NEWSWEEK Story NOT DEAD!

[ChiciB1]

Just heard on MSNBC that the story about Koran and GITMO IS NOT totally dead.

Seems there will be an update later today to confirm evidence. Keep your fingers crossed!

[janx]

1. To confirm what evidence?

Didn't Newsweek retract the story?

[still_one]

2. actually they said it "may" NOT be accurate

in reality, I believe they were pressured by the * administration

[JohnyCanuck]

3. Newsweek Got Gitmo Right

Newsweek Got Gitmo Right
by Calgacus*
*Calgacus has been employed as a researcher in the national security field for 20 years

Contrary to White House spin, the allegations of religious desecration at Guantanamo published by Newsweek on May 9, 2005, are common among ex-prisoners and have been widely reported outside the United States. Several former detainees at the Guantanamo and Bagram prisons have reported instances of their handlers sitting or standing on the Koran, throwing or kicking it in toilets, and urinating on it. Prior to the Newsweek article, the New York Times reported a Guantanamo insider asserting that the commander of the facility was compelled by prisoner protests to address the problem and issue an apology.

One such incident (during which the Koran was allegedly thrown in a pile and stepped on) prompted a hunger strike among Guantanamo detainees in March 2002. Regarding this, the New York Times in a May 1, 2005, article interviewed a former detainee, Nasser Nijer Naser al-Mutairi, who said the protest ended with a senior officer delivering an apology to the entire camp. And the Times reports: "A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with the Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans." (Neil A. Lewis and Eric Schmitt, "Inquiry Finds Abuses at Guantanamo Bay," New York Times, May 1, 2005.)

The hunger strike and apology story is also confirmed by another former detainee, Shafiq Rasul, interviewed by the UK Guardian in 2003 (James Meek, "The People the Law Forgot," Dec. 3, 2003). It was also confirmed by former prisoner Jamal al-Harith in an interview with the Daily Mirror (Rosa Prince and Gary Jones, "My Hell in Camp X-Ray," Daily Mirror, March 12, 2004).

The toilet incident was reported in the Washington Post in a 2003 interview with a former detainee from Afghanistan:

http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=5959

[ChiciB1]

4. Thanks For The Info....

Ron Reagan & co-host are discussing this now!

Saying that they're NOT SURE it's WRONG! So I'm just going by what MSNBC is reporting. They said there will be an UPDATE!!

Monica IS spinning this!

[lady lib]

7. Thanks for your post, JohnyCanuck. n/t

[caligirl]

15. We thought so! the small books the report showed could easily

be ripped in half and flushed.

Those idiots!

[underthedome]

5. "Keep your fingers crossed!" For what, so the story can be confirmed?

And more people can die in riots?

[NinetySix]

16. You're right. Keep your fingers crossed that the truth stays under wraps

It's for the best that no one finds out what our Government is really doing. World outrage at this Administration should really be kept to a minimum.

/sarcasm

[ewagner]

18. Respectfully

You're getting mixed up here....

Reporting the story isn't what the Islamic world is upset about. They are upset that it was done to begin with. Bush MUST apologize for American troops (under his command as he IS Commander-In-Chief)defacing Islam as an interrogation technique.

Reporting the story is the DUTY of the magazine and the media in general. If something as disrescpetful or illegal is/was being done, then the media has a duty to report it and the populace must hold those responsible to account.

[ChiciB1]

19. The Media DOES Have A Responsibility!

But are they BIG enough to do it????

My gut says this just may get a LOT bigger, especially since the story has been wafting around for some time now. Isikoff is really very fair and they can't lable him like they did Rather!

I've seen Isikoff many times and haven't always agreed with him so perhaps this could tip the tables. There have been so many "leaks" of this sort about Gitmo but nothing solid. Maybe, just maybe some of the military is going AWOL on the war.

Yes, if it blows up in Newsweek's face it will be terrible, but I'm not sure it will. This corruption has to stop sometime!!!!!!

[Wickerman]

6. Just heard on the radio that Scotty McCellan said the apology wasn't

enuf.

NPR report, said the Newsweek article damaged the credibility of the US worldwide. :rofl:

ok, its really not funny, its so very sad, and even worse that anyone believes this article is why we are so despised.

[Spazito]

9. Ummm, you can't hurt credibility that doesn't exist in the first place

you can only confirm that none exists, lol.

