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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:27 PM
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MSNBC just showed Plame's face. I thought the news people were avoiding
publishing her face in order to protect future damage. Does this mean we are going to see her face repeatedly from now on? Isn't this a bad thing.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:28 PM
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1. my goodness
who's smearing who?

Oh, right, talking points say that it's poor whittle rovey poop that's getting smeared.

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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:36 PM
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4. No doubt, I just heard Lou dobbs say the victim in this whole thing is
the Press and Miller. hello? How about the woman who was outed and the people who's lives were put in danger.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:06 PM
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12. Don't know where you are but you must have heard me screaming
(when Dobbs came up with that)....
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:10 PM
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13. right behind you there
screaming my bloody head off.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:33 PM
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2. Her face is on AOL, as well. That really surprised me.
I wouldn't have thought they'd permit that, but there it is.
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050710183509990003
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:35 PM
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3. No, it means they are going to try to make her look bad
So everyone will know her face, and keep KKKarls off of the TV.

They have their ways.... kinda like showing the victim to turn her into the bad guy...

Just a hunch.....
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Zeke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:37 PM
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6. NO Worries...
Can't make her look bad.
She's kinda hot lookin, no?
Nice catch Joe Wilson!
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:37 PM
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5. Attack and vilify the victim. Rove is still at the wheel, don't forget.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:38 PM
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7. It's starting. They are going to plaster her face all over the media in
order to make it seem as if she never cared about hiding her identity.

She MUST file a restraining order on any news outlet that publishes or projects her likeness without her permission.

She MUST make a statement that the projection or publishing of her likeness endangers the lives of other CIA assets.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:40 PM
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8. Was it this one? Are you sure that's really Valerie Plame?
This photo appeared in Vanity Fair (reproduced online at Slate.com) in an article about the Wilsons.

This could be Valerie Plame or it could be a model out of central casting who looks good in a mysterious cloak-and-dagger get up. My guess is the latter.


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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:57 PM
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10. no, it was not that one.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:05 PM
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11. Ok, but it is the one I saw on NBC last night
!!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:28 AM
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19. That is Plame.
Look at the AOL photo. Same chin, cheeks, hair, nose.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:45 PM
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9. They are ruining her career forever
Publishing her photos only works on the Repugs' favor, by vindictively making sure her cover is blown for good, and her career ruined for posterity.

Bastards.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:39 PM
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24. Her career was over the day Novak wrote that article. That's the point.
I think they've been in the background a bit ... but she certainly has been photographed before. They attended social events, church, parties, etc. and people knew that Joe Wilson had a pretty blond wife named Valerie. The secret is that she worked undercover for the CIA.

Publishing her picture is no big deal anymore -- her undercover status is blown forever.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:24 PM
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14. I noticed that last week when...
they first started talking about Rove's implication in the whole mess. I was taken aback because I had understood that her anonymity was meant to be protective of not only her, but of possible associates. It was on all the corporate media...I switched channels to check because I was disconcerted.

I hope it's ok...she's a lot better looking than Rove...but, still?!

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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:38 PM
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15. They didn't even show Kobe Bryant's victim till it was all over
Why dosen't she get the same??
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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 06:53 PM
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16. hey was Plame undercover when she was outed by Nohack?
I heard that when the outing happened she had been out of any secret agent stuff for a few years and was in the process of transitioning to a more managerial role in the CIA? Anyone else hear this (full disclosure: I heard it on Limpballs today)
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:01 AM
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17. she was a noc and it doesn't matter, outing her compromised
the search for WMD and anyone associated with her that may still be working. It all goes to show how serious they (Bush and Co) take keeping us safe. (not at all)
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:06 AM
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18. Does that statement really make sense?
Would they have appointed a special prosecutor and convened a Grand Jury if Plame was not covert?
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liberalfriend Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 12:11 PM
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23. god I don't want it to sound this way but....
what about the multiple grand jury investigations into Clinton? A grand jury will convene basically whenever there is enough pressure on the government to have one. I don't want to sound like I'm defending Bush (I'm trying not too!) but these things go on all the time and they don't actually imply guilt or law breaking just because they've been convened.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:12 PM
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25. Well if I recall correctly
2 years ago when this whole leak went down. It was the CIA that originally had to inform the FBI that in fact an operative had been outed. It was after a lengthy investigation within the CIA that the FBI was then asked by the CIA to investigate. At that point Ashcroft recused himself. Subsequent to that the #2 at the FBI appointed Fitzgerald. That is how I remember it going down. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:35 PM
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26. That is how I remember it too.
All that matter sabout this whole case is that Rove outed a CIA Agent.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:33 AM
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20. Plame appeared in Vanity Fare I believe
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 01:33 AM by fujiyama
with Joe Wilson in a story after the name was leaked.

They were a pretty outgoing couple anyways so after the name was leaked, it was well known who she was. Showing the photo really doesn't make a big difference at this point.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:36 AM
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21. grossly irresponsible
Even if it's not illegal, a compromised state secret should not be publicized in this form, though it's probably difficult to specify what sort of things should and should not be disseminated after already having been leaked.

I would consider it approximately equal to widely disseminating identifying images of a crime victim.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:37 AM
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22. No doubt...
If anyone was compromised by her exposure two years ago, they've already been pulled.
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