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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:51 PM
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Good Ole Russ Feingold was the ONLY Dem to...
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 02:53 PM by slor
say "No" to the UnPatriotic Extension. Can we stop the Hillary talk now? Get on The Russ Bus Folks!
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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:52 PM
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1. Feingold/Sheehan
I'd support it
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:02 PM
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7. I would love Feingold. . .Sheehan I would see as a liability
simply because of her lack of political experience.

Feingold/Hinchey (NY District 22 I believe). Or Feingold/Napolitano (Governor of AZ).

Sad thing is, Russell would lose. . .too many bigots would vote against him simply because Feingold is a Jew!

But I would love Russ Feingold. The candidate for Arizona District 8 is jockeying for assistance from Feingold.

www.jefflatas.com
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 08:01 PM
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20. what a gutsy combo
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 08:16 PM by Jeffersons Ghost
I like it! She could wear the shirt at Inauguration.

LOOKY HERE... LOOKY HERE... LET'S DRAFT RUSS TO RUN... get it while it's a hot live link... you even get to tell him why we need his guidance. http://www.draftruss.com/3draft.html
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 10:38 PM
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28. Surely you're stoned, right?
Russ, I'm on board with.

Feingold/Sheehan? ROFLMAO. Get serious. Cindy is a wonderful fly in the ointment for the Republicans and the woman has my respect, but you are deluded if you think she is public office material.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:56 PM
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2. He voted for the first extension, why not this one? The extension is so
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 03:13 PM by blm
those who filibustered the Patriot Act last year, including Feingold, get their input on the aspects of the Patriot Act they want taken out, so the current Patriot Act will not be made permanent. Many Dems, including Feingold, voted for a new Senate version of the Patriot Act that stripped away with the onerous aspects of the original one.

Did I miss something? Weren't we supposed to favor the use of extensions WHILE we work to defeat the aspects of the Patriot Act we DON'T want renewed?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:21 AM
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25. You're exactly right
And you know the reason for the vote as well as I do. *sigh*
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-05-06 09:49 AM
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29. We don't need ANY of the Patriot Act. It's all total nonsense.
Pre-9-11 laww covered everything we needed if it were enforced.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:57 PM
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3. Feingold has a stronger chance at the nomination than a lot of
party operators may think. Not all are naysayers, but I think the rank and file are maybe underestimating Senator Feingold's chances.

I personally believe he will finish in the top three in the Iowa caucuses and pointedly ahead of Senator Clinton.

In the event that someone else is the nominee and that nominee wins, I hope he or she would nominate Senator Feingold to be on the Supreme Court for the next opening.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 11:57 PM
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22. Feingold on the Supreme Court would be fucking awesome
You know, it never occurred to me but that's exactly the kind of Justice we need. But first, let's have him for prez....

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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:58 PM
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4. I've been on the Russ bus since not long after 9/11
I never heard it called the Russ-Bus til now though, I like it!
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neverevergivein Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 02:59 PM
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5. Get on the Russ-Bus, make a new plan Stan
I like it too! Nice work
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:41 PM
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18. That's a neat song you link with Russ-bus
I'm not quite sure why but I keep associating russ-bus with "Peace Train." While the starting points may differ, I'm pretty sure the destination is the same.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:00 PM
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6. The extension is not unpatriotic - If it had not been voted, they would
have proceded to the permanent reauthorization of the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act and it would have passed.

This way, they can negotiate and get more.

Or are you telling me that Boxer and Byrd are unpatriotic.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:03 PM
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8. Anyone who votes FOR the USA PATRIOT Act hates America.
Anyone who wants the USA PATRIOT Act hates American freedom.

Pure and simple!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:04 PM
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9. In this case, Feingold does.
He voted for it twice in 2005 - Senate version and one month extension in december.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:22 PM
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12. I am saying that the patriot act is unpatriotic...
and in my humble opinion, everytime they vote an extension, it gives it more credibility. I do understand your point, but I want to see someone flat out, stand up against it. There are too many Dems that are comfortable with this administration, and probably like the Patriot Act.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 05:01 PM
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27. Feingold voted FOR a Patriot Act that was revised, along with the
other Dems and some Repubs - lest we forget.

