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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:55 PM
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What ever happened to the DSM?
just saying..... :shrug:
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:55 PM
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1. That's so June
get with the times! :-)
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:56 PM
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2. Sorry the what?
Didn't you get the memo from Homeland Security? Those don't exist anymore, and never really did.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:56 PM
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3. What's the DSM?
By the way, how long do you think Paris Hilton's marriage will last?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:58 PM
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4. London, where's that?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:59 PM
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6. I think it's a bar in New York.
:shrug:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-05 11:58 PM
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5. All the memos and lies
will give even the most dense the picture of Bush's lying. He lies and then keeps of going. But the pattern is clear; he lies.
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Check12 Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:00 AM
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7. These guys have so many gates
They could start making their own integrated circuits!

Sorry, nerdy engineer joke
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:02 AM
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8. It's a thing of the past. Just angry Democrats trying to create something.
Please, we're working on the future. Democracy is on the march. Freedom is spreading across the Middle East. Did you know, today, Iraqi policemen are able to step outside their station without being shot? The people of Iraq are experiencing Democracy. We are working to help the people of Africia overcome poverty by sending our businesses over there.

The DS... huh? I don't believe those exist. Now is not the time to talk about that.
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togiak Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:03 AM
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9. Sent to the dust bin of history
As long as the Republicans control what gets investigated and what doesn't these kind of scandals will continue to disappear. That is why the only thing with anykind of legs is the Plame affair since there is an actual investigation going on.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:11 AM
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10. kick for truth................WE NEED A REVOLUTION NOW!
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:33 AM
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11. just when you want to hit the bed at 1:30 am.....
you think you did okay today, you accomplished something... oops..forgot to pick up son's baseball uniform, oops, didn't call back cousin Kathy... oops.. forgot about the DSM. Holy shit.. how screwed up is that? There's so much going on that it's all fading or slipping through my hands..either way... I want to cry.

goodnight.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:50 AM
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12. goodnight, and never give up...........never give up!
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:04 PM
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21. thanks.. I didn't and I won't...just needed some zzzzz's
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:54 AM
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13. Aaaah
Too many angles of attacks. This is one shaky building hey. Well
chimp is a freaking disaster just wonder how long before everything come crashing down.

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:06 PM
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20. We need to tie DSM's together with the outing of Plame
It is all related, when writing letters to the editors or congress, they should be as conjoined twins because they are. Rove outing Plame enhances our argument regarding DSM's.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:13 AM
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14. DSM?????? What DSM???
All I can think about is Terra, terra, terra, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:17 AM
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15. The Senate just got back to DC this week...
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 11:18 AM by ClassWarrior
Call your Senator TODAY and ask whether he or she has signed Sen. Kerry's letter demanding a re-opening of the Intelligence Committee investigations!

June 22, 2005

The Honorable Pat Roberts, Chairman
The Honorable John D. Rockefeller, IV, Vice Chairman
United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
SH-211
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Roberts and Senator Rockefeller:

We write concerning your committee's vital examination of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures. In particular, we urge you to accelerate to completion the work of the so-called "Phase II" effort to assess how policy makers used the intelligence they received. Last year your committee completed the first phase of a two-phased effort to review the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Phase I-begun in the summer of 2003 and completed in the summer of 2004-examined the performance of the American intelligence community in the collection and analysis of intelligence prior to the war, including an examination of the quantity and quality of U.S. intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the intelligence on ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorist groups. At the conclusion of Phase I, your committee issued an unclassified report that made an important contribution to the American public's understanding of the issues involved. In February 2004-well over a year ago-the committee agreed to expand the scope of inquiry to include a second phase which would examine the use of intelligence by policy makers, the comparison of pre-war assessments and post-war findings, the activities of the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) and the Office of Special Plans in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the use of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress. The committee's efforts have taken on renewed urgency given recent revelations in the United Kingdom regarding the apparent minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security advisors. These minutes-known as the "Downing Street Memo"-raise troubling questions about the use of intelligence by American policy makers-questions that your committee is uniquely situated to address. The memo indicates that in the summer of 2002, at a time the White House was promising Congress and the American people that war would be their last resort, that they believed military action against Iraq was "inevitable." The minutes reveal that President "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The American people took the warnings that the administration sounded seriously-warnings that were echoed at the United Nations and here in Congress as we voted to give the president the authority to go to war. For the sake of our democracy and our future national security, the public must know whether such warnings were driven by facts and responsible intelligence, or by political calculation. These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth. We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.

