Guess Which DiNOs sold you out

[Don1]

on the Patriot Act in the House just Wednesday?

Final vote: 251 Ayes to 174 Nays to 9 Not Voting. 18 Republicans defected to go up against the Patriot Act. If all Democrats stood fast, they would have won against the Patriot Act 218-207. However, 44 Democrats sold out on Americans' civil rights:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll627.xml

Now, I posted a list of 26 DiNO Representatives 4 days before the vote occurred here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2303592

I got a little flack some here for posting that list of DiNOs and guess what? 73% of the Dems that were listed as DiNOs in that thread voted to keep the Patriot Act.

They are not only not representing us, but they are also a part of the problem, leading the country down a path of no return toward fascism.

[niyad]

1. thankfully, salazar wasn't one of the 44., although I worry about his

brother often.

[radio4progressives]

2. salazar has a brother in Congress? there's two of them? n/t

[niyad]

8. john in congress, ken in senate--this election shocked the repukes

here in colorado, since the dems also took over the state legislature. however, I have a lot of problems with ken, who frequently votes like a DINO. I keep telling him that if we had wanted a conservative catholic republican, we could have voted for pete coors.

[CrispyQ]

40. The only correspondence I get from Ken in resonse to my

correspondence is contribution requests. :banghead:

However, to his credit, I did read that Ken will stand with the dems on the fillabuster of the patriot act.

[Idioteque]

47. Ken was one of the first Senators to sign Russ Feingold's letter.

I think he's with us on this one.

[radio4progressives]

48. cool. did you catch Feingold on Washington Journal this morning?

of the half dozen or so callers, only one seemed to be a straight up kool aid drinking reactionary - (supports bush 100% no matter what he said or does - attacked Feingold because he voted against the war, no matter how principled and factually based that vote was) seemed like most of the callers supported Feingold's position on the Patriot Act (?)...

[Idioteque]

59. Yeah, he was awesome.

I really hope he decides to run for President.

[radio4progressives]

3. these people need to be strung and quartered (metaphorically speaking)

it's amazing, isn't it?

this is going to make it all the much harder for Feingold in the Senate tomorrow. He'll need our support - big time.

[bluestateguy]

4. Just wait until we have a Democrat as president

Our people can have a lot of fun with the Patriot Act. We can have all of the anti-abortion groups declared as terrorist organizations, shut down conservative talk shows and jail Ann Coulter as an enemy combatant (and rendition her off to some secret Polish CIA prison).

[radio4progressives]

6. there's an idea! Let's start with Sensenbrenner!

:woohoo:

[madfloridian]

5. The same ones which will not fight to get us out of Iraq.

I am very upset with a whole lot of Democrats tonight.

[Don1]

9. We need to focus on Republicans

mostly. And we need to send these DiNOs a message (1) by editorializing (2) by organizing and (3) by primary challenges to take the ones out who live in progressive congressional districts.

People keep saying we need to focus on taking the majority...but there will be NO MAJORITY if these guys only keep voting with the Dems 50% of the time like they normally do.

[win_in_06]

23. Yes, I agree. Get control of the House first, then weed out the bad ones.

[radio4progressives]

49. Bingo!!

:toast:

[LWolf]

18. I'm with you on this one.

How many times can we be called on to compromise progressive values and issues in the effort to "unify" when our elected representatives won't unify around issues of civil rights?

[Justitia]

7. EARL POMEROY, aka Dean Basher - why am I not surprised???

Now, someone tell me again why the fuck I would ever listen to this asshole over a Howard Dean????

[Don1]

11. You shouldn't listen to him.

You shouldn't especially because he is a Blue Dog:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/4/28/152434/381

Those guys also voted for the Bankruptcy bill among other things.

[Justitia]

13. Wow! Those stats are amazing! Banish the Blue Dogs, they are poison

now I clearly see how they absolutely drag down our voting power - they only vote with us slightly more than half the time!

I love this one though:

"Adam Schiff, who has stayed with the party ten out of ten times, and who is both a DLC member and a Blue Dog, gets the WTF? award of the 109th caucus."

HAHAHAHA - maybe he just thought he should sign up for every Dem group that sent him a mailer?
In any case, he's a keeper.

[welshTerrier2]

10. "The DCCC is now chaired by Congressman Rahm Emanuel"

well, Rahm, be sure to give me a buzz about making a contribution to the DCCC ...

it will give us a chance to chit-chat about your vote on the Patriot Act ...

[Don1]

17. Interesting

Do you think Emanuel decided to chair the DCCC on behalf of the DLC? This way they could push a DLC agenda onto new candidates they were funding? I heard that they have locked out some progressive Dems in about 4 states now by endorsing other Democrats before primaries. It's interesting to see what they are doing. Hopefully, the people will rise up and make the decisions for the party instead of this elite ruling class.

[rqstnnlitnmnt]

22. didn't catch his vote

wow, just fucking wow.

what a little tool.

[Nutmegger]

12. I found your list

informative despite the commotion. Hard to believe that this wouldn't have passed if all the Dems stuck together.

[EFerrari]

14. Welcome to DU, Nutmegger

:hi:

[Don1]

20. Thanks.

Yeah, this kind of thing is hard to believe. It's why I go to thomas.loc.gov and other .gov sites to look these things up. The numbers don't lie.

It's a very interesting fact that the Dem Party in Congress is a coalition of factions that vote very differently. Many, many times, the Blue Dogs screw over the people. Bankruptcy bill in favor of banks. Voting to limit insurance/malpractice suits in favor of insurance companies. Welfare "reform," which actually started out as the "Welfare Elimination Act."

