California Democrats have been found their Senate candidate

[Padme Amidala]

Last year at the California Democratic Convention, a petition was circulated by individuals eager to find a liberal alternative to Feinstein. Democrat at the convention were all eager to sign it. 9 out of every 10 Democrats I've spoken with say they will not vote for Feinstein under any circumstances. Other Democrats who have been asking the same question say that their results have Feinstein at more of a disadvantage than mine. This contradicts the Republican polls, but it's reality. Feinstein has more support from Republicans than from Democrats. Feinstein will lose in November. Any other Democrat could win.

Boxer, the most liberal of all Senators, got the largest Senate victory of any Senatorial candidate in history. Californians love liberals. They stay home for conservatives, like Davis. Cindy is exactly the kind of liberal that will ignite the voting electorate in California. If Cindy runs, then she will be the biggest Senatorial winner in history in November.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Cindy has no money. Feinstein has money.

[radio4progressives]

10. Cindy has no money, she's selling her little book but she's got

NAME RECOGNITION and I think she can get people to the polls that would normally have sat out on this one. So, it would be interesting.

Personally, I would rather see Barbara Lee run against Feinstein, and for Cindy to run as House Rep FIRST and WIN for experience.

but i think she would have funding vis a vis grassroots funding from all over the WORLD. It is possible.

[Kurovski]

24. Isn't taking campaign contributions from "around the world"

illegal?

[EFerrari]

49. I believe it is. And I hope CS has a bean counter who is good and

smart about these things because youknowwho would love to catch her in an error.

[formernaderite]

26. Cindy has NO money....YET

Just wait....

[zann725]

61. Agreed. The woman has an amazing energy...generates "support"

just by her presence. And would be a gifted and passionate CA rep.

I'd vote for her!

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[Kurovski]

25. Mmmmmmmm...potato chip.

[laugle]

59. Popular, popular, popular, you do love that word,

I've got three words for you--"DAVID AND GOLIATH!!! LOL

I'm now convinced you work for Difi!! LOL

[saltpoint]

60. Don't be convinced I work for Senator Feinstein. If Sheehan is frustrated

by Bush's insane war policy specifically and foreign policies generally, she joins you and me and many other thousands or millions of people.

I respect your position on Cindy Sheehan's senate bid, if it materializes, but as I indicated in another post on DU, I believe she spoke from moral frustration with a corrupt administration and was not taking a sounding for a run for public office.

Cindy Sheehan is attractive to us because we sense in her the fire of truth and we were already frustrated with Feinstien and other Democrats who are not as progressive, or as assertively progressive, as we would prefer.

But that doesn't get her a Senate seat. It doesn't win her a primary. There's no money, no infrastructure, no groundswell, and not all of California Democrats will support her.

I've posted here that I've volunteered when I am in California for Senator Boxer.

[laugle]

72. We all know that it is an upill battle,but I will

continue to hope for a David & Goliath type victory.

My favorite book as a child was "The little engine that could" I think we are in the same age group so maybe you remember it?

It's strange, at such a young age, I had that sense of support for the underdog.

Anyway, you know where I stand, peace to you. Glad you have a sense of humor!

[rinsd]

65. What's wrong with it?

Outside of DU, DiFi is popular. Her inclined to re-elect numbers are hovering around 60% and her approaval ratings has been at or above 52% all year.

"I've got three words for you--"DAVID AND GOLIATH!!!"

Now Duers are basing their arguments on bible stories????

"
I'm now convinced you work for Difi!! LOL"

No argument so you attmept to question motivation? Can't someone on Democraticunderground support a Democrat?

[laugle]

73. Boy are you rude! I've posted my position on this

subject in the California forum and GD&P for almost a year!

My post was an inside joke to Crusoe, whom I had a discussion with on this subject in another thread! He got the joke.

My post was not about bashing anyone, and my position is very clear to him.

And as far a using bible stories, so what, it is a very good analogy for my position!!

So maybe you should not spend your time negatively making assumptions about something you know nothing about!

[One_of_8]

68. I am afraid you are right

I admire Cindy Sheehan very much, and I have been increasingly frustrated by millionaire Diane Feinstein's seeming lack-of-interest in her average constituent. But I don't think Cindy Sheehan could mount even a close race against Feinstein.

[omega minimo]

74. Your foul shit discredits you-- insults women, Cindy, DUers, OP

and "cheapens the discourse for everyone"
:puke:


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[Tiggeroshii]

3. Boxer won with about 61%, right?

Craig Thomas won with 72 in 2000, and I could probably name a number of other Senators who won with far more than Boxer in 04.

