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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:37 PM
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Condi Rice has become an absurd figure....
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 09:59 PM by Wetzelbill
It started when her bizarre Mother Hen relationship with Bush started coming to light, and only got worse when she folded herself in with the neo-cons in the administration. For a while, Condi went missing in action. She was pretty invisible off and on for the first few years of Junior's presidency. Then she started popping up echoing WMD propaganda and became one of the leading faces of the rush to war. Somewhat because Condi and Colin Powell had been the only people in Junior's first administration who had a little bit of appeal. The rest were either vulcanized crags like Cheney, obscure goofballs like Wolfowitz, washed-up retreads like Rumsfeld or behind the scenes types like Andy Card. Rice and Powell had broader public appeal. So they became effective propagandists for the White House.

Rice, in particular, utilized her closeness to the president, not to assert her own will and ideas, but to curry favor with the more hard-line elements in the administration, such as Cheney and Rove. Instead of being a moderate voice, as Powell attempted to be and her presumed reputation attested, she abandoned the power practical Realism of her mentor Brent Scowcroft, and opted for the more radical imperialistic vision of the Wolfowitz-influenced Neo-cons. Maybe she had to do so. Certainly, Powell only went along half-heartedly and everybody knew he was going to be gone after a while. Maybe Condi did what she had to do to stick around.

She also took a major turn when the Wilson-Plame affair came about, something which she looks like probably had a role in. On Meet The Press, she denied knowing about the Joe Wilson NY Times op-ed, something that was so ridiculous it made her look foolish, if not someone politically stupid. When Richard Clarke's book came out, his indictment of Rice, in particular, was compelling. Clarke notes that when he first mentioned Al-qaeda to Rice, she looked as if she never heard the term before, and he also effectively makes a case that she never took the threat seriously before 9-11. Shortly, thereafter Rice's testimony to the 9-11 commission was again, almost cartoonish as it unfolded. She spoke with little, if any merit, never saying anything all that interesting or knowledgable. Her one shining moment will probably go down as one of the most out-of-touch "what, me worry?" comments in history. It occured when she was forced to give the name of the August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily brief, which is: "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In US. " After stating this, she then went on to dismiss the content as "historical."

In her nomination hearings, she had a few curt exchanges with Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) regarding her propensity to, not tell the truth, to put it nicely. Rice defended herself of course, however, her comments of the last few years hyping the war and defending the action, have become so wildly off the mark that she trails only the delusional Cheney in unwarranted hyperbole and pure foolishness. (Mushroom clouds, anyone?)Once becoming Secretary of State, Rice immediately made waves by wearing Dominatrix-like outfits. She's widely known for two things. Lying, ineptitude and power dressing. That's pretty much been the extent of her accomplishments as a public servant.

Until she gave her torture speech the other day.

In it Rice stretched the boundaries of the meaning of torture. She insulted governments who are angry over the U.S. using their airspace and airports for extraodinary renditions, by stating that the United States respects the sovereignty of other nations. This at a time when Italy has handed down 22 indictments of CIA officers, with regards to the kidnapping of an Egyptian suspect in the country. This when a German citizen was held and tortured by the government she is part of. This when there have been as many as 800 offending flights over European airspace in the last few years. She just kept going and going. Dissembling in such disingenous ways that I am, frankly, tired of writing about each inanity.

In recent days, she has embarassed the new Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel by telling her the treatment of the innocent German, Khaled al-Masri, was a "mistake," then issuing a statement later on that she never said it. Further hurting our country's reputation in an already distant Germany. Her personal credibility dipping possibly as low as Bush's in the country. Whatever credibility she may have had anyway. The absurdities that comes out of her mouth every time she opens it has long since made earnest listeners tune her out when she starts getting on a roll.

Rice has been credibility challenged for a few years now. You never learn anything valid from her. Listening to her on a Sunday Morning show is virtually useless. She has aligned herself with far-right ideologues so much, that she has burned bridges with both Powell and Scowcroft. She's a full-fledged Vulcan now. Whether she intended to be I don't know. Her recent torture speech may just well become her defining moment. The same way that Powell will forever be remembered for the travesty he put on at the United Nations in front of the world on February 5, 2003. An embarrassment that consisted of little truth, lots of bluster and a record amount of unmitigated gall. Rice's hubris just may have topped that. This White House is a disaster, like a horrible play unfolding before our eyes. We want to leave, but the doors are locked. So all we can do is watch and listen.

