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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:00 AM
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Have we started a concerted effort to oust the Vichy Dem Six?
I couldn't find the list of names posted here yesterday...the six Vichy Dems who've consistently voted with Bush. I'm not sure if Tom Ballsack was on that list, but he should be added if he's not. And we should start a DU letter writing campaign to get them removed and replaced by real democrats who'll stop rubber-stamping Bush's anti-American actions.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:01 AM
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1. We'll never get rid of Nelson of Nebraska. That shameful
bastard is running unopposed again.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:21 AM
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2. I wrote a letter ...
to the 19 Dems. who voted for cloture on the Alito debate. Nelson was on the list.

Here it is:

February 5, 2006

The Honorable _____________________
U. S. Senate
Washington, DC 20510

Re.: The Future of the Democratic Party

Dear Senator ____________:

As a fellow member of the Democratic Party, I am writing you to express my deep concerns about the future of our democratic republic and the role of the Democratic Party in our political processes. We now have a Congress that, under Republican leadership, has abdicated its responsibility to serve as a check on the power of the executive branch of our government. What is worse, it seems the Democratic Party has abdicated its responsibility to serve as a check on the power of the majority party in the Senate. You, Senator, have contributed to the erosion of our freedoms by enabling the Republican majority. Our system of government is in jeopardy as a result.

I refer, as an example, to your vote for cloture on the Senate debate of the Samuel Alito nomination. Twenty-four courageous Democrats listened to their constituents and refused to enable the Republican majority. Twenty-four Democrats voted to filibuster the nominee, a man who threatens to erode the right to privacy guaranteed by the 4th Amendment and who supports the “Unitary Executive” theory of government, a theory that obliterates the checks and balances established in the Constitution. Twenty-four Democrats stood up for what they believed was right. You, Senator, did not.

How you actually voted on the nomination is irrelevant, as we both know. The Democratic Party had the power to stop the Alito nomination through the use of the filibuster. There are forty-four Democrats in the Senate, and only forty-one votes were required to prevent cloture. You failed me, your constituents, your party, and your country when you voted to allow Samuel Alito to sit on the Supreme Court. A vote for cloture was, in effect, a vote for Alito.

Why should I or anyone else, for that matter, support the Democratic Party if the party refuses to resist the totalitarian urges of the current administration? The liberal base of the Democratic Party opposed the Alito nomination, vehemently. Nevertheless, nineteen Democrats, including you, voted against the party’s base and enabled the administration. If the Democratic Party is to survive, this can not continue.

Consider, if you will, how it is that the Republican Party became the majority party in Congress. Republicans do not pander to the middle. They support their base and expand their base through strength. I have heard many Republicans complain about the direction in which the country is heading. I have heard them complain about numerous Republican policies. Regardless, these same people vote Republican because they admire the unity and strength of the Republican Party. Republicans are widely perceived as being “strong” while Democrats are regarded as “ineffective, divided, and weak.” This is so because Republicans support their base; they support the principles they espouse. Democrats regularly vote against their base in order to appease supposed “centrist” voters. This strategy is killing us. It makes us look ineffective, divided, and weak when our elected officials vote against the interests of the party’s base. Thus, we lose elections because it is clear that the party will not fight for its stated principles. You, Senator, have enabled the further deteriorization of the party by pandering to centrist voters. If the Democratic Party is to survive, this can not continue.

I urge you to consider that most Americans do not cast their votes on the basis of “issues.” In this day and age, most Americans vote for strength, clarity of purpose, and raw determination. You may believe that some voters will punish you for standing with the party’s base on various issues. However, I invite you to reconsider that notion. I believe that most Americans vote for strength and resolve, regardless of where a given candidate stands on a particular issue. If this is so, the Democratic Party needs to radically change the way it operates. Its elected officials need to learn to listen to the party’s base and vote accordingly. Defection must be punished, severely.

If elected Democrats will regularly support the party’s liberal base, then those of us who follow politics will be pleased to see our representatives actually representing us. We will be encouraged to further support the party and its candidates. By the same token, the majority of Americans, even if they disagree with us on some issues, will see the strength and resolve that is required to have an effective national party. We will win if we can earn the respect of voters. We can only gain that respect by showing an unwillingness to sacrifice the party’s principles.