[rpannier]

5. Boxer is an established politician with huge funding

She ran against a poor candidate. Equating Boxers success to Cindy Sheehan is folly. Boxer is and will back Feinstein, as did Feinstein back Boxer.

[radio4progressives]

9. correct me if I'm wrong, but i don't think that happened in 2004...

I don't believe that Feinstein backed Boxer... could be wrong, are there articles, reports etc available that stated Feinstein backed Boxer in 2004? (all previous election cycles are not to be considered, the Iraq War changed everything)

[rpannier]

15. Feinstein did support Boxer.

If you doubt check with the Boxer people. She campaigned with her and was listed on her supporters list.

[radio4progressives]

16. I see. They didn't do that together in the Bay Area, to my knowledge

I know that Boxer was "off the beaten path" in the interior valley areas, that's probably where Feinstein campaigned her, and i did read Boxer was meeting in private enclaves, fund raising events.

[Wilms]

6. Actually, I think Boxer was the national percentage champion.

But I think I get what you're saying. And agree.

[Tiggeroshii]

44. What do you mean by "national percentage?"

[tritsofme]

11. Boxer got more votes than any senator in history.

Not the percentage of votes.

Besides Bush and Kerry, Boxer got more votes than anyone in the nation in 2004.

[radio4progressives]

18. I read that Boxer got more votes than Kerry did in California in 2004.

in the millions.. (don't recall the exact figure)

[tritsofme]

23. I'm sure she did.

IIRC Kerry only got 55% of the vote in California, and someone else on this page said Boxer got over 60%

[Tiggeroshii]

45. ...and that person happens to be wrong.

I just checked it out. According the the Sec of State website, http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/ussen/00.htm, she go 57%, and according to wikipedia,she got 59%. Close, but not quite 61 as I said in an earlier post. Sorry about that. Boxer won San Diego county. She did really well, it's quite amazing...

[EFerrari]

48. Boxer took San Diego? Wow! Musta been the women.

:)

[xxqqqzme]

63. numbers not percentages

The only 2 people that got more votes than Boxer were the prez candidates. Boxer received more votes than any senator, in any election.

[ruggerson]

4. Boxer is liberal, smart, incisive and savvy.

Where does Cindy stand on Israel? Healthcare? Reproductive rights? Gay marriage? Teacher pay? Tax cuts? The environment? Energy dependency?

Do you know where she stands on any of these things?

[Padme Amidala]

40. Boxer is not up for re-election. Cindy is liberal on all those issues.

You should google her past statements. There is a reason she was attending the World Social Forum in Venezuela.

[Popol Vuh]

7. Thanks Padme Amidala for posting this

It agrees with what I have been trying to say to some people on other blogs about Feinstein. My last straw with her was back when my union, the ILWU, was locked-out during contract negotiations and when she called on President Shrub to invoke the Taft Hartley Act upon us. And at a time I might add when the shipping companies' solidarity was about to crack.

Well anyway, I was already dubious about her and her corporate whore actions, but that one was very personal with a knife to mine and my union brothers and sisters' back.

At this point in time, I would never vote for Feinstein's corporate whore ass in the primaries -- never!

[and-justice-for-all]

8. Watch this!!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194&q=9%2F11

[saltpoint]

12. From a California-based non-partisan Field poll analysis from Nov. 2005:

***

"U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, who will be up for re-election next year, is heavily favored by voters in her re-election bid. The current poll finds that by a 56% to 37% margin, voters support her serving another term. When matched against businessman Bill Mundell, a possible Republican challenger, Feinstein is running comfortably ahead 61% to 30%."

***

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[radio4progressives]

13. yeah, seen all this before... DiFi is very well connected,, NSA/Pentagon

NASA - she was a trojan horse for the Fascists and the MIC

[saltpoint]

14. I respect your posts, radio4progressives, enough to know that you've

seen established reports and current data. I'm posting it because the groundswell for Cindy Sheehan lately is based on our abiding respect for her guts and clarity (especially against the president's gutless lies), but as admirable as the affection and respect may be, it isn't going to put Cindy Sheehan in the U.S. Senate. Feinstein will crush her. I very seriously doubt that Sheehan would even try it. I believe she spoke out of pure frustration about the Iraq war and not as someone taking a sounding for public office.

I'm a Boxer volunteer and fan for many, many moons. She personally gave me her own campaign button from the last election when I was out there. Love the woman. Feinstein I've always been very cool on, but that's as much personal as political.

