Those who voted to authorize death camps and terrorism

[genius]

or whatever else Chertoff wants to do under his authority to waive all laws with no judicial review. What is the difference between these and the Germans who turned their eyes and let the Nazi's kill 6 million plus people?

Both parties have a lot to be ashamed for today.

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The above individuals didn't care about all the warnings from the following organizations.

HERE IS A PARTIAL LISTING OF GROUPS THAT KNOW THAT THE REAL ID ACT IS DANGEROUS.
The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators

American Bar Association

Association of the Bar of New York City

American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)

American Immigrant Lawyers Association

Amnesty International

Anti-Defamation League

Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee

The Bill of Rights Defense Committee

B’Nai B’Rith International

Catholic Charities USA

Center for Community Change

Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law

Children for Honest Government


Church World Service


Citizens for Legitimate Government


The Civil Rights Coalition for the 21st Century

The Council of State Governments

Defenders of Wildlife

The Episcopal Church

Episcopal Migration Ministries

Fair Immigration Reform Movement

Families for Freedom

The Garden Club of America

Gun Owners of America

The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society

HIAS and Counsel Migration Service of Philadelphia

Human Rights First

Immigrant Solidarity Network

Institute on Religion and Public Policy

Jesuit Refuge Service

Jewish Council for Public Affairs

Jewish Labor Committee

Jubilee Campaign

Korean Resource Center (KRC)

Labor Council for Latin American Development

League of United Latin American Citizens

Leadership Conference on Civil Rights

Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service

Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF)

Midland Alliances

Midland Association of Churches

Midland Ministerial Alliance

National Korean American Service and Education Consortium (NAKASEC)

The National Conference of State Legislatures

National Council of Jewish Woman

National Council of La Raza

The National Governors Association

National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights

National Resources Defense Council

National Asian Pacific American Legal Consortium

National Association for Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)

National Association of International Educators

National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials Educational Fund (NALEO)

The National Catholic Social Justice Lobby

New York Immigration Coalition

National Immigration Forum

Patrick Henry Democratic Club

People for the American Way

Progressive Democrats of America

Project for International Religious Liberty

Religious Freedom Coalition

Religious Task Force on Central America and Mexico

Rights Working Group2

Sierra Club

September 11 Families for Peaceful Tomorrows

Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops

Women’s Commission for Refuge Women and Children

Working Families Activist Network

Workmen’s Circle/Arbeter Ring

World Relief

[Pacifist Patriot]

1. Hanging my head in shame to ask a few questions.

Pleading my case here, I've been up to my eyeballs in academic work with a particularly rough couple of weeks. I'm vaguely familiar with the ID Bill, but not nearly as much as I should be.

Who is Chertoff?

What are the key provisions of the law?

Oh, and if it's fascist it doesn't surprise me in the least that Weldon (FL) voted in favor. He is a pitiful excuse for a congressman.

[genius]

2. Chertoff is the Secretary of Homeland Security

He was involved with the 9/11 financiers and with money wire transfers that went to bin Laden before 9/11. He is a proponent of water board torture.

Under section 102 of the Real ID Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security can waive all laws (no exceptions). Which laws are in the Sec of HS's sole discretion and no one can question him. The courts are not allowed to tell him "no" as the law specifies that there is no judicial review and no relief.

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. WTF????

Thanks for the heads up. Whoa!!!! Has this gone to the senate yet?

[genius]

4. No. We have to work on our Senators. Vote is first of next week.

[Pacifist Patriot]

5. I'm on it!

Thanks again. Nelson and Martinez will be hearing from me tomorrow. Found this http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05101/486172.stm which should give me a good jumping off place.

[spooked911]

7. What are the chances supposed to be for this in the senate?

[genius]

9. I don't know. The bill was never discussed on the floor of the Senate

The Republicans pulled in out and then added it back in the conference committee. Our guys should filibuster. But our Senators generally have worse voting records than the Representatives. So we need to really get to work on these guys. There are so many groups opposing this measure that is is unbelievable that our leaders aren't listening. Just keep calling. Also fax the list. Maybe we can get through to them.

[spooked911]

6. Oy. God help us.

[dogday]

8. I had read that the wall in San Diego would be completed

As part of the National ID Bill.

[genius]

10. They don't want to follow the law when they do this.

Chertoff is expected to gut all environmental laws in Southern California in the construction of this fence. Hope the residents of San Diego life breathing DDT.

[Independent_Liberal]

11. Contact them and tell them how disappointed you are.

Make some noise people!

[Disturbed]

12. Total shit like this is passed while ...

the Lame Stream Media is reporting on CRAP. AMERIKA is losing Liberty and Freedom as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are being trashed by Rethugs and complicit Dems.

[mr715]

13. NO IT DOESNT NO IT DOESNT

Stop it! STOP SAYING IT AUTHORIZES DEATH CAMPS.

It centralizes personal information and is a violation of privacy. But it doesnt, DOES NOT authorize death camps.




M

[thecai]

14. Kick

this is a pitiful shame, IMO.

[obreaslan]

15. And Kick again for the morning crowd...

Call your Senators!!!! This must be stopped.

This is essentially the authorization to create a national ID card. It leaves the door open to make carrying this ID card mandatory. Don't be surprised, if this is passed, to one day have a police officer stop you at random in the street and ask "do you have your papers?" :scared:

Sorry for the over dramatization, but this is really scary.