And in this theater of the absurd, Rice will be remembered as one of the biggest stars.

That is not a good thing.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:39 PM
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1. Hey Mr. Bill
Condi is Mother Hen to Junior :spray:

I know, she's an extremely bizarre and creepy creature.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:51 PM
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6. it's an odd relationship
We better not act like that when you're my campaign manager. :: shudder ::

:)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:54 PM
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9. When I'm your campaign manager...no we won't have
A bizarre Mother Hen type relationship...remember during the campaign I'm going to be riding some steers...this is incredibly un-Mother Hen like behavior.

:)
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:01 PM
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10. that is definitely un-Mother Hen-like
Is that even a word?

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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:04 PM
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11. Yes
It is. Un-Mother Hen like...is this a word, no, ah just made it up, so ah did!
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:29 PM
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28. there are several problems with this idea....
the prime time sitcom aspects might go over in prime time teevee land but in the real land, is it true? is rice a social friend of bush, or his 'family'? is she really close to bush? how long has she been close? somehow, having a school teacherish woman like rice (even with her oil co. credentials) as a friend, adviser or whatnot seems unlikely of a shallow nasty lil puke like ....the asterick. maybe i just haven't kept up to the news about 'them two' but to be honest, i see bush as a racist, and someone eager to exploit an ambitious black person like rice (and the pigmedia then exagerates the relationship to give some credence to a drama whwn there's just empty gesturing on all sides?)
has there been any in depth incestigative reportage on the bush/rice coupling (yeek!)? how does laura git figure in the appalling little menage a trois (yikes!)? where is the newsmedia? one would think this sorta thing right up whorealley!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:18 PM
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54. according to the book 'b**h's women'
kindasleazy has her own guest house on the pig farm; a couple of years ago kindasleazy said she frequently curled up on the couch 'n watched tv w/ chucklenuts & pickles.
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:40 PM
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2. Yes but her husband
uhh, the preznit I mean still loves her...:sarcasm:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:52 PM
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7. didn't he screw up
once and say "my wife" when he was referring to her? I remember something like that.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:19 PM
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21. other way around...
She started to refer to him as her husband.. an odd slip of the tongue for a single gal...
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:19 PM
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23. oh got it
I knew it was something like that. :)

Thanks.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:43 PM
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3. Well done. Recommended.
Thanks for writing this.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:53 PM
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8. glad you liked it
you're welcome.

(as if my ego needed anymore feeding) :)
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:06 PM
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12. I was looking at a picture of Condi today, trying to examine the way
I felt about her.

At first blush, she might seem like a sympathetic figure. But she's always been a person who has gone along to get along, and become a servant of other people's agendas and ideas because she really didn't have any of her own, except to be accepted. I suspect a deep self-esteem deficit, covered over with many mattresses of "accomplishment". But late at night, the self-doubt is still there, buried deep, and it can't help that she's sold her soul to buy all those mattresses, to no avail.

So I was glad to read your well-thought out analysis of her career arc.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:13 PM
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15. interesting enough she's a well-respected
authority on the Soviet Union. She's a smart woman. I think she may have gotten involved in Republican politics because it made her unique. I mean how many liberal academics are there out there to compete with? How many liberal black people? He skin color and academic credentials make her stand out as a conservative. As a liberal they would not.

Now, she is definitely smart, as I said, but you hit on something when you said she's a servant of other people's agendas. I think she's an opportunist of the first order. She's more of a coat-tail rider than anything, even though intellectually she's as smart as they come. She really has never risen above the stature of a career staffer. She's just not that good enough at policy to be like a Scowcroft or a Zbigniew Brzezinksi. Or even like Colin Powell for that matter. She can't cut it in a leadership role, because she still has to find somebody to latch onto and further herself. That's one reason why she's a Cheney-file now.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:20 PM
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25. Of course I had always heard that she was not only an expert
on the Soviet Union but highly intelligent.

But over the years, I've watched for evidence of that, and I have to say that I haven't seen it. She may be smart, but I've never seen or read any real demonstration of any special talent or intelligence, nor have I ever come across any evidence that she had written or contributed anything of special value to the national understanding of the USSR. I've come to suspect that this was just the hype put out on her, based on reasonable success and achievements, but pumped up to make her seem like a star.


