the media, a prisoner advocacy board out of Chicago that has been in "business" for over 100 years, the Gov's office, Lt. Gov's office, the media, to name but a few!

I have official documents that "fell into my hands" to back up most of my assertions regarding this particular institution. I am not some flighty yahoo that has responded with knee jerk reactions to allegations. Nor am I implying you came remotely close to insinuating that I am. I am just trying to convey that I KNOW, all too well, of what I speak! Most every assertion I have made can be backed up with strong evidence!

I know of men (their families) who have "greased palms" to get their inmates released on work release. If palms weren't "greased", the inmate WAS a snitch for the administration and "rewarded" with work release. Or, in one case, the grandmother knew the current Director when he was sheriff in her area; therefore, her grandson, convicted of a violent X offense, was granted work release before even half of his sentence had been served. These men were released in blatant violation of the state's Administrative Code. DOC's reasoning? "There are always exceptions". A few of those "exceptions" included an arsonist, a murderer, and a 4x X-offender! (This man had been convicted 4x for manufacturing and delivery of over 300 grams!).

Yet, I know of a man, although a 2x adult offender (both drug related offenses), a non-violent man who made stupid choices based on his addictions, who was denied work release based on a PERSONAL VENDETTA of a man in power at this particular facility. This personal vendetta goes back over 20 years. when this was exposed, the inmate was going to be punished with transfer to a facility almost 400 miles from here, yet nothing was done to the person acting so unethically. It was the man's mother that kept the transfer from happening but that is another story.

Again, I KNOW of what I speak.

As I stated in my earlier post, I know some states are worse than others and I know I live in one of the former when it comes to corrections.

One more quick example before I must leave for my day.

I sent a well organized argument, professionally prepared, by me, requesting an investigation into the unethical practices of the DOC. There was unending evidence to support the need for said investigation. This information was sent to the media, the prisoner advocate, the Governor's office, Lt. Governor's office, the Director's office, but, most ironically, to the Inspector General's office. The office the Gov set up for "civilians" to lodge complaints with to report unethical behavior since this Governor was not going to allow that kind of behavior in his administration.

This office informed me it was not their "job" to investigate the DOC (!) and sent my complaints to the Internal Affairs department of the DOC. According to an administrative assistant in that office, one who was either VERY new or wasn't thinking, informed me the Deputy Director of the DOC, NOT the Director of Internal Affairs, helped pen the response to me. Said response was basically "Move on. Nothing to see here"! It was apparent nothing had been read, nothing had been investigated, nothing was going to be done. It was but a few short weeks after that, the young man in the Gov's office who had been advocating with/for this particular inmate, was basically threatened with his job if he had any further contact with me.

I really must dash; however, I will respond more fully later today or in the morning.

Thanks for your responses.

Have a good day.

Jenn








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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 07:14 AM
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24. The small percentage who stay on the job
The decent ones usually quit. From my husband who was a guard at Walla Walla for several months and quit. Because of the guards, not the inmates. You can take that any way you want to.
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:46 PM
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27. Hmm..
Well, since Ive been in the business for a very long time and I consider myself one of the "good ones", I think you incorrect. Ive watched the bad ones come and go. I see the good ones getting promoted or transferring into other areas as I did. Make no mistake though, there are some superb people working in corrections. You cannot judge a whole culture on the basis of one 'bad' experience. Corrections is not for everyone. It takes a very specific type of person to work that field and I dont hold it against anyone for leaving no matter what the reason. He gave it a shot and it wasnt for him. He's got more balls than most people.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 09:19 AM
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14. Important kick! n/t
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 11:12 AM
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15. Fire up a BitTorrent client...
To find a high-res version of this Brit documentary, well worth it.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-04-05 06:20 PM
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20. Just a minor correction
it's not BBC Channel 4 -- just Channel 4. The show ran as part of a "torture" season, including the "Guantanamo Guidebook" where 6 people underwent life as a Guantanamo detainee for 48 hours (3 pulled out half-way unable to take it anymore) and another show about how the CIA is basically kidnapping people & taking them to countries like Egypt where they can be tortured. (I don't know if these two programs are available on anything like bittorrent).
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 09:58 PM
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28. Thanks for this will view when I get home.
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