This really bothers me

[zippy890]

AAARRRGH What is that classy intelligent woman doing with that fatuous arrogant D--k head??

Will somebody help me out? Am I over-reacting? This makes me cringe!

I understand the political reality of reaching across the aisle, but really, this amount to reaching under a slimy rock. (Thats Newt Gingrich, in case you can't tell - photo from last week)

I try and take some solace in the expression on Hillary's face, like she knows whats going on here..

any reassurances appreciated - but no Hillary bashing please, I really like her and want to understand what she can get out of this, besides warts., oh - thats frogs when they piss on your hand.

[emanymton]

1. Strange Bed Fellows.

[Inland]

2. I can appreciate the politics.

Clinton is going back to health care reform, and some pro-buiness conservatives like Newt are going to clamber aboard. We need the cover, and like you said, Newt's a huge dickhead and is a lot of cover.

[knowbody0]

3. i see a smug and defiant

woman taking delight in her own confidence. perspective is everything.

[yurbud]

4. newt can't be president, but thinks he can

Think of the great attack commercials: Newt with divorce papers in hospital room with cancer patient wife, Newt railing against Bill and Monica then sneaking off to his own intern who he later married...the contract with America...

Newt is self-neutered and doesn't even know it. He is responsible for the last GOP implosion that the Dems failed to capitalize on.

[Carolab]

5. No worse than Poppy and Big Dawg in their father-son act.

These Skull & Bones/Social Darwinists/New World Order compadres are finally coming out and making it clear they stand together in the U.S. hegemony.

The differences between them are slight, and hinge mostly on a few domestic issues and some civil rights.

[wyldwolf]

9. oh, no! More skull and crossbones!

[Carolab]

15. Yup. Finally coming to fruition. Newt's a member, too.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/skull01.html

Note the date.

[TheFarseer]

18. The thing that disgusts me more than anything

about the 2004 election is that both candidates were in this things that looks like some sort of super-elite fraternity thing that I have to think stands for something elitist, racist, non-inclusive, sinister and not at all in the best interests of Americans. It made me very sad that those were our only two choices. How did this country get do elitist and oligarchical?

[Carolab]

21. Read the link I posted above.

I think it will help you to understand better.

[cruadin]

6. I think she's being pragmatic in the most positive sense of the word.

If there is to be any meaningful reform on health-care in this country, there is going to have to be some level of cooperation -- yes, even with figures like Newt.

Hillary has a very astute political sense; clowns like Gingrich may think they are using her, but I would say the reverse is true.

[zippy890]

7. From your response and others

I guess I can understand... to some extent.

But Newt? did she have to stoop that low?

[MissWaverly]

8. I disagree, I feel that Newt is not an option

he has done his best to destroy this country with his "contract for
America" No deals with cannibals and predators.

[Toots]

24. Just out of curiosity what part of the Contract on America did you disagre

with. Some of it I agreed with and some I didn't but which part was most destructive in your opinion?

[MissWaverly]

26. what I object to

This year's election offers the chance, after four decades of one-party control, to bring to the House a new majority that will transform the way Congress works. That historic change would be the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money. It can be the beginning of a Congress that respects the values and shares the faith of the American family.

This sounds good but what it really means is the destruction of
legislation insuring our minimum wage, social security, ban on child labor, OSHA, EPA, etc. My sister works in DC, and from the beginning
Newt appeal to corporations, saying that things could be written off,
insuring profits.

[hughee99]

28. I know what your getting at...

but I don't recall an end to the minimum wage, social security, child labor laws, OSHA and the EPA. I can't believe that I'm sticking up for F'ing Newt here, but if this was is goal, he certainly failed. I feel so dirty now, I think I'll have to shower.

[MissWaverly]

31. my sister works in DC

she saw him present to the lobbyists, what he offered behind the
flowery language was corporate freedom from regulation which
is exactly what happened.

[hughee99]

32. I agree, but you specifically mentioned

minimum wage (which was not abolished, or even lowered) and social security (which I don't recall any significant changes to during this period). I don't remember child labor becoming legal in the US, nor do I recall OSHA or EPA regulations being gutted during the Clinton Administration. While I agree that he was certainly a pro-corporate guy, I just don't recall any of the specific changes that you seem to be attributing to him. My point, I guess, was that he was just a lot of talk. Some people seem to think of him as some sort of repuke boogeyman who is responsible for many of the ills that now plague us, but I see him more as a "one-hit-wonder" who had his day in the sun and now is touring state fairs just to get a little free publicity.

[MissWaverly]

33. If we don't act, IT will happen

It's starting now, every day our rights and established benefits
get leached away, 1 step at a time, the purpose is to turn this into
a 3rd world country, another resource for the corporation to enslave.

