For those who may call me a conspiracy theorist. Please read this:

[NoSheep]

This statement, made by a "senior advisor to Bush" is one of the most chilling I've ever read. I believe the speaker could easily be Rove and the hubris, unmistakably BushCo.
This is why I question everything. And I mean everything.

Written by Ron Suskind in the NY Times Magazine Oct 17, 2004:

snip

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

snip

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/sloth/2004-10-16b.html

[whatever4]

1. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain nt

[NoSheep]

2. kicking.

:kick:

[fooj]

3. Not very effective creating their own reality...

these people are warped!

peace.

[Eurobabe]

4. well, the universe has its own way of correcting

those who practice hubris. Obviously these dicks didn't read Greek myths, etc.

Drip, drip...

[AuntiBush]

23. Yes! It's called the period of "Enlightenment."

When we begin to realize these thoughts and troubled, we're getting there - the truth will set all of us free.

Here's hoping the "truth" comes out ASAP! We deserve nothing less.

[TahitiNut]

5. It's the 'philosophy' of TYRANNY in a nutshell.

"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

This is, without a shred of doubt, the manifestation of a pathology: sociopathic and megalomaniacal ... the pathologies of all tyrants.

[Zorbuddha]

28. Exactly. It's the bloody beating heart of BushCo madness.

They will take us all over the cliff with them before owning up to their own brand of crypto-tyranny.

[GoBlue]

6. Ditto

No tinfoil needed. It's there in plain english. If it wasn't Rove, it was his surrogate.

[Gildor Inglorion]

7. An excellent article about this VERY thing...

here's a link: http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3822

[NoSheep]

8. Thanks.

[AuntiBush]

25. Middle Name... "Christian." Befitting for an AntiChrist!

[Julius Civitatus]

35. self deleted

self deleted

[shance]

16. Terrific article.

Thanks.

[AuntiBush]

24. Thanks for the link!

[Jokinomx]

38. Thanks for the link...

It is a fasinating article. Quite disturbing. It sure is a crazy world we live in. I hope yours is going well....:toast:

[shraby]

9. During the debates, Bush made the statement.....

"I know how the world works". Was this what he was referring to?

[NoSheep]

10. Rove told him he could say that ;)

[LiberalFighter]

15. If he knows how the world works then why did he screw up?

[frictionlessO]

11. Hey Thats not proof or evidence that will hold up in a court of law!

You must be trying to make DU look bad! You must be a holocaust denier! A freeper dirsruptor!

... seriosly how can anyone trust one damn thing the government and it complicit media says?

They lied us into a war folks, just what on earth makes you think that wont lie about anything else?

At least here unlike Kos, we are still aloud to speculate. That makes me happy.

[NoSheep]

12. Amen.

[frictionlessO]

13. Praise your lord and pass the tin foil!

Thanks for this timely reminder.

and nom'd as I think there might be a number of DU'ers that need to remember this.

[NoSheep]

14. Thanks for nominating. I duped the post in GD and it's on greatest now.

:hi:

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

17. Very memorable, notable quotation

I never have forgotten that, having seen it back then.

It explains a lot, like they don't care about what we in the reality based community call "facts" or truth.

Good reminder for all of us!

:toast:

[NVMojo]

18. Keeping this kicked for this has to be a Rove Reality Marketing Tip!

[yodermon]

19. Hmm.. gives a new perspective

to the election fraud of 2000 & 2004

[JohnnyBoots]

20. kick

[wrate]

21. This is beyond hubris. n/t

[AuntiBush]

22. Knew it from Day 1: Instincts, Gut-Wrenching Feelings. Great Post!

The only thing history will be sorting out is how so many followed in step w/this "reality creator." Mr. Bubble-Boy & Co. has grown so massive in their treasonable lies, no bubble that huge can sustain without blowing within itself.

I await the burst and hope those in that "new creation of realities" gang are the only ones caught in the draft to follow.

P.S. Did anyone remember all the 9/11 live TV shots of Senator Clinton at Ground Zero... for days I watched her expression of pure, unadulterated "anger." And then when Bubble-Boy gave that 1st speech. Again, Sen. Clinton was the only 1 and whomever it was standing next to her that barely stood in ovations, nor clapped. She had a chilling look on her face.

It's just my thoughts, but it hit me the other day out of the clear blue, like Suskind's thoughts above. Especially when I read a report last night over at the Huffington Post regarding all the money suddenly being withheld from New York for education & Homeland Security. It was then I remembered Sen. Clinton's look - that chilling look.

Coming out of PTSS, shock, and all the damn lies and fear-factors this adm has shoved on us daily I might add (Congressional Rethugs) and there is was. Who was in those Twin Towers? Supporters for things that Bubble Boy's gang couldn't control.

Yeah. I'm no Conspiracy Theorists either, then again I no longer believe in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus or "coincidences" either.

[shance]

26. I think this is appropriate reading for the Joe Biden's and Al Frankens

of the world who believe that diplomatic, passive responses will be warmly received and moreover respected by those who promote war and death and destruction.

Warm and fuzzy, intelligent discourse is not their "lingo".

While we're framing and 'discoursing' they are creating "realities" for us to clean up and blame on the *Islamic terrorists*.

[liberalfriend]

27. But that is sort of true though...

Look at what the guy says, "We're history's actors." That is true of any leader in any country in almost any position. Their actions are what make the news which is then disseminated by us. Chilling is the hubris of the empire comment, yet the point of the comment is absolutely true, especially in foreign policy circles.

[prodigal_green]

29. yep

that's been around for a while.

They truly think we are living in Oz.

[ClayZ]

36. Maybe we should all buy ruby slippers!

Cuz I WANNA GO HOME!




:kick:

[adolfo]

30. Delusional

We can all create our own realities but once you go past a certain point it becomes a delusion.

They can have their fantasy world.

[area51]

31. madness

This shows the absolute insanity of the Bush administration.

[El Fuego]

32. Let's create a reality for rove that involves handcuffs and a jail cell

[ClayZ]

34. I am visualizing Orange Jumpsuits

I see the PERP WALK in my head!

[NoSheep]

40. Now THAT would be a great day!

:kick:

[ClayZ]

33. They don't realize how long we have STUDIED!

"and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore
© John Prine

While digesting Reader's Digest
In the back of a dirty book store,
A plastic flag, with gum on the back,
Fell out on the floor.
Well, I picked it up and I ran outside
Slapped it on my window shield,
And if I could see old Betsy Ross
I'd tell her how good I feel.

Chorus:
But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
They're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.

Well, I went to the bank this morning
And the cashier he said to me,
"If you join the Christmas club
We'll give you ten of them flags for free."
Well, I didn't mess around a bit
I took him up on what he said.
And I stuck them stickers all over my car
And one on my wife's forehead.

Repeat Chorus:

Well, I got my window shield so filled
With flags I couldn't see.
So, I ran the car upside a curb
And right into a tree.
By the time they got a doctor down
I was already dead.
And I'll never understand why the man
Standing in the Pearly Gates said...

"But your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more.
We're already overcrowded
From your dirty little war.
Now Jesus don't like killin'
No matter what the reason's for,
And your flag decal won't get you
Into Heaven any more."


:kick:

[NoSheep]

39. Great song!

:kick:

[the other one]

37. The hubris of the incompetent. nt

[NoSheep]

41. Kickin it.

:kick:

[WinkyDink]

42. One word:

"Ozymandias".

[NoSheep]

43. There you go!

Ozymandius
by: Percy Bysshe Shelley

I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whos frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed;

And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandius, king of kings:
Look on my words, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.