The Patriot Act sans the onerous aspects is needed. Be clear - this Patriot Act extension is necessary to get the revisions desired. feingold's vote here is pure symbolism, because he wants the revisions, too.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:06 PM
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10. And not one Democrat opposed it in the House
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GreenInNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 06:31 PM
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17. shout out
shout to my brother. He is one of the head web guys for the thomas section of the LOC website. WOOHOO! Go Michael!
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 11:59 PM
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23. Kucinich did and Barbara Lee would never vote for it. n/t
n/t
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 12:07 AM
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24. the vote wasn't recorded in the house it was done with a yea or a nay
and if you watch these things, as soon as the speaker says all oppose, he doesn't even waite or bother to count the votes unless it is specifically called for by procedure vote - and a bill is "passed".

no record of who voted for or against.

dollars to donuts not one member of the CBC, which includes John Conyers, Sheila Jackson Leigh, Cynthia McKinney all who are outspoken against it, Kucinich would never have voted for it, i doubt very seriously that Lyn Woolsey did. There's also a few Republican Congress members who are ademently opposed to the Patriot Act.

So, don't believe for a minute that no dems voted against it.

We just don't have a record of the vote, that i'm aware of.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:15 PM
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11. Fiengold is the answer to shutting up Hillary nonsense
Edited on Fri Feb-03-06 03:15 PM by firefox
The PTB that guide the controlled media are pushing Hillary when she has no popular support. The grassroots in my little circle hate Hillary. When people say Hillary I will say, no less than Fiengold.

Fiengold or better for President. Fiengold for the 6 o'clock news.

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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:24 PM
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13. I don't know what PTB means but i like the idea of hearing Russ on my
6:00 news and from the white house.

still, we are so far away from the 2008. HRC is being swifted boated over SEC issues and apparently a documentary film - i think it amounts to faux White Water issues, so it will be interesting to see how that is responded to.

Russ Feingold is really the best that is on the radar, and i have high regard for him and his determination to fight and defend the very principles of our democracy and Constitution.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 03:39 PM
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14. What SEC issues? (serious question because I hadn't heard
anything) If the film s on Whit Water weren't billions spent investigating this and finding nothing?

I prefer Feingold to Hillary.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 11:54 PM
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21. SEC issues that Right Wingers have sued HRC on campaign funding
this story has been sort of off the radar, until recently but it looks like the right wingers have created a documentary film called Indicting Hillary and this guy Peter Paul and this organization called US Justice Foundation (?) is apparently behind the production of this film. I tried to look at the trailer at this website, but it's a bad video link or my browser doesn't like it.. (must be the source)




http://www.peterfpaul.com/

Indicting Hillary



"The trailer for the documentary in production, Indicting Hillary, was previewed on January 25, 2006, by a select group in Southern California invited by Gary Kreep's US Justice Foundation to help launch a nationwide grass roots education and support campaign for the Hillary Clinton Accountability Project and its legal and civic education projects.

US Justice Foundation is beginning its nationwide campaign to develop broad grass roots support for exposing all of the Clinton/DNC misconduct surrounding Peter Paul's $2 million in contributions to Al Gore, the DNC, Hillary R. Clinton for Senate and the Clinton Presidential Library in 2000. This support will provide resources for the landmark fraud lawsuit of Paul v. Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton et al which begins discovery in Spring, 2006 and the documentary that will explain to the American people the extent of Clinton/DNC misconduct uncovered through that discovery.

The trailer features former House Clinton Impeachment manager Dave Schippers commenting on Paul's efforts to hold Hillary Clinton accountable for the election fraud that guaranteed her Senate victory in 2000, resulted in the first ever indictment and trial of a US Senator's finance director for election fraud, and an FEC fine and admission by her senior campaign finance treasurer that he violated the Federal Election Act when he filed false reports to the FEC hiding more than $720,000 of Peter Paul's $1.2 million plus contributions to her Senate campaign.

The first completed documentary will be debuted at the ACU convention in Washington in May, 2006.

