Band of Sisters! 3 Progressive women vets running that need some $$

[KyndCulture]

MD-03: Mishonda Baldwin




Ms. Baldwin’s life is demonstrative of using obstacles as stepping stones to reach her goals. She was one of the first African American woman ROTC Battalion Commanders. She was the first woman elected twice to serve as the chairperson of a national community service organization. In addition, as one of the youngest owners of a national franchise, Ms. Baldwin has a tremendous understanding for small business needs. Her experience led to her service of providing advice and assistance to emerging growth companies as a mentor for the University of Maryland Dingman Center for Entrepreneurship. She has effectively restored breaches, brought hope to the hopeless, encouraged individuals who have given up, and reached out to individuals who others had thrown away. Ms. Baldwin hopes to continue making history by becoming the first African American woman elected to the United States House of Representatives in the state of Maryland.

http://www.baldwinforcongress.com/donate.html>Donate


IL-06: Tammy Duckworth



L. Tammy Duckworth of Hoffman Estates has built her life and career upon serving her country, her community and those in need around the world. She is a dedicated, tireless leader and an inspirational example of what can be achieved through hard work, determination, compassion for others and a positive outlook. Having recently recovered from serious injuries sustained while serving on active duty in Iraq, Tammy’s next goal – in addition to flying helicopters again for the Illinois Army National Guard – is to fight for the interests of the people of Illinois’ Sixth District in the United States Congress.
http://www.duckworthforcongress.com/donate.html>Donate





CA-52: Karen Otter



Karen was born and raised in San Diego, California. After graduating from high school, Karen enlisted in the United States Army and served as a Pershing Missile Crewman. Assigned to Army units in Oklahoma and Germany, Karen found remarkable the dedication to service of her fellow soldiers. The discipline and training of the Army engrained in Karen a superior work ethic and responsibility to service. After leaving the military, Karen worked in increasingly responsible areas of administration and management. She obtained certification as a Community Association Manager. She has extensive experience in management of entities of a governmental nature where budgets are essential and rules and regulations are enacted and enforced.

Karen has pledged to turn down contributions from defense contractors in wartime, while her incumbent opponent has pocketed huge sums from these special interests who profit from war.
http://otterforcongress.com/index.php?page=display&id=94>Donate


Thank you for being patriots, my sisters!!! I sent them all a few dollars tonight.

[snowbear]

1. Awesome!

Way to go ladies!! :patriot:

[Crunchy Frog]

2. Tammy Duckworth got both of her legs blown off by an RPG

while she was flying her Blackhawk helicopter in Iraq. All three of these ladies look like remarkable people.

Thanks for posting.

[KyndCulture]

4. Yes she did..

[Adelante]

22. And still landed the Blackhawk safely

She's a legend.

[BootinUp]

25. I'd say she qualifies.

:wow:

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Everyone kicks ass

Even if I don't agree with them all 100% they still are very brave and kick ass.

[alittlelark]

5. I spent 30 or so minutes trying to merge 'band of brothers'

Into a non-gender statement that included definitions.


I failed.


In a few other languages it was easy.... but not ours.

[KyndCulture]

6. There are several male candidates on that site that I donated to as well.

I just thought these 3 ladies needed a little spotlight time.

[alittlelark]

9. They need a lot more than 'a little'.

They are our HOPE.

[KyndCulture]

10. I think so too!!! nt

[alittlelark]

11. Let's just hope that the messages are able to be MERGED.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. The first girl was with them in DC yesterday

:D She was a great speaker! Why weren't the other two there? :shrug:

[radio4progressives]

7. Progressives?

Military careers does not necessarily a progressive make. (!)

What't are their views on foreign and domestic policies?

Who should be burdened with the funding of our military?

What should the standard be to justify war? What do they think of the American Empire paradigm? What do they think of the use of the term Terorists? What do they think about saber rattling for war on nations whose political ideology and and economic philosophy/policies we disagree with, such as Cuba or Veneuzuela? I could go on, but if these people are running for congress, the'll be voting on critical matters involving the military and other domestic issues i want to know what their views are - the DLC have taken to using the term "progressive" in describing their so called "Third Way" doctrines.

I'm reclaiming the term right here and now, these candidates are described as progressive by name only - i want to see some substantative back up.

[KyndCulture]

8. then read their sites, cause I did...

[Adelante]

20. "reclaiming the term right here and now"

That's pretty funny. You may get to define your own progressivism, but not for everybody. You just don't have that power, sorry.

