Lindy England to plead guilty??? A 5' tall little girl takes the wrap..

[bush_is_wacko]

...... for the entire US military and the BFFE! Can someone please explain to me how THIS is justice????

ALL the "men" go free???

This is a freaking outrage! Wake the heck up America!

:rant:

Links all over the place I am just too damn disturbed to post them!

[Caution]

1. Certainly there were others culpable but Lyndie was anything but innocent

She'll get the prison term she deserves.

[bush_is_wacko]

7. Really, that's not my point...

She certainly deserves jail time. BUT...WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THEM! Lyndie is THE entire scandal according to the BFEE. We all know she wasn't in every freaking picture and she didn't perpetrate every single act of torture! Where are all the OTHER culpable members of the military and BFFE???? How many of THEM are going to go free????

[amazona]

2. if you can't do the time don't do the crime in front of the camera NT

.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[wtmusic]

3. She was given a choice between prison time and "extraordinary rendition"

and she made the "right" choice

[MaineDem]

4. A creep, a mother, a soldier...

but not a "little girl".

[Avalux]

5. She's pleading guilty to avoid a decade in jail -

this way it may only be 2 years and she'll be able to raise her child. Speaking of that - wonder what she'll tell him when he's older about how he came to be? (Sorry - I know I shouldn't be judgemental).

[rkc3]

6. We have the greatest military in all the world - yet PFC's are running our

war prisons.

Her admission of guilt lets all Americans know there was no leadership in Abu Ghraib. Just a bunch of privates from the US running around beating the shit out of these detainees.

It's just like here in the US, our leaders make ridiculous decisions and the weakest pay the consequences.

[bush_is_wacko]

10. THIS is my point! Little Lyndie England....

The perpetrator of all evils at Abu Ghraib prison!!!

What a freaking JOKE!!!

NOT!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[ComerPerro]

19. She is guilty. I understand your point that she is taking the fall

but, you know what? Screw her. By her actions at the prison she has indicated that she has no problem doing dirty work for the Military.

She is not a victim.

[bush_is_wacko]

23. the "little girl" reference was meant to make the "men"

that gave her the orders step up to the friggin' plate. She was following orders. I DO NOT in any way believe she is "innocent." Actually, she really isn't a victim either as much as others would like to believe that but the REAL males that gave her orders are spending their evenings in million dollar mansions and places of honor.

The REAL people who created policy to get around Geneva conventions aren't even going to have to answer for it!

[ComerPerro]

26. Ok, I see. I think it was just the "little girl" comment that got me

I had to take exception. After all, according to the testimony, she isn't exactly a little girl.

But I agree it is sick that they are just letting her take all the blame, as though she were the one responsible for all of this.

However, following orders or not, I get the impression that she enjoyed what she was doing.

[CWebster]

8. Same as Martha Stewart

taking the fall for all the boys.

[silverlib]

9. Swinging deals

How many have been given "deals" so this won't go to court where the names of the big guys come up? Sounds more like blackmail than a "deal" to me.

No, she's not innocent, but neither are the officials straight up to the White House IMO.

The big guys go free and the little people serve the time.

[DinahMoeHum]

11. Great essay from last year sums up that not-so-innocent woman's life.

Link:
http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant06132004.html

(snip)
Lynndie England never had a chance. Abu Ghraib, or maybe something even worse (an RPG up the shorts, for instance) was always her destiny. Nearly half of the 800 Americans killed in Iraq to date came from small towns like hers, like mine. Forty-six percent of the American dead in Iraq came from towns of less than 40,000. Yet these towns make up only 25% of our population. Most of the young soldiers were fleeing economically depressed places, or dead end jobs like Lynndie had at the chicken processing plant. These so-called volunteers are part of this nation's de facto draft---economic conscription. Money is always the best whip to use on the laboring clasess. Thirteen hundred a month, a signing bonus and free room and board sure beats the hell out of yanking guts through a chicken's ass.