I implore you to consider this argument, advanced with the sincere hope that we may yet save our nation from the disaster of tyranny. I would ask that you not insult me with a boilerplate response that defends your position on the Alito nomination. The issue that I address, here, goes far beyond your betrayal of the party’s base (and your own, stated principles) in that one, solitary vote.

Sincerely yours,

________________

cc: Mr. Howard Dean, DNC Chair
The Honorable Harry Reid, Senate Minority Leader


-Laelth
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:28 AM
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3. Ahh, yes
The purist brigade. Those six dems. (i'm actually not sure who you're talking about. I have no idea who Tom Ballsack is supposed to be.) Our problem is not six "Vichy" dems. It's taking back the congress. Know what? Those six dems (if you're talking about the Senate) will vote for Harry Reid for Majority Leader. J. Rockefeller will be Chairman of the Intelligence Committee instead of Roberts, Leahy will be chairman of the Judiciary instead of Specter, etc., etc. Pretty simple concept to grasp. Let's work on ousting repubs not dems.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:30 AM
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4. I'm not talking about ousting dems
I'm talking about replacing Vichy Dems with real ones. Real ones will vote for Reid, et al, too. And they WON'T rubber stamp the Chimp's destruction of the constitution.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:49 AM
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6. It's just delusional
to think you can replace Nelson of Nebraska with a "real" dem. It's the second "reddest" state in the country. Oust Nelson, you get a puke.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:05 AM
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11. I don't care if it's delusional. It is action which shows we are engaged.
The reason we are continually ignored is because we NEVER speak up. We cower in the corner and listen to people like Tom Vilsack tell us to keep our mouths shut or else people won't like us. BTW, you condemn my time-wasting efforts fighting other dems...what the bloody hell are your posts about? Is your post some sort of hidden love-message I'm missing?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:28 AM
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12. I'd replace the bastard with a Republican ANY DAY
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 09:42 AM by depakid
He does (as others like him do) much MORE harm to the party (and all its other candidates) by backstabbing the party "leaderhip" (and his own constituents) by continually enabling and legitimizing right wing extremism. Better for the interests of all- even in the relative short run (2-4 years) if he and others like him were ousted. Period.

And before you start with the ridiculous meme about "purity," let me remind you that the so called "strategy" that (at least you imply) that you support has lost six straight Congressional elections through shameless pandering to "conservative" voters, their causes- and most of all corporate interests. And in many cases- the very same interests that consistently and avidly work against the Dems (not to mention traditional Democratic values).

The DLC and so called "centrist" Dems have led the party down a path that has resulted in irrelevancy. That's right- not just a minority- but irrelevance in national politics.

Look at the evidence- not a single nominee blocked- not a single significant piece of far right legislation halted (although at time, maybe delayed). Often- there's not even a pretense of a fight.

To make matters worse- DINO's NEVER learn. They'e like abused women- constantly making excuses and coming back to their abusers (think Mary Landreux- big money for Louisiana in return for voting with the far right, huh).

Unfortunately, the writing's already on the wall- and the Dems are headed for a 7th straight congressional defeat. Based on the same stupid "strategy" of trying to look "reasonable" and "bipartisan."

All they've gotten from that is the widespread public perception of being weak, ineffectual- and quite frankly- insincere. If we can't get rid of them in primaries- better to replace those types with Republicans and start rebuilding the party rather than than to continue down this sorry dead end path.

If they did so, there might actually be just a little hope for 2008.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:30 AM
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13. Thank you! You must be another freeper, according to Mr. Benchly.
:eyes:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 09:40 AM
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14. He's just a one trick pony
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 09:47 AM by depakid
Who's unable to see beyond one level of abstraction. Same tired old arguments that ignore both the evidence and priciples of sociology, political and behavioral science.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:35 AM
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5. I hear ya.
I certainly prefer our "centrists" to a Republican. But I also believe that our centrists are hurting the party. The "race to the middle" may win an election or two in a red state, but it harms the Party, as a whole, by making us look weak and unprincipled.

In any case, here are the 19 Senators I sent the above letter to (if you're curious):

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)

:dem:

-Laelth
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:47 AM
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17. Locking.
Flamebait. As it is, I'll have to remove almost every post in this thread.
A little civility next time, yeah?
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