Plus, I can't forget that she once described Mexico as our nearest neighbor, and most important trading partner, when we trade much more with Canada, which isn't, in fact, farther away than Mexico.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:21 AM
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36. hype has played a role no doubt
She has benefitted from writing a book about the Gorbachev era before the fall of the Soviet Union. That's her main contribution to study of the USSR. She was part of Poppy's foreign policy team, which was pretty stellar in some of the Post-Cold War challenges, such as the German Reunification. She also wrote about the German Reunification. So she's got some substantial contributions. It also makes her novelty that her books have a conservative tinge to them. Very Pro-Reagan type stuff, which has been an en vogue type thing for the movement in our country of people who talk tough but really don't do much. She's been opportunistic enough to attache herself to the right people and hyped to the point that she's gotten where she is. By and large, despite her credentials, she's been a coat-tail rider in her successes and pretty incompetent otherwise.

If you listen to her talk, she often comes off as dumber than a box of rocks. She's smarter than that, however, her propensity to lie has really shamed her. I think she's highly arrogant, because she says such absurd stuff, it makes me think that only an overly arrogant person would think others are dumb enough to believe that shit, you know? Her hubris is amazing. I find her disdainful and condescending too. Only Cheney is worse than Condi, imo.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:42 AM
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49. "Pretty incompetent otherwise"--Boy Howdy
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 09:43 AM by suegeo
She was in charge of national security when one of the worst breaches of our national security occurred in Sept. 2001.

To me your statement (quoted above) is vastly understated.

Unless one thinks that Sept 2001 was an inside job, and she was somehow a plotter in that. I personally don't think she would be "smart" enough (and I mean smart in a sick way) to be in on it. But a few CIA agents and some fascists from the middle east, working on the behalf of some corporate deep pockets or a few wealthy families, might be...
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:51 AM
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51. I can't help but think..
.... that her "husband" has taught her the ways of propaganda, the fact that you can say almost anything and no one in the press will really question it, that Americans are not too keen on finding the truth.

She's simply following his lead, and assuming it will work. After all, it's worked for him. To a point.
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:07 PM
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52. Re: her academic reputation
My best friend's dad is a prof and friends with someone who was a teacher of Condi Rice at (I believe) Stanford. The Prof's clear memory is that she had a poor reputation, and that her writing was laughably and almost unreadably mediocre.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:53 PM
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61. Welcome to DU, SupplyConcerns.
That is quite believable to me, based on her public speaking. Thanks for the post.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:35 PM
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59. I see her music as a clue...
She's classical, not jazz.

Classical music requires dedication, determined application, much practice to appear good. Jazz requires that plus creativity, synthesis, sense of adventure. There is also the class issue. Jazz is the vernacular and associated with the working class, while classical music is associated with upper class breeding.

Condi is a parrot, a novelty. She evidences no creativity. She eschews her own culture, to climb into the lap of the rich.

--IMM
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:21 PM
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56. Condi is all about power.
She got what she wanted. Power & closeness to Boy George. I think she's in love with him.

Yes, she is no doubt a smart woman, but as another poster said, she's a world-class opportunist, & becoming a neo-con disciple got her where she wanted to be.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:45 PM
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4. She is one unattractive person, in my opinion...
The inside is reflected on the outside, I think.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:50 PM
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5. well, who would want to marry the female equivalent of Darth Vader?
:)
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:11 PM
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14. maybe someone like...
Wolfowitz, who recently said Iraq is no longer his problem.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:17 PM
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19. yes, I saw that
You really have to hand it to Wolfie. No shame whatsoever. I think the only person in recent memory with less shame than Wolfie, might be Brownie.

Cheney don't count. He's in another league. They should change the word "shame" to "Cheney." As in, damn, could that hypocrite get any more Cheneyless than he already is.

It's kinda like getting Munsoned out in the middle of nowwhere. :)
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:04 AM
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35. i love that idea...
he truly is in a league of his own.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:09 PM
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13. Condaleeza Lies
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:13 PM
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16. yes she does
:)
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:01 PM
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62. And She's Pretty Lousy At it At that.
If I can read between her mundane lies, most can as well.

She's also a disgrace and huge embarrassment to our country, but she's had a good trainer. Opportunist, riding the high-wave of elite status-quo is all she's really about.