And there are those big bucks for college later. Up to $65,000. Lynndie was supposedly going to college after her enlistment to become a "storm chaser," like in the Helen Hunt movie "Twister." Yeah, right. There are millions of openings in the tornado chasing business. And I'm going to be the centerfold in the next Playgirl beefcake issue. I suppose lots of poor kids do go to college on their military benefits. But personally speaking, I can count the number I know who actually did it on one hand. Let's be honest here: graduating from a small town redneck white high school not knowing where Alaska is on a map of the US is not exactly the path to the fountain at Harvard Yard. But I suspect that down inside Lynndie knew her lot in life from the start---she wore combat boots and camo outfits to high school. Swore she loved it. If you are doomed to eat shit, you may as well bring your own fork.
(snip)
(snip)
To talk about Lynndie's class you have to talk about that other class, her betters. The class that would not piss on her if her shirt was on fire---the flag people. The kind who smirk at "the mutt girl." I live among them now, on a street where the American flag hangs from nearly every Antebellum or Georgian or Greek Revival front porch, in the part of town where every man is a business man, solidly "patriotic." All went to college and few if any have been in the armed services. The regional tire distribution kingpin across the street (who is also a Republican city councilman with, they tell me, a contract for the city's vehicles) flies his flag. Next door the local office supply hotwire (former mayor and born-again chairman of the city GOP) flies two flags, one American and on of his alma mater. The bigtime landlord up the street, another steel bottomed Republican, flies her colors. She too is on council and her daughter is state GOP chairman to boot. Next house down is the daughter of a mogul hard-right-wing developer. She has never worked a day in her life; Daddy just bought her a half million dollar home. They are all waving a flag. They are all super GOPers and shitting in the tall cotton.

Waving a flag and making a mint. What the folks on the "good streets" understand but never say is that America's class war is over and they, the business class, won. Now they can sit back and be outraged by the pics of an ignorant girl in the testosterone choked air of an American torture chamber. They won on the backs of the other nine tenths in these non-union towns where the annual wage is less than three-quarters of the national average. And they won because god wants it that way. Their families got here first and stole early. Their daddies stole land from farmers during the Depression and they made millions later selling it to Wal-Mart, the new medical center, and all those low wage non-union factories (after conveniently rezoning it to suit their interests while on city council.) Contrary to common belief, the bedrock of this nation's rip-off by the rich is in the small and medium sized towns, where the so-called "small" business associations have a direct phone line to the state capital, where they can stymie any increase in minimum wage or snuff anything even remotely resembling a fair tax structure. And if Lynndie England wants a piece of their American pie, well, she can start in the Army reserves by posing for mock crotch shots in the belly of Abu Ghraib, then claw her way up from there. Just like their great granddaddies did.
(snip)


much more...


:evilfrown:

[bush_is_wacko]

14. Lyndie deserves what she gets! Again that is NOT my point!

My point is...

Is this country going to let ONE "tiny little girl" who is admittedly guilty as charged take the wrap for the ENTIRE US military AND the BFEE!

It is ABSOLUTELY insane that SEVERAL others have already been CLEARED of ALL charges with regards to these crimes!

I want to see MANY more arrests and convictions! NO American should allow HER to be the SOLE person to take the fall for what our president, rummy, gonzales and SEVERAL other "so called" leaders condoned, directed and IMO DEMANDED be done in the name of The United States of America!

[DinahMoeHum]

15. When I said "not-so-innocent", I meant that PFC England

had already been married (AND divorced) BEFORE joining up; and then she screwed around and got pregnant by her direct superior, Spec. Graner. Since then, she's given birth to a boy, and Graner went and married ANOTHER soon-to-be-court-martialled soldier.

IOW, she's been "around the block" of the hard-knock life quite a number of times.

Oh, it should also be mentioned that PFC England wasn't even trained to be an MP. She was a office worker, a clerk in her company.