[liberalpragmatist]

10. Newt at least has a brain

And is a junkie for policy debates. He also has his own political calculations - he's trying to make himself a more acceptable figure so he might be able to run for president in '08. So there's no reason for him to sabotage such an initiative - he stands to gain if it works. He can present himself as "above politics" and "independent" and "bipartisan" and increase his appeal.

Of course, nobody's going to buy it, and Hillary realizes it. If she succeeds, she not only achieves her policy goal, she looks like a moderate and like someone pragmatic and common-sense b/c she worked with Newt. It makes her a stronger presidential candidate. And in the offchance that it actually makes Newt get the '08 Republican nomination (like THAT's gonna happen), she can be confident that she will crush him.

[cruadin]

14. You're right on target--Newt is a shrewd political operator, but...

Hillary is every bit as smart and not ethically challenged like the Grinch.

I think it's a win/win situation -- if successful, then the issue of health-care is advanced and (either way) Hillary is strengthened by having made a sincere and statesmanlike effort.

[Warpy]

11. The latest marriage hasn't been kind to Newtie

He looks like hell.

[stevedeshazer]

12. It scares me

It's why I'm not a Clinton supporter, Bill, or Hillary.

What's the lowest common denominator?

It's in that picture. They DO NOT represent us.

[Goldeneye]

13. This is tactical not personal.

After what Newty did to the Clinton's, I don't think we have to worry about them getting too close. If she gets something positive done under the umbrella of bipartisanship, I can't see how anyone can complain. I would say, if anything, this proves she's sincere...what Democrat would want to work with Newt? :shrug: She's doing it for the greater good.

[n2mark]

17. Hillary and Newt

Healthcare has always been a concern for Hillary, she really needs an opposition to support a healthcare plan, Newt might be the answer. Of course Newt is looking for the presidential nomination, he might be the answer for healthcare. There might be more positive coming from this relationship than we want to admit.

Just maybe they are letting bygones be bygones and working for a solution to a problem.

Just a thought and maybe with a little hope.

[patricia92243]

16. Everybody has somebody at their work that they don't like. We are usually

still cordial to them. The only difference is that we don't usually have our picture taken at our work.

She is at her work - that's all it is.

Edit for spelling

[n2mark]

19. Sometimes enemies become

strange bedfellows.

[RUMPLEMINTZ]

20. If you remember Kerry toyed with the idea of McCain as

a vice presidential running mate. Maybe this will be a "bi-partisan" Hillary/Newt 2008?

[TreasonousBastard]

22. Why?

Nothing ever gets done without opposite sides finding some meeting ground.

Dealing with the devil is not nearly as bad a thing as it's said to be-- as long as you cover your ass.

[dogman]

23. Newt would like to be relevant again.

There are now even bigger assholes running the GOP.

[Eloriel]

25. If you don't want Hillary bashing, best not post about Hillary

to start with.

I'll refrain -- except to say that IMO the pic, and whatever occasion created it, is probably yet another reason for me to dislike her. Intensely. She looks more and more like an opportunist, just like Newt, as time goes on, doesn't she? Tsk, tsk. More's the pity.

[earth mom]

29. I agree with you...

How is denial about Hillarys actions any different than rethugs denial about *s actions? :shrug:

[Hello_Kitty]

27. I spent most of the nineties arguing with dittoheads

Defending the Clintons against the smears perpetuated by Gingrich and his right wing cabal. Hell, what am I saying? I'm STILL arguing with them about the Clintons. So it is more than a little aggravating to see her consorting with him. It feels like a slap in the face.

[LittleClarkie]

30. Which one is reaching farther

Did he have to come to her, or vice versa.

I think he had to reach farthest. I think he was the one who moderated this time, in search of a presidential bid. He's been out of the limelight long enough. He might just pull it off. I like his chances better than hers. Mostly because she's alienating a part of the base.

[mitchum]

34. It sickens me that sonofabitch now has some kind of elder statesman...

status.
He was one of the prime architects of the modern republican pitch/agenda.
WE WOULD ALL BE BETTER OFF IF HE HAD DIED 20 YEARS AGO!

[MissWaverly]

39. his contract for america unleashed corporations to devour US

Our government is now in tatters, a shadow of
its former self, thanks to that parasite

[xchrom]

35. i think it's funny.

and that's all i'm going to say.

[In Truth We Trust]

36. Fuck Hillary and the horse she rode in on -SELLOUT

[tsuki]

37. Newt and Clinton always liked each other, personally.

[XemaSab]

38. ROFL!

"AAARRRGH What is that classy intelligent woman doing with that fatuous arrogant D--k head??"



Sorry, first thing that came to mind....