Sincerely,
John Kerry

Co-signers: Sens. Tim Johnson, Jon Corzine, Jack Reed, Frank Lautenberg, Barbara Boxer, Edward Kennedy, Thomas Harkin, Jeff Bingaman, Richard Durbin.


NGU.


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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:20 AM
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16. Stop catapulting the propaganda!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:39 AM
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17. Why use a .22 pistol (DSM) when you have a 10 gauge shotgun (Rovegate)?
I doubt that DSM will languish forever. The media can
only keep a couple ideas in it's head at once.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:55 AM
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18. Why not use BOTH? We have two hands, metaphorically speaking, don't we?
NGU.


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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:24 PM
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23. That's fine with me.
I was merely explaining why that is not happening right now.
Or trying to explain anyway.

I suspect that our friends in Congress are more comfortable explaining Rove the outlaw than why they voted for the boondoggle in Iraq and swallowed (nice image there, eh?) the DSM whole.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:00 PM
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19. I think DSM more important, but the biggest story is all of them together
DSM ight be harder politically since I also believe many dem leaders actually want empire as much as republicans...

...but the idea that our country engaged in a war of choice by lying to congress, manufacturing evidence, and deceiving the american people -- killing 100,000 in the process and running the foreign policy car into the ditch -- is one of the gigantic stories of a generation.

I'm happy to see Rove on a spit, but he may yet wiggle his way out of this one. And even if he doesn't, it is hard to see how administration policy will change. Of course, if Cheney, Bush, or Libby are involved, then we've got something.

I want headlines on all these at once, tied together: Rovegate, DSM, napalm, Abu Ghraib, missing 9 billion, deficits, WMD, Bolton in flames, AWOL, 700 million illegally moved, Medicare lies and bribes, manipulation of terror alerts, environment, global warming lies, etc....ALL TIED TOGETHER AND NOT FORGOTTEN.

THE ROVE STORY IS NOT JUST ONE ASPECT OF THIS ROGUE ADMINISTRATION...IT IS ALL OF THEM CUMMULATIVELY. DON'T LET THEM DEAL WITH JUST ONE SCANDAL that submerses all the rest! The sheer cummulative weight of incidents of incompetence and corruption is staggering and needs to be discussed in public.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:08 PM
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22. let's tie DSM to Rovegate to fabricated WMD data to Cheney
to Rumsfeld to troops dying to abu graib...what is the common link? hmmm...let me see...

oh yeah.

GEORGE FUCKING W BUSH is the key. We should DEMAND impeachment of this crook.

First, go out and threaten all of your senators and representatives with lawsuits and criminal charges. Dig into their business dealings. Find out how to put pressure on THEM to act.

other wise....this is all just latest round of noise and we are squealing pigs still trapped in a cage awaiting slaughter.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:07 PM
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25. LOL I like your thinking here PW!! n/t
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:23 PM
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24. It blew away in Hurricane Dennis.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:33 PM
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26. How do we explain Egyptian, French and German intelligence saying
Saddam had WMDS?
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:38 PM
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27. I'm Not going To Forget About It!!
Just enjoying the Rover thing!

We can just keep at it. I don't think Conyers will let it die!! Perhaps we should get in touch with him. Hillary is getting too much coverage too!

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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:56 PM
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29. What about the Jeff Gannon story? What's happened with that one?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 08:47 PM
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28. It's all rolling into one big happy scandal nt
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:07 PM
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30. DSM is more important to policy..Rovegate for scandal and sensationalism
Both are important, but DSM is Bush...Rovegate only really gets Rove to fall on the sword..and that's a maybe.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 09:13 PM
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31. Plamegate is far worse
The DSM, as bad as it was, is still only a political issue. With the Outing of Plame, and possible perjury, we are talking about actual crimes. If the media has to focus on only one issue, I'd rather it be the more damaging one.
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