[radio4progressives]

19. I'm sure you're correct. and it's good to talk to someone with

inside knowledge.. I have no illusions that Feinstein will crush Cindy.

She has that kind of power and money. I'm just trying to keep my little candle flame of hope for the "mythical little guy" (that doesn't really exist according to Senator Cornyn) - i'm wanting to see the American dream (fantasy) come true in my lifetime... :hi:

[saltpoint]

20. Well, goddamit, I'm buying you the coldest beer in the country right now.

And by the way. Your remark about John Cornyn just earned you a second cold beer.

God, that guy's an asshole.

[radio4progressives]

21. sounds great to me! sounds like we might be neighbors?

I'd love to take you up on it sometime! :toast:

[saltpoint]

22. Ok -- I travel a bit now and then and don't know when I'll be

in California again, but it's a great place. I love it. Partial to the Bay Area but love the whole stretch of the place.

And the day Senator Boxer stood in the Senate to challenge the results of the 2004 election, I was deep green with jealousy of California voters.

All good wishes to you, radio4progressives, and I'll help gather wood to keep aflame that fire you've got going so well.

Peace.

[LittleClarkie]

17. I kinda prefer Cindy where she is

Same way I prefer Gore where he is. They're more effective when they're not beholden to anyone.

[Toots]

27. Ahnold..Ahnold..Ahnold..Ahnold

Yes Californians sure love them Liberals...:+

[ISUGRADIA]

28. Oh a good laugh to start the day

"Feinstein will lose in November"

Yeah, that's why Republicans are running a C list candidate like Dick Mountjoy. She's soooo vunerable.

Oh, and another tip, if Sheehan runs Boxer is backing Feinstein not her.

[Ciggies and coffee]

36. If the incumbent "Democrat" starts to look vulnerable in the primary

A well known R will step up, and money will perhaps flow to an independent, (vote split) to guarantee that the establishment keeps the seat, just in case the incumbent looses the primary.








Time for another smoke

[ISUGRADIA]

41. If Sheehan is the opponent in the primary she won't break 30%

But I think right now this campaign is all rhetoric, and she'll never file. We'll know in a month after the filing deadline.

[TrueAmerican]

47. Try less than 5%

She won't get dammit.

[Joe Fields]

29. I, for one don't want Cindy for the senate...

She will be far more effective from the fringe.

[hopein08]

46. Quite true, I agree.

[Steve A Play]

57. Too bad for you she's considering running in California,

Since you don't live anywhere remotely near here, why do you care if Cindy's in the Senate? She's not considering running to represent you, she's considering running to represent me. If she does I will be actively campaigning for her and she will gladly get my vote. :)

I'm certain that Cindy would far better represent what I want from my government than DiFi has. If DiFi is the best the Democratic Party has to offer in that race, too bad for them. If Jerry Springer can run as a Democrat, why not Cindy Sheehan?

Steven P. :kick:

[onenote]

30. if 9 out of 10 Dems you speak to are voting against Feinstein

you probably should get out and speak to some other Democrats. Feinstein's seat is completely safe.

onenote

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Let me add myself to those who will NOT vote for DiFi

under any cirucumstances and will go Indie before the Primaires if there is no alternative, and atter the primaries if DiFi is on the ballot on November.

I doubt the seat is that safe any more... by the way, so yuo know... she is on the ballot on Bovember, the green party candidate HAS my vote.

Yes I've had it

[Pithy Cherub]

33. Count me as another liberal swing voter! DiFi got my last vote in 2000!

DiFi got my last vote in 2000. I am shocked when in the tonier sections of LA how much people want her to graciously retire. The anti-war crowd was out in full force in LA during the SOTU and it was covered on local TV.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. She got my fist and last vote

I became a citizen after the midterms in '98. I filled my voter registration form and with pride put on it Democratic party... I think I might just go to the Post Office today (need to anyway) and change my registration today to independent, given the modified closed election I can still play, Will it be painful? Yes I have self identified as a dem all my adult life... and was glad to vote democratic slate, in fact could not wait to do it... but I guess the last five years have truly radicalized me. (or is it all them hours of watching C-SPAN? and seeing the leadership sell the contry down river... )

[Pithy Cherub]

35. Truly understand why you would do that.

I will stay a Democrat for now as it serves my purposes when showing where I spend my money, time and efforts - liberal and progressive causes and where I won't (DLC-blech). I want the party to stand on priniciple in the face of overwhelming odds and proudly show courage under tremendous stress. To get that type of political change, I have to be that change. When progressive values go unrepresented, then the people need to be accountable for those votes and seek alternatives. DiFi is too expensive to the People to keep as a senator.

