The hypocrisy of the right on Mohammed cartoons...

[eallen]

The arguments Muslims make regarding insults to religion are identical to the ones that the right-wingers make, regarding desecration of the flag. Neither believe in free speech.

[mikeanike]

1. how many neocons burn an embassy?

Dude don't even try to equate the crap that the Reich wing here complains about! The gripes we have in this country pale in comparison to the crap the rest of the world deals with.

[blue2helix]

2. How many neocons have the blood of 100,000 Iraqi's on their hands?

and the steady erosion of civil liberties for the rest of Americans. Don't get me wrong, I defend free speech and I think the violent Muslim extremists are assholes and I hate them, but in their minds, what is being done in Iraq is much worse than burning an Embassy.

Neocons get to hide behind GW and our misused military while claiming to be "civilized." In a true Democracy you are accountable for your vote.

[Rabrrrrrr]

4. It's exactly equatable

if the hypocrite fucks complain about "the war on Christianity", then they have no right to tell muslims that they are wrong to be offended by cartoons.

Let's take your ignorant logic to it's logical extreme - by your logic of "shut the fuck uo if someone else is worse off", then there is only one person in the world who has a right to complain - whoever is the most oppressed, or the worst off - and so you, knave, have no right to bitch about anything either, even about other people bitchin'.

Spare your "you aren't suffering enough to complain" sanctimonious ill-thought bullshit, and your "we have it so much better in America" jingoistic ignorant obfuscations.

[fujiyama]

9. There is aa clear hypocrisy on thhe right

Thata's nothhing new.

But unfortunately, I see hypocrisy by some on thee left. I can aassure you that the reaction by many would be very different if iit were Christian fundies burning embassies.

[Skelington]

11. I think the message would be more, in order to be taken as anything but a

miltant gun-toting nut bag, don't burn buildings, shoot weapons on city streets and call into question their countries trade structure because of a fucking cartoon.

Complaining about something, written in the free world, and destroying property and probably scaring the shit out of a lot of people.... that is ignorant. But jump down somebody's throat like a wild animal for no reason.......I guess thats just cool huh?

[CottonBear]

6. I do not agree. Our country has tremendous problems.

The Bush administration has damaged our country and the world almost beyond comprehension.

[Skelington]

7. No shit,

they pich a fit about christmas songs, and commandments in couthouses, but I don't remeber any burning of buildings.

I think the cartoons were a great new reason for muslims to run out in the street and riot, it's getting routine and expected, and the percetion they are giving off is one of a militant, who does not care about using suicide bombers, beheading captives or mass graves. But don't draw that fucking cartoon or it's on! The middle east war right now is the deaf leading the blind.

[Erika]

14. Yes, W is both deaf and blind and is creating great anger

and the Mideast has definitely suffered.

I will give W credit for condemning the mocking of Islam's Holy Prophet.

Many people die and kill based on religious beliefs. All the way from the Crusades to "Onward Christian Soldiers."

[Skelington]

17. bush did not draw the catoons, the cartoon have been coming out for

a number of months from the reports I've heard. There are actually things happening in the world that the US is not the root cause of.

It has gotten impossible to even have a conversation without the US being blamed for what ever happens in the world. At some point we have to look forward to being an american.

[Erika]

18. A true American does not send its troops to an unjust war

No, Americans are not to blame for much of the wrong in today's world, with the exception of W and his actions and decisions.

[Skelington]

22. This is not about the war in Iraq, it's about a cartoon and overeaction.

I'm off to try and find a conversation about something other than *.
Thanks.

[Skelington]

13. Hey Mikeanike, some people will not really be civil,

untill you reach a high enough post count to prove your worthiness.

[eallen]

19. I compared their attitudes toward free speech.

And that comparison is legitimate. The arguments for banning desecration of the flag are identical to those made for banning insult to religion. Neither the American right nor the Islamic right believe in free speech. They differ in some ways. But they are remarkably similar in many others.

[Crunchy Frog]

29. Neocons levelled an entire country. n/t

[Left Below]

3. A more appropriate analogy-

Christians who demand that Creationism be taught as fact in school.

Apologists give in to the Creationists out of "respect" to their religious sensibilities.... poor Creationists are lampooned unmercilessly by the Godless Western intellectual elites.

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. and regarding the "war" on their own false version of Christianity

[rpannier]

8. I see the similarities

When the Last Temptation of Christ was released Martin Scorsese got death threats (a fatwa if you will)and 13 people were injured in Paris when Molotov cocktails were thrown at patrons waiting to see the film.
The chorus of "Disrespect to our religion and God" goes up by the Taliban-choirs.
The responses may be more volatile in western Asia, but the similarities are there.

[fujiyama]

10. Interesting

I was not aware of the violent incidents tthat occured. I knew about the conrtroverrsy, but did not know people werre actually hurt.

Yep, in the end, fundies are fundies, and fanatics of all sidees are capable of killing based on art and speechh.

[SeaBob]

21. fundies

Yep

[Rabrrrrrr]

15. And the evil fundy fucks in America chaining people into a theater

can't remember the city, but they did it as a form of protest, chaining the "heathen scum" into the theater in which they were watching the movie (chaining meaning they chained the doors shut, not they chained the people).

And the fundy fucks in my hometown who threatened local video stores when the movie came out on video. And who wrote incredibly nasty, hatefilled letters to the editor about it.

[Erika]

12. The religious right of the U.S. whine about perceived attacks

against their interpretation of Christianity, and even political leaders. Remember their cries and whining about the movie starring James Brolin as Reagan?
Now, the Book of Daniel, and Brokeback Mountain.

They definitely believe in censorship of any and all things they disagree with but have no problem in calling offended Muslims thin-skinned for being so angry "just because their Holy Prophet was mocked".

[JudyM]

23. This all echoes the furor around 'merry christmas' as well. n/t

[Erika]

28. Yes, there was no threat to Christmas

Even many evangelical Christians were embarrassed about the uproar. Now the state of Georgia is legislating that Christmas will be celebrated. How blanking silly.

[Neil Lisst]

16. If anyone published a similar cartoon about Jesus in the SOUTH

There would be angry protests, but probably not of the same level as those of Muslims.

The Christian right is more removed from their violence. They accept the dropping of bombs without any issue, of course.

[Erika]

20. I beg to differ

Look at the violence in the South during the Civil Rights movement. Look at the KKK who considered themselves righteous Christians.

[Neil Lisst]

24. I think you might see individual acts of violence, but not like this.

Rightwing Christianity is more removed from the institutional violence they sanction through government, 40 years ago notwithstanding.

[blue2helix]

26. 5,000 Americans documented lynched 1880 - 1968

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8206697

"These deaths occurred without trials, mostly in the South, often with the knowledge of local officials who allowed mob lynchings to become picture-taking, public spectacles."

"Hundreds of bills rebuffed
During that time, nearly 200 anti-lynching bills were introduced in Congress, and three passed the House. Seven presidents between 1890 and 1952 petitioned Congress to pass a federal law.

But the Senate, with Southern conservatives wielding their filibuster powers, refused to act. With the enactment of civil rights laws in the 1960s and changes in national attitudes, the issue faded away."

[leftstreet]

25. Cartoon I'd like to see: Jesus with Chavez in his gun sights

Pat Robertson has now called for the assassination of Chavez TWICE. And everybody knows Pat speaks for God. The fundy nutjobs should embrace such a cartoon.
:eyes:

[Erika]

27. Great. Have Robertson's African diamond mines

in the background.