Now, she's transparent, negatively so. That's what I see when I can stomach watching, rarely nowadays.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:20 PM
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24. Condi lied to the faces of the 9/11 widows
when she said the 8-6-01 "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" PDB did not warn of new attacks.

It says:

"FBI information... indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with
preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal
buildings in New York.

"The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers
bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that
a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/

Of course that's only the page-and-a-half of the memo we've been permitted to see. German news media
said the PDB was actually 11 pages long.


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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:15 PM
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17. You have to be a special kind of idiot to get yourself embarrassed by
Angela Merkel, who is herself a complete idiot.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:19 PM
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22. oh you Britishers just like to
whip up on poor Angie. Back off! :)

Britishers, that's a Bushism. :)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:21 PM
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26. Do you remember when Junior called the
Pakistani's "Paki's"? What a moron...of course knowing him, he did it deliberately knowing that "Paki" is a racial slur.

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:24 PM
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27. my favorite is when he called the Greeks "Grecians"
hahaha
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:52 PM
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29. Heck
He did call Greeks Grecians didn't he!

Junior was probably thinking of Grecian 2000, afterall he gets a bottle of it poured over his head twice a week.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:16 PM
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18. during Katrina she was busy buying shoes....not that smart. eom
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:18 PM
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20. but they looked so good, I'm sure!
:)
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SONUVABUSH Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 10:57 PM
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30. Hardliner Condy says......
America doesn't use or condone torture..... but our interrogation techniques save european lives. What kind of horse crap is that? Does she think the people of the world are stupid?
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:08 PM
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31. "No one could have imagined they would use planes as missles"
That was the first blatent, outright and complete lie...and a most deadly one.


...and what about those 9/11 war games...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:43 PM
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34. An absolute low point in our entire history of governance!
I saw this live since I was a bit to close to the VA ground zero (my daughter was about a mile away when the Pentagon was hit). I take it personally when a big lie is told in a big way. It's just appaling! This is one for the ages. She will live on as our very worst Secretary of State and should win KO's "Worst Person in the World" at least three nights a week.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:06 PM
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64. Extremely appalling!
Worst ever, is right.

How do they sleep at nights? Beyond normal human comprehension.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:22 AM
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37. oh lord, I should've used that one
that's bad. I forgot about it.

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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:14 PM
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53. Yes, consider she was out there implanting the story and repeating it for
days. Consider it was not only a lie to cover up not being prepared, but to conciously thwart any inquiry as to just why, after many subsequent revelations show, that they DID not only 'imagine', but ran drills and put in safeguards considering such a scinario in the past. WHY WASN'T IT IN PLACE ON 9/11?

And again, waht about the 'war games' on 9/11 that just so happened to mimic what actually occured.

Much more than a statement of ignorance on her part, she was providing a cover for a cabal of mass murder upon US citizens.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:19 PM
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32. Condi Rice - sycophant #1
She's a caricature of herself - a joke in her own right, a fool, a liar. The perfect republican.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:23 AM
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38. classic sycophant
you have that dead on.

The perfect Republican, haha. :)
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:24 PM
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33. No. She is a war criminal.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:24 AM
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39. she's been that for a while
Plus, people can be more than one thing. And, she's a few that I can't really repeat on this thread or it would be locked. :)
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:07 AM
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40. "Secretary of State" my ass she is beyond pathetic
a miserable amoral bush sycophant she is vile on a good day.
"Secretary of State" not even close
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I Kant Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:17 AM
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41. This Week "Condilies" Tops Herself. Now She's "CondoLoophole Rice"
Rice said that "as a matter of US policy," American obligations under the UN Convention Against Torture, which also bans cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment, applies to US personnel both in the United States and around the world.

This is her new double speak. It was reported widely that she spent last weekend being coached by legal experts before making this trip to confront our allies in Europe. What amazes me is that no one seems to be parsing the right portion of this memorized line from Condi.

All of the emphasis has been on the part of her statement above regarding this country not using torture inside the U.S. or outside the U.S. What everyone should be parsing, is the carefully chosen words that point to "U.S. personnel". That is the loop hole that the legal experts have instructed her to use consistently in her speeches and interviews on her European tour. The UN Convention Against Torture guidelines are not being violated by "U.S. personnel". She is actually correct here, Because we are rendering terror suspects to nations that will do that dirty work for us. Additionally, when, either on U.S. soil or not, we use hired "contractors" to be the ones tipping the board that puts suspects heads below water. As long as "U.S. Personnel" are standing in the next room, when the torture is being doled out, she is actually legally correct in her statement.