Piss-poor personnel, piss-poor training, piss-poor management, piss-poor leadership all around.

She's now becoming the poster girl for the next cautionary tale - kids, don't join the military, 'cause if something goes wrong, YOU get the blame, your superiors get out scot-free.


:evilfrown:

[bush_is_wacko]

16. At least THIS will serve a purpose...

She's now becoming the poster girl for the next cautionary tale - kids, don't join the military, 'cause if something goes wrong, YOU get the blame, your superiors get out scot-free.

It prevents more of our children from being led to the slaughter! This whole thing may cost this country it's entire military before bushitler backs down, or surrenders.

OOOoops my bad! He'll NEVER surrender. We'll have to drag him out of OUR house kicking and screaming like the tyrant he is!

[Laughing Mirror]

12. Somebody had to pay for the torture going on

And we caught her redhanded! She took the leash Rumsfeld and Sanchez handed her, and she posed for eternity for the picture.

[Clark2008]

13. While I agree that the onus is on the Bush Administration

It should be noted that Lyndy England isn't the ONLY soldier to be charged and convicted and/or to plead guilty.

Charles Garner Jr. is serving time and so is Javal Davis.

[ArkDem]

17. 'takes the wrap'?

[bush_is_wacko]

21. Oops my funny spelling errors! RAP! Sorry, some days my blondness

takes over!

[WI_DEM]

18. I can't believe that the big brass gets off scott free

What happened to "The Buck Stops Here"? if it happens under somebody's watch they assume a portion of the blame.

[thebigidea]

20. she was a sadistic torturer, not a little girl

of course I want the higher ups punished, but her name should be dirt until the end of her miserable "little girl" life.

[bush_is_wacko]

22. without a doubt she deserves to rot. the reference to her "little girl"

status is just to demean the "men" that put her in a position where she followed the orders THEY set forth. You know she was a friggin' secretary before she became a sadist, right?

My point really isn't that Lyndie hold no blame. she certainly DOES. The point is that there were some very puffed up men that told her to do it in the first place and SEVERAL have recently been CLEARED of all charges.

[thebigidea]

24. I don't think you'll find a single person on here who will disagree...

... with the higher ups needing a bit of justice aimed in their direction.

[sendero]

25. All the "men" go free?

Tell that to Charles Graner.

[LittleClarkie]

27. Maybe he meant Brass

I too was under the impression that someone else had been found guilty as well.

I think it was proven to go all the way to Rummy, though, and of course he's not taking any responsibility for the atmosphere that was set up that allowed this to happen. They are just deviants. And yet, if you believe Bob Herbert in the NYT today, this was pretty common place.

Oh sure, we're winning the hearts and minds of these people, by keeping bottles in our humvees to break over civilian heads.


"We are also here to ask, and we are here to ask vehemently, where are the leaders of our country? Where is the leadership? ... Where are they now that we, the men whom they sent off to war, have returned? These are commanders who have deserted their troops, and there is no more serious crime in the law of war. The Army says they never leave their wounded.

The Marines say they never leave even their dead. These men have left all the casualties and retreated behind a pious shield of public rectitude. They have left the real stuff of their reputation bleaching behind them in the sun in this country..."

Finally, this administration has done us the ultimate dishonor. They have attempted to disown us and the sacrifice we made for this country. In their blindness and fear they have tried to deny that we are veterans or that we served in Nam. We do not need their testimony. Our own scars and stumps of limbs are witnesses enough for others and for ourselves."

Seemed appropriate.

[sendero]

28. I knew what was meant..

... I just felt it was poorly expressed.

We live in a culture where if you are high enough up the ladder, in the military, in business, in politics - you don't have to take responsibility for your fuckups.

In that way, I wish we were more like Japan.

[Clark2008]

29. Javal Davis also pleaded guilty to crimes resulting from the

Abu Ghraid prison scandal.

So, yes, LC, there was at least one other person (male) indicted in this.