There probably has never been a New Year's vow broken faster by a politician than this latest vow made by Hillary Clinton to her donors. Marc Humbert wrote in "Hillary Clinton starts talking tough.." (below)

In a post-New Year's Day thank-you note to donors, Clinton assured them she would fight for "an end to cronyism, incompetence and cover-ups."

Clinton's assurance, first cousin to one of her infamous vows, seems to be designed to once again deceive and defraud her donors. Much like when Hillary vowed through the Washington Post a few months before her Senate election that she "would take no money from Peter Paul, and will return any she did receive."

Only seven days after the Post published that vow from Hillary's official spokesman Howard Wolfson, her finance director faxed a new request to Peter Paul for an additional $100,000 contribution to be made in negotiable securities rather than cash- so it could be hidden from opponent Lazio and the voters.

Hillary can now show her new commitment to "fighting cronyism and coverups" by coming clean on her campaign treasurer's admitted role in violating the Federal Election Law by filing false FEC reports hiding more than $721,000 contributed by Peter Paul. After five years of denying his responsibility for filing three false FEC reports that hid more than $1.2 million from Paul, lying about it to the FBI investigators that caused his subordinate David Rosen to be indicted and tried in May, 2005 for "causing" the false reports to be prepared and signed by Grossman, and then perjuring himself in the criminal trial of Rosen, he has admitted his culpability in an FEC settlement agreeement on December 13, 2005!

Hillary has been aware of this cover up since August, 2001, when she began directing it. She admitted at the time that the largest fund raising event of her campaign cost more than $1 million to produce.Yet eight weeks later, in her last FEC report before her election, she reported the event cost only $366,000, and that it was a contribution from a public company (that had told her finance director it was not contributing anything)

Hillary stood by as a third false FEC report was filed with her knowledge on July, 30, 2001,while she was working with her lawyer David Kendall in preparing a 300 page demurrer on a civil fraud suit she received from Peter Paul on July 3, 2001. She filed the 300 page pleading only five days after the last false report was filed. The civil fraud suit, accompanied by a demand letter, an FEC complaint, with all checks and invoices attached, two press conferences, and a syndicated story on the subject provided clear and convincing evidence that the amount spent on her behalf by Peter Paul was more than $1;6 million, not the $366,000 she intentionally misattributed to Paul's company. She covered it up and protected her treasurer crony until this very day!

So, bravo for Hillary's New Year's "resolution" to fight her own actions and proclivities. We can now expect that she will forthwith proceed to the Senate ethics committee and come clean about all the illegal and unethical things she did, with her cronies, in order to win her Senate election. Since the "cronies" that she will expose in this affair include two DNC Chairman and her then President husband, her fight will yield tremendous results in winning the war against the detestable culture of corruption that she castigates regularly.






January 04, 2006

Hillary Treasurer Grossman Admits Filing False FEC Reports Hiding Peter Paul's $1.2 Million Contribution
The FEC has formally determined that Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign treasurer, Andrew Grossman is legally responsible for the three false FEC reports that Hillary's finance director, David Rosen, was criminally charged and tried for in mid-2005. Mr. Grossman signed a "Conciliation Agreement" with the FEC on December 13, 2005, admitting his culpability, and agreeing to pay a civil fine and amend his false reports to reflect the $721,000 that he failed to report since October, 2000.

This admission of responsibility by Hillary Clinton's campaign treasurer comes after FIVE years of denials and deceptions by Hillary's staff and her campaign officials, beginning with Hillary spokesman Howard Wolfson's false statements to the Washington Post days after Event 39 was produced and paid for by Paul in August 2000, and proceeding through false testimony given at the trial of finance director David Rosen for the offenses that Grossman is now taking responsibility for!"
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-04-06 03:26 PM
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26. The PTB or TPTB= the powers that be
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 05:21 PM
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15. kick
:kick: why does the Russ-Bus remind me of an old song called "Peace Train?"
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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 05:36 PM
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16. I think Feingold's vote was to protest...
...the fact that they are trying to weaken the Senate version of the bill unstead of just letting it pass.

In the House, it was decided on a voice vote, although some members like Kucinich said they opposed it.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-03-06 07:47 PM
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19. Like i have been saying for a long time
Go Russ!!!
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