A thought for Kerry supporters to consider

[NWHarkness]

Perhaps a little less mockery of the supporters of other candidates, and a little more thought about how to get them enthused about backing Sen. Kerry, should he be the nominee, would be a good idea.

Just sayin'.

[cindyw]

1. I'm sorry, who are you talking to? Where is this happening? You can't even

make fun of people or your post gets erased. SHow me that this is happen on a large scale, enough that you can say "Kerry supporters" are doing this.

[rjbrooks]

2. I agree with this 100%

Kerry was my No. 2 choice for months but some of his supporters here on DU have really soured me. I will still vote for Kerry if he is the nominee, however, I will not support (monetarily)him unless there is a change of tone here.

[wryter2000]

4. I'm not a Kerry person

So, I'm not defending the Kerry supporters here. But I won't let rudeness on a non-Kerry website determine how I feel about him as a candidate. That goes for all the candidates.

[boxster]

14. So, you're going to let a very small segment of the Democratic

Party influence your decisions on whom to support?

The "tone" here is very much human nature and very likely will not change until we have a nominee (perhaps even then.)

Let me suggest that you not let the actions of a very, very small percentage of a candidate's supporters negatively reflect on that candidate. We're voting for candidates, not their supporters.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi rjbrooks!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[KFC]

3. We don't need to rally Democrats/progressives. We own them.

We need independents and crossover Republicans.

[CWebster]

5. Wrong.

[Melinda]

6. "We don't need to rally Democrats/progressives. We own them."??

Is that right? And who exactly is the "WE" who thinks they own ME?

[ibegurpard]

7. Then why are you wasting your time here?

By the way, your post was a perfect example of what the thread starter was talking about.

[KFC]

15. I just speak the truth

Democrats/progressives will vote for Kerry in the GE. That is a given. (Have you heard of GW Bush?) I think Kerry can bring a lot of independents/republicans over to our side.

In any case, ABB.

[Melinda]

18. LMAO, I need some of what you're partaking of, friend. :-) eom

[milkyway]

21. Totally wrong. Some will figure that their one vote won't decide the

election anyway, so they'll stay home, vote for Nader if he runs, or write in their candidate. Don't you think it's a little early to be acting so smug? Let's see how Kerry holds up for a few weeks wearing a bullseye before we coronate him.

[corporatewhore]

25. Not all progressives are democrats just like not all dems are progressive

[corporatewhore]

19. Progressives arenot owned by kerry kkerry is owned by big corps

Nafta need i say more

[Hoppin_Mad]

24. Would that be the 'Pro War - Pro Patriot Act' Progressives ? -nt-

[Skip Intro]

30. I'm not owned by anyone

Don't believe many here are. I used to be abb, but I gotta tell ya, that kind of arrogance has me considering ALL options should the machine succeed in destroying Dean.

[Eloriel]

31. Bwaaaaahaha -- You don't own me, honey

And there are a lot more of us out here who you don't "own."

[KFC]

34. Kerry owns you, not me

Unless you prefer Bush.

ABB.

[ldoolin]

41. I prefer neither.

Okay, then. Given that Kerry is attacking Bush *from the right* on fatherland security, pledging to institute mandatory national service and expand the military, etc...

Convince me that Kerry wouldn't actually be *worse* than Bush when it comes to civil liberties, privacy, and the fatherland security gestapo?

And if Kerry isn't much better than Bush, convince me why I should even bother voting for him? Kerry does NOT have a lock on the progressive vote. If Kerry is the nominee, watch for another Nader to happen, as well it should. The Democratic Party establishment hacks in the DLC apparently didn't learn their lesson from 2000 and need to be taught another lesson. Since the DLC seems to have viewed Dean as a threat, and set out to destroy him and force the DLC-anointed Kerry on us, when we lose big in November we should all know who to blame: The DLC, and the Kerry camp.

[HFishbine]

42. I prefer

a democratic party that will stand up for democratic ideals. Not one that will put a Bush enabler at the head of the ticket.

I would have thought the need for democrats to act as democrats would have been learned from the results of 2000 and 2002, but if it takes four more years of Bush for that message to get through, so be it.

[Iverson]

39. BWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA!! (tears streaming) ...

HA HA HA HA HA
HOO HOO HA HA HA HA HA

(gasp lungful of air)

WAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA
HA HA HA HA HA
ogodican'tstandit!

AAAAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha...

(gasp)

BEEHEEHEEE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(Help me, honey. I think I'm about to pass out.)

BWAAAAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA HAHAHAHAHAHAH

(Oh geez, the room is getting dark!)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahah
(thud)

[ldoolin]

40. That's what Al Gore wrongly assumed in 2000 too.

Lesson learned: Either take progressive stands or progressives will vote for a third party candidate like Nader.

The Democratic Party does NOT have a lock on the progressive vote, and will never have such a lock until it becomes a progressive party once again like it was during the FDR and Truman era.

[Eurobabe]

8. problem is

supporters of front runners always get cocky and sh*t on other candidates. it leaves a sour taste. kerry will get my support after he wins the nomination and not a minute before.

Clark all the way! GO WES!

[polmaven]

9. I posted yesterday,

and will post it again here. Yesterday afternoon, between 2PM and about 3:15...allowing for some interruptions, etc, I went into this forum and did a count with just those threads with yesterday's date...meaning, of course, either started or "kicked" yesterday.

I counted 20 threads begun by Dean supporters with the specific intent of bashing John Kerry. I counted 6 threads begun by Kerry supporters with the specific intent of bashing Howard Dean. Uh..that is more than 3-1, NWH....Who is it that needs to tone down?

[ibegurpard]

12. specific intent of bashing?

that's kind of subjective don't you think? After all, we're just vetting our candidate, or at least that's what everyone was saying when they were ripping into Howard Dean non-stop while Kerry seemed to be an afterthought.

[polmaven]

26. There is a clear difference between "vetting"

and bashing. One of the reasons it took me that long, was because I did not just look at the title of the thread, but needed sometimes to open it and read the original post. Bashing is bashing, and it is far from overwhelmingly against Howard Dean....

[ibegurpard]

27. I'm well aware of that

Do you know how many times I CIVILLY tried to point that out to people who went right on with it?

[Melinda]

16. Ya know what? Lose the broad brush accusations, please.

A very small number of people, ie SOME supporters of SOME candidates start the vast majority of these type threads. Your "20 threads begun by Dean with the specific intent of bashing John Kerry" is factually inaccurate.

Frankly, I find your post simply a continuation and exacerbation of the very problem lamented within.

[polmaven]

23. Factually in accurate?

I learned how to count to twenty a year or so ago.

[Melinda]

29. ""20 threads begun by Dean with the specific intent of bashing John Kerry"

That was your original, unedited post and that is what my comments addressed (you did change it within minutes, but not before I had begun my response).

Context is everything, the ""'s were key. 20 may be the number of threads, however 20 is not the number of Dean supporters who began those threads.

Thems the facts. :eyes:

[NWHarkness]

32. Everyone needs to tone it down

But it is particularly incumbent upon the supporters of the front runner and likely nominee to not turn off supporters of the other candidates. We can't afford to let the nomination turn into a Phyrric victory.

[NashVegas]

36. A Suggestion for You

Browse through the archives, now that they've opened them for browsing.

Start in General Discussion and go back to the first week available, July 6-13.

Skip ahead to the first week of August

Skip to mid August. Early September. Just take the time, skip through every other week or so, and then in December to the GD2004.

See what trends you notice. Maybe you'll have a better understanding of why Dean supporters have let loose.

[Cocoa]

10. I don't mock any candidates

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

11. Mockery???

I don't even know where that comes from. Botox? Gigolo? Palling around with Hanoi Jane? Think you've got some things backwards around here.

[Name removed]

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[ACPS65]

13. NWH

Can you see Larry Johnson from your moral highground?

[NWHarkness]

35. I claim no high ground

And I have given you no reason to respond to me in a snide manner.

I want to see this party unite and defeat George Bush. Ridiculing the supporters of other Democratic candidates is counter productive to that goal. Don't you agree?

[CalProf]

20. I was just called a Sheep for supporting Kerry

by a Dean supporter. There are some people in this forum who are, um, working out their authority issues in unhelpful ways, but to blame their candidate for their supporter's anger management problems is not really fair.

[Maddy McCall]

22. Alert on those kinds of posts...

To call fellow Democrats "sheeple" is derogatory and a personal attack.

[sangha]

28. Consider THIS!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=243277#243396

[MercutioATC]

33. I say they should go for it...doesn't matter any more.

Yes, the nominee gets my vote in the GE, but I wouldn't piss on Kerry if he was on fire at this point...

[NashVegas]

37. My Suggestion to All Kerry Supporters Who Complain About This

Use the search function to find your own posts toward other candidates before you whine about someone bashing Kerry.