[okieinpain]

13. so wonderfully said. thank you.

[ChiciB1]

10. More Info From MSNBC...

The lawyer on the show said that these stories have been out there for almost 2 years. See above post. I don't think they are going to back down on this one. M. Isikoff is very reputable. I can't remember Jeralynn's (sp) last name, but she was quite adamant!

But what is REALLY scandalous is MSNBC's question of the day. Has Newsweek gone far enough in it's apology? What kind of question is that??? Why don't they just ask an OPINION question such as "what do you think about the story?" True - Not True - Don't Know!

Oh well, I guess "fairness" WOULD be too much to ask!!!

[Spazito]

8. I would SO love this to happen, just to see Simple Scottie's

spin on his spin and to see CNN backpedal so fast the propaganda queens will fly off their chairs.

[Clark2008]

11. Yep... that's what I said

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3663978&mesg_id=3663997

[ChiciB1]

12. Sorry, Did I Step On Your Post???

Didn't mean to, just wanted to kee this out there.

Nothing is absolute yet, and I think we'll find that most of it is TRUE!

[enough already]

14. This could be real bad

If Newsweek can't prove conclusively that this actually happened, the White House is going to crucify them. This will make what they did to Dan Rather look like a stroll in the park.

[Born_A_Truman]

17. Apology not enough?

This coming from an administration who lied to start a war that has killed thousands? This blows me away!!

[Bethany Rockafella]

20. I'm out of the loop on all of this.

Can someone break it down to me of what happened? Thanks.

[blm]

21. Good. Isikoff isn't going to let BushInc roll him. He must've learned from

the failuresof CBS to counter the RW spin.

[killbotfactory]

22. Is the media going to finally grow a pair of balls?

Or are they going to let the White House shit all over their credibility and pin the blame on them?

[ChiciB1]

24. I Just Want To See

Egg on their faces, but preferably cuffs behind their backs!!!!

Like that would happen!!!!

[RUMPLEMINTZ]

23. Sorry, but this just doesn't rile

me up at all. Especially when Muslims have done basically the same thing and there wasn't much outrage about it. Remember this from 2002?

"Catholic priests said that some Bibles were torn up for toilet paper, and many valuable sacramental objects were removed. "Palestinians took candelabra, icons and anything that looked like gold," said a Franciscan, the Rev. Nicholas Marquez from Mexico.42"

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/christianpal.html

[ChiciB1]

25. It's Not Just About The Story....

It's about the fact that some of the media just might be trying to do their job!! It's about not letting the corruption continue.

I don't want to see more violence erupting, but if the "corrupt ones" are stirring the pot, they NEED to be exposed! Now will this really happen? I don't know, but as I said, the "corrupt ones" need to be "outed"!

[RUMPLEMINTZ]

26. If the media were doing their job

wouldn't they have covered the Bible story? Look, I'm agnostic, I could basically care less but what I do care about is consitency.

[NightOwwl]

27. Answer me this...

Do you think the media did their job reporting the fact that there were no WMD's ever found? That there was no connection between 9-11 and Saddam Hussein? That Bush froze for 7 minutes after being told a second plane hit the World Trade Center (pretty important piece of information, considering his job title is Commander-In-Chief.) How about that no-bid contract awarded to Haliburton?

And by the way, it's spelled c-o-n-s-i-s-t-e-n-c-y.

[ChiciB1]

28. I FULLY Agree With You About

how the MSM has completely sold their souls to the "corrupt ones" and frankly have never seen anything like what has happened.

I was just making the point that perhaps Isikoff COULD be a journalist that COULD make some people sit up and listen. He's NOT Dan Rather and doesn't have his baggage.

I was replying to several posts, one being that IF the story turns out to be true, it would possibly cause a great deal of upheaval and bloodshed. However, where would or should the blame be directed?? I don't think there is much question about this answer. Of course, they could and would point the fingers to underlings, but how many times will this sell??

There has to come a time when the JIG is up. I'm just thinking that perhaps THIS time we'll catch a break and some shit will hit the fan.... BIG TIME!

Maybe just wishful thinking, maybe because I've been waiting for so long now.

And I'm glad you caught the spelling, I have a "thing" about that. But hey, I've made the same mistakes myself, but I cringe when I see the ones I've made. It's just my OCD kicking in.