:toast:

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I see going independent as a protest

and due to the modified closed primaries in California I can still play...

[rinsd]

64. "I doubt the seat is that safe any more"

Based on what?

Against overwhelming poll numbers?

[Freddie Stubbs]

32. Cindy herself has said that she can't win

Is she smart enough to follow her intuition and not embarrass herself?

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[nadinbrzezinski]

39. Exactly how? Or is this another one of those

we love the status quo and we don't want to change anything and all our protestations are an act?

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[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Two wrods: VOTING RECORD

one more word, DLC

[Tiggeroshii]

50. When was the last time you checked it?

She gets about a 84.12% rating from progressivepunch.

That's about 40% more than the most conservative Democrat and 3 points more than Harry Reid. If you are going to get rid of Feinstein cause of her voting record, you might as well encourage Nevada and the Democrats to get rid of our minority leader because of his voting record. It's such hogwash to think that way, you aren't doing anything good except helping Bush get an even bigger rubber stamp on his policies. We need to be focused on the REPUGS not our own. Focus on getting a more liberal senator AFTER we have this incredibly nocuous president out of our way, because we all know that he is far worse than the most conservative democrat we'll ever get.
www.progressivepunch.org

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. Speak to me another day

I switchd to Indie today... and I don't go by what Progressive Punch says, but what I HAVE SEEN with my own eyes watching C-SPAN

[Tiggeroshii]

53. Yes, but you mentioned her voting record.

That was her voting record. What you see on C-Span isn't her voting record. It is absurd to assert that her voting record disqualifies her as a Democrat and then brush away her voting record as unimportant. Fact is, she did vote more progressively than Harry Reid. If she is disqualified as a liberal by those terms, shouldn't Harry Reid be too?

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. I will NOT vote for a DLCer, period, end of discuon

and yes, I kow her voting record on the items that matter to me... so sorry, will nto do that, sorry.. next try. If you like her, fine you can vote for her... I simply WILL NOT... she lost my vote. PERIOD... and yes IT IS HER VOTING record... by the way, if I lived in Nevada I would not be voting for Harry Reid either if what you say is true, after I review the record. That said my local congress woman not only has my vote, will have some money in the mail and some shoe leather... and when boxer runs again, ditto.

Clear enough for you now?

[Tiggeroshii]

62. It sounds like you don't mind Dems losing.

But yeah, it's clear.

[skipos]

51. Feinstein's approval ratings are as good or better than Boxer's

in every poll that I have seen. I am no Feinstein fan, but she has plenty of support outside of DU.

[guidod]

55. Not from me!

Boxer's the best and I'll help Cindy if she decides to run.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

56. I ask this question of every supporter of a potential candidate. Are you

ready for a smear campaign?

[laugle]

75. Well I say fight smear with smear and fear with fear! n/t

[autorank]

58. haha. Feinstein, you deserve this. Just deserts. n/t

[rinsd]

66. When in doubt ignore the facts.....

"Democrat at the convention were all eager to sign it. 9 out of every 10 Democrats I've spoken with say they will not vote for Feinstein under any circumstances. Other Democrats who have been asking the same question say that their results have Feinstein at more of a disadvantage than mine"

This contradicts any and all polling and reason.

"This contradicts the Republican polls, but it's reality."

Which poll would that be? Or is that all polls outside of what you and the Patrick Henry Club think?

"Feinstein has more support from Republicans than from Democrats."

Prove it. Here's the exit poll from her 2000 election

http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2k/g/polls.asp?office=S&state=CA

Here's a Field Poll from Nov 2005

http://field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/RLS2176.pdf

Check pages 10 & 11.

"Feinstein will lose in November. Any other Democrat could win."

Insanity.....

[wiley]

67. All non-Cindy cheerleading posts will be deleted

by the moderators. Once again I post:

This is ridiculous. California will not elect two liberal Senators. I also have no problem with Feinstein. Deal with it.

Don't do that suppression of all non-conforming posts with me!

[Sparkman]

70. AHH, but would you personally vote for a liberal running for DiFi's seat?

Say, tom hayden or ariana huffington or a hollywood lib either gender?

[wiley]

71. Possibly, but why was my post deleted?

the one that was responded to with two wrods?

I want to know what's up with that?

[Sparkman]

69. I for one can imagine worse candidates,Bob Dornan, chris Cox, Oops repugs.