I am outraged our country lead by this administration is merely perceived as torturers, let alone that we clearly are. What has happened to our principals? But the arrogance of this boldface lying taking on global proportions by CondoLoophole again, embarrasses me to be an American in today's world. However, just as disappointing is the fact that her word deception seems to be going unmasked, and unrecognized by the media, and apparently the world.

These PNAC WHIGs are so shameful. This has to be the most dishonest and most corrupt administration in American History. They are ruining our great country.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:39 AM
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42. another tactic
since we ship prisoners to other regimes, she said that we do not knowingly ship prisoners to other countries to be tortured. We are assured that they won't be tortured.

"Knowingly" is the key. What she means is, we ship prisoners to other countries, they assure us that they will not be tortured, so they don't "knowingly" condone torture. The assurance they get is subterfuge. Everybody knows what is going to happen, but the U.S. gets plausible deniability.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 01:49 AM
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43. But she can play a mean piano ...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:14 AM
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44. "Rice has been credibility challenged for a few years now."
The day she came out to say "we had no idea planes would be used as weapons", or some such, was the day I knew her only purpose was that of a liar for BushCo.

Nice outline of a creepy gal who gets creepier all the time. :thumbsup:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:35 AM
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45. The Condi has succumbed to the Power Intoxicates Syndrome
She will whore for the Power, the Ego, the Attention her position demands.....

In accomplishing reaching SOS...she has revealed she is no more qualied than Brown of NOLA Notoriety ...she too is a Peterette...a crony, an Unqualified. Unfit Teammember of BushCo.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:53 AM
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47. Despite that concern a couple months earlier.
Bush stayed on an aircraft carrier out at sea during an Italian conference since there were warnings that planes could be used to fly into buildings. But, she forgot that by a couple months later in time to thwart 9/11, an event from which she gained power, stature and probably a rich portfolio along with Jr.

She will always be the lady who forgot about planes flying into buildings somewhere between June and September 11th.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:37 AM
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46. A great cartoon....
..from a New Zealand news site today.....

http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3505513a2580,00.html

(Note the restaurant name)
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:46 AM
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50. I do find it odd that first Gen. Powell and now Condi Rice
are paraded out to lie to friends and foe alike....
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CrackpotAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:58 AM
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48. Very Nice...
nominated!

:kick:
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:09 PM
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55. She is certainly absurd to us on DU
Edited on Fri Dec-09-05 02:12 PM by TheFarseer
I don't think she is elsewhere. People think she is "smart" "well spoken" etc etc because the TV tells them that. I think she has no common sense, no ability to think on her feet, little tact and is generally in over her head. She also strikes me as a social misfit. The idea that people want her to run for president is ridiculous to me. Can we really have a president whose only real skill is an ability to read from a teleprompter and not question the absurdity of what they are making her say?
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:57 AM
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67. That's because she's Black
and she is a conservative holding a highly visibile seat of power. I think that has the propensity to temper people's comments.

Even in the Black community, where Condi is not held in high esteem, there is reluctance to criticize her. After all "We don't want to criticize one of our own"

But screw that, eveyday that passes where she and the rest of these madmen storm around the world acting like petulant little children opens more people's eyes to their true nature.

Or at least I hope so.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:26 PM
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57. Yep Powell has the UN Speech, and Condi has the torture speech
Hopefully, history never forgets
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:18 PM
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58. "Become"?
That camel's back broke long ago. . .
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 01:22 AM
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65. can't argue with that
:)
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 06:50 PM
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60. Contbelieveya Rice
liar.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:01 PM
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63. Excellent Post. K&N
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 02:10 AM
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66. Too many Dean threads in GD:P, so I thought I'd kick Condi's ass
back up to the top.

It was getting too fabulous, I had to balance things out.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 08:26 AM
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68. A woman of profound shallowness
Scratch beneath the surface and there's nothing original or genuine there. I see her as hollow, wooden and phony with no substance, character or personality whatsoever. Plastic people irritate the hell out of me and I have a tendency to automatically tune them out!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 07:43 PM
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70. she's wholly unoriginal
that woman lacks substance in spades. If that makes sense.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 09:23 AM
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69. She is definitely another turd on the tree.
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