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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:20 PM
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Repubs always have to have an enemy before they can unite....
Right now, their enemy is the "liberal left". Not a very strong one, yet still an enemy. It is their hatred and animosity toward the left that unites them. They do not look at issues rationally or in a factual manner - they only look at it from "our side" or "their side". If there were no enemy on the left, they would self-destruct, I am convinced.

Once they push thru Bolton and if they vote to undo the "filibuster" rule, they will have defeated their enemy, the "liberal left". They will celebrate the "victory. There will be no more battles for them to win, from a political standpoint. The next enemy is themselves.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:26 PM
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1. Ha are you kidding?
If there was one democrat left in the senate - he would be the son of a bitch responsible for everything that is wrong with the world. If there were NO democrats left in the congress, they would still hate "liberal" judges. If there were no judges nominated by democrats left, they would still be complaining about judges corrupted by the liberal media. This will never be over for them.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:31 PM
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2. Yes, they would still hate that one liberal but...
If they win on this Bolton nomination and they do away with the filibuster rule, they have kicked our asses but good and they will see that as a victory that opens the door to do whatever they wish. And who's to stop them?
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Debs Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:33 PM
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7. True, it will never end
No liberal judges? Its those liberal schoolteachers, they are gone, its the liberal union members. If they had to it would go all the way down to those darned liberals that raise tropical fish. It will never end because they know they have to make up new enemies
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susan6970 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:59 PM
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3. TAKING SIDES
"It is their hatred and animosity toward the left that unites them."

So what is it going to take to unite us?

"They do not look at issues rationally or in a factual manner - they only look at it from "our side" or "their side"."

Isn't that the way the game is played? Facts don't win games - or wars. Ideals do. Isn't that the way YOU are playing it right now? We do the same thing.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:16 PM
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6. I think you will find there is much more division here...
if you stay a while... We have not had Repubs as an enemy, up to now...
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:02 PM
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4. common enemy is an essential element in Fascism ..link
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:10 PM
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5. Thanks for the link, here's another that details religiosity...
and the need to have an "enemy":

<<snip>>
Political Research Associates works to facilitate public understanding of the threat posed to human rights by oppressive and authoritarian right-wing movements in the United States. Founded in 1981, we are the premier national organization studying the full spectrum of the US Political Right - from ultraconservatives in the electoral arena to paramilitary organizations to supremacist groups. Through our research and publications, and as a national resource and support center for activists, journalists and others, PRA helps to build the movement for progressive social change and promotes democratic values and principles.
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Here's an excerpt:

The Politics of Apocalyptic Millennialism

...Right-wing populist movements can cause serious damage to a society because they often popularize xenophobia, authoritarianism, scapegoating, and conspiracism. This can lure mainstream politicians to adopt these themes to attract voters, legitimize acts of discrimination (or even violence), and open the door for revolutionary right-wing populist movements, such as fascism, to recruit from the reformist populist movements.

According to Richard K. Fenn:

Fascist tendencies are most likely to flourish wherever vestiges of a traditional community, bound together by ties of race and kinship, persist in a society largely dominated by large-scale organizations, by an industrial class system, and by a complex division of labor. Under these conditions the traditional community itself becomes threatened; its members all the more readily dread and demonize the larger society.121

Fenn argues that apocalyptic themes that lead to this tendency can be found in all three of the political tendencies examined in this study: the Christian Right, Patriot and armed militia movements, and the fascist right.122

By understanding the apocalyptic and millennialist roots of the conspiracist narratives peddled by right-wing populist forces, we can better understand why their claims--that seem on the surface to be outlandish--nonetheless resonate in certain alienated sectors of our society.123
<<snip>>

http://www.publiceye.org/apocalyptic/Dances_with_Devils_2-01.html#P256_74769

And here's an excerpt discussing the "new enemy," secular humanism:

<<snip>>

From Red Menace to New World Order ...

Apocalyptic millennialism provides a basic narrative within the US political right, claiming that the idealized society is thwarted by subversive conspiracies.13 During the 1980s and 1990s, the main demonized scapegoat of the US hard right shifted seamlessly from the communist Red Menace to international terrorists, sinful abortion providers, anti-family feminists, homosexual "special rights" activists, "pagan" environmentalists, liberal secular humanists and their "big government" allies, and globalists who plot on behalf of the New World Order. The relatively painless nature of the shift was due in part to the basic underlying apocalyptic paradigm, which fed the Cold War and the witch-hunts of the McCarthy period.14 To understand this dynamic requires stepping back a few paces to the roots of fundamentalist belief.

One of the core ideas of the fundamentalist Christian Right during this century has been that modern liberalism is a handmaiden for collectivist, Godless communism. Many conservative Christian anticommunists believe that collectivism is Godless, while capitalism is Godly. They often link liberalism to Godless collectivism; then to the notion of a liberal secular humanist conspiracy; and finally conclude that globalism is the ultimate collectivist plot. Prior to the collapse of communism, many leaders of the new Christian Right had already embraced a variation on their long-standing fear of secret elites in league with Satan: the secular humanist conspiracist theory.15 According to George Marsden, the shift in focus to the secular humanist demon:

"...revitalized fundamentalist conspiracy theory. Fundamentalists always had been alarmed at moral decline within America but often had been vague as to whom, other than the Devil, to blame. The "secular humanist" thesis gave this central concern a clearer focus that was more plausible and of wider appeal than the old mono-causal communist-conspiracy accounts. Communism and socialism could, of course, be fit right into the humanist picture; but so could all the moral and legal changes at home without implausible scenarios of Russian agents infiltrating American schools, government, reform movements, and mainline churches."16

A number of contemporary Christian Right ideologues promote the secular humanist conspiracist theory, including: Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition; Beverly LaHaye, leader of Concerned Women for America; her husband, the Rev. Timothy LaHaye, a well-known Christian author; and Dr. James Dobson, founding President of Focus on the Family, whose syndicated radio program is on thousands of stations.
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http://www.publiceye.org/apocalyptic/Dances_with_Devils_2.html#P79_10755
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NovaCameron Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:42 PM
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8. enemy?
Really? That is most likely true because they need people to fear something to actually get votes. Their side has already self destructed and we liberals need to sweep up the peices. Yes, we need to say that we are liberal because that is who we are, though the media may put a mean twist on it, we still need to say it.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:35 PM
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9. Republicans are like the WWF
They have to have a clear good guy and a clear bad guy. Black hat and white hat. Dudley Dooright and Snidely Whiplash. Pretty boy and scar face.

They keep it simple and they keep it obvious. No need for deep thinking, folks. It is just as you imagine it is. Here's the good guy and *there's* the bad guy.

Dems on the other hand tend to think. Our good guys and bad guys come in shades of gray. They both have five o'clock shadows. Neither one is terribly attractive. None of them, however, have calloused knuckles resulting from an attempt at walking upright. Our tails are down to the vestigial, too.

Yes, the Repubs have always been playing cowboys and Indians. Nothing new there at all.
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