FDR is rolling over in his grave, permanently haunted by the Republican lites in the Party voting to take economic justice away and give funds and more rights to corporations.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

26. It's hard to say it would have passed

Some of the repugs voted against it knowing it would pass anyway. If the issue was in doubt, some of them would have changed sides.

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[lostnfound]

16. TX Henry Cuellar, election thief, who stole it from progressive incumbent

Ciro Rodriguez, by finding extra votes in his friend's bank vault.

And what do you know, he is a vote that Bush can always count on.

Sometimes it's not that the people elect bad democrats, sometimes they are wolves in sheep's clothing and are foisted upon us. Cuellar is no more of a Democrat than Bush or our Governor Rick Perry.

[mmonk]

19. Yes, these people need to be abandoned

in terms of support from those of us that support the Bill of Rights. I know that I'm reserving support only for individual candidates. We have only one Bill of Rights and only one representative democracy to protect. I won't go against either concept.

[jonnyblitz]

21. yeah, there are a few here that want you to STFU and be

a "good German". screw them!!! we need to know who is selling us out on the seriously BIG issues like this. the Patriot Act SHOULD have been a no brainer. this is seriously PATHETIC. these assholes should NOT get a pass on this one. this is not one "minor" issue we should overlook as some of the "as long as they have a D next to their name" cheerleaders will tell you. :eyes:

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. "Not represetning us?"

Who do you mean by "us?"

[Don1]

25. Americans.

Americans who want their Fourth Amendment rights and ability for a writ of habeas corpus and due process to remain intact.

What do YOU mean by "us?"

[Freddie Stubbs]

28. Few Americans objected to the PATRIOT Act when it was first passed

Do you have any evidence that most Americans object to it?

[Don1]

31. Few Americans even knew what the PATRIOT ACT was when it was passed

Do you have any evidence that the Patriot Act doesn't remove your civil liberties?

Do you have evidence that liberals and the American Conservative Union likes the Patriot Act? (They don't).

[MrBenchley]

27. Evidently no Democrat could ever have an honest opinion

on the Patriot Act unless they cleared it first with the Junior Joe McCarty Club and found out what they were supposed to think. (And heaven forbid an elected official represent the wishes of all his constituents instead.)

Hence the enemies list update. Because nothing says "progressive" like enemies lists and loyalty tests (snicker).

[Don1]

29. Why do you hate the Constitution?

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional.

[MrBenchley]

30. Between the enemies list and the smears of anyone who criticizes you

you're living up to your role model and showing your true "progressive" colors (snicker)...



By the way, exactly WHICH court found the whole Patriot Act unconstitutional?

[Don1]

33. The whole doesn't have to be.

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[Don1]

39. Something that has multiple provisions which are unconstitutional

is itself unconstitutional.

Why do you like guys who take away my civil rights?

[MrBenchley]

41. In other words, your claim was horseshit....

Take it elsewhere, Junior Joe.

[Don1]

53. Patriot Act is unconstitutional.

[MrBenchley]

55. You must double down and hit on 17 at blackjack, too.

[radio4progressives]

44. Amazingly Arrogant, Stupid, Reactionary, and just plain WRONG... n/t

[MrBenchley]

45. In other words the claim was horseshit

and you hate when facts intrude upon your fantasies...

[radio4progressives]

43. between making the flag and the patriot act more important

than the constitution, you're living up to your fascists role model.

[MrBenchley]

46. If I was a fascist, I'd insist on ideological purity....

...draw up an enemies list....distort what critics say.....

[radio4progressives]

50. Actually, that's exactly what you DO here in this forum.

To you, any and All DLC critisms are simply discredited utterings from the "left fringe" or "left Lunatics" - (no other definition for "left fringe" have you ever provided)- therefore, by definition dlc critics fail the moderation purity litmus test that you set up and insist upon.

[MrBenchley]

51. That IS a big laugh....

"To you, any and All DLC critisms are simply are discredited"
Yeah, I discredit them all the time. For example, this claim that "the Patriot Act is is uncostitutional" is discredited; it turns out to be horseshit.

"the moderation purity litmus test"
I've never said "boo" condemning progressive candidates, progressive action, or demanding moderation. Now you and the other McCarthy-wannabes can go pout about me spoiling your ugly little fun.

[Don1]

52. Patriot Act is unconstitutional, Mr. Bush.

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[Don1]

56. George Bush agrees with you.

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[radio4progressives]

58. MrBush doesn't get it... The Patriot Act is AGAINST the Constituion MrBush

:spank:

[Don1]

60. Yup. n/t

[400Years]

32. He's never said a disparaging word about the Patriot Act

I think he wants fascism judging by his behavior.

[Don1]

34. He fails to address content.

Nothing at all on his "honest opinion" of the Patriot Act.

[ochazuke]

35. K.C. Area Sell-outs: Moore and Skelton

Cleaver voted no, thankfully.

[KansDem]

36. Yeah, that bothered me too.

I thought Moore, although a fiscal conservative, was a bit more progressive on social issues, but I now must rethink my assessment of him after seeing yesterday's vote. :grr:

[Clark2008]

37. I am so proud of Harold Ford Jr.

He is fast leaving his DLC ties as he campaigns around the state for Senate. I have watched him become less and less DLC over the past few months and it's showing.

I think in talking with average Tennesseans, he's realizing that the working-class people of this state are tired of being taken advantage of by corporatist. Are tired of the federal government trodding into personal decisions and are tired of this fucking war.

:applause: for Ford for not voting to extend the Patriot Act and for becoming more of a progressive-moderate and less of a DLC corporatist.

[Debau2005]

42. SURPRISED!

My evil Republican rep, Tom Price (GA), voted AGAINST IT! I am shocked!