[mopinko]

24. tammy duckworth is NOT a progressive

she is rahm emanuel's choice to beat a progressive dem. she was sent with a big fat handful of cash. she is completely wishy washy on issues, from the war to cafta to choice.
sorry, the real progressive in the race for the 6th district in illinois is cegelis

[dogman]

26. There you go again, Duckworth is Durbin's choice.

He is clearly a Progressive. Cegelis is a fine candidate, she's just out of touch with her Distict. Hope she does bring change but we need a Dem majority in the House in '06.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. So just because Durbin is progressive automatically means

she is too? :shrug: I saw her interview on CNN and she said some things I like but some I didn't. Of course I'm not in her district so it doesn't matter to me either way. Why is Durbin electing their nominee instead of the people? Does he live in the district? My view on this is like always: the VOTERS DECIDE. Endoresments are fine and impressive but in the end it should be the voters and based on their stances and not who endorses them.

[FrenchieCat]

29. This is a district that has been held by Henry Hyde

For the last 32 years.

I'm not sure they are looking for "progressive, progressive"..... :shrug:

We need to make sure to understand that it is the General Election that matters.....cause a lose is not a win make! Cutting our own throats ain't gonna change shit!


I mean...come 'on! This district has been looking at this guy for 32 years!! Are we really that un-insightful?


Henry John Hyde (born April 18, 1924), American politician, has been a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives since 1975, representing the 6th District of Illinois (map). He was born in Illinois, attended Duke University, graduated from Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., and obtained his law degree from Loyola University. He also served in the United States Navy and was a lawyer before entering the House. He was married to Jeanne Simpson Hyde from 1947 until her death in 1992; he has four children and four grandchildren.

The US Vice-Chairman of the Atlantic Partnership, Hyde is one of the most senior Republican members of the House. From 1985 until 1991, Hyde was the ranking Republican on the House Select Committee on Intelligence. He has also been one of the most vocal and persistent opponents of abortion law liberalization in American politics, and was involved in some of the highest level debates concerning the response to the events of September 11, 2001. Since 2001 he has served as chairman of the House International Relations Committee.

[mopinko]

34. there are real dems in the 6th

they deserve a real dem on the ticket. if the district is majority republicans, they should elect one. electing a dino does no good for we the people.
the real dems deserve a chance to elect a real dem. putting duckworth on the ticket is fine. slanting the playing field so that the party's handpicked candidate wins is not.
this is a blue state, but there always has been and always will be dems beholden to the big money interests of the state. and i will remind you that rahm holds the seat formerly held by dan rostenkowsky. he serves the same rich guys that danny boy always served. look at his contributors. you will see all that banks, stock brokers, and other chicago fat cats.
tammy is the candidate of these interests. she has about the thinnest, most mealy mouthed website i have ever seen. for a candidate with this much power and money behind her, i take that as a "fuck you. i don't need no stinkin' positions!" none of her supporters have offered any more. they have tried to hang the scarlet "unelectable" on cegelis, and nothing more. it has been an entirely disingenuous debate from the start.
i hope that everybody sees it for what it is. a campaign of rumor, innuendo, and smear. from our party. sorry, that part of the democratic party is already over represented in congress. we the people need to fight our party when it does not represent the interests of the people over the powerful.

[dogman]

37. You're being a little bit unfair now.

How long has Tammy been a candidate? The test of her campaign will be real soon, about 5 weeks. A Republican held Rostenkowsky's seat and Rahm won it back after serving in the Clinton administration. Rahm helped elect Clinton and knows elections. He received 70% of the vote in the last election. By your logic the Dems would walk away from the money and surrender everything to the GOP. Believe it or not there are people who are Democrats and have money and contribute it. There again should we shut down the banks and brokers and watch Chicago dry up? Unless we get real campaign finance reform passed we have to play on the field that exists. You keep stating that if the 6th District is GOP they should have it, that is ridiculous, we need a Democratic majority. As much as I am disappointed with Bean's voting record I realize how important her presence is to a Democratic Speaker and in the long run that is more important to this nation than any vote on a particular bill.

[mopinko]

40. i know what i need to know about tammy.

i know who her daddy is. i know money and power want her elected. i know she i afraid to come out of the gate with a principled stand on democratic core issues. she does not seem to be pro-choice. she may not be anti-choice, but she is hiding her position.
more college tuition assistance and reform of the alternative minimum tax are not the issues that ought to be driving this election.
look, i do not have any problem with rich people being represented. they have legitiamte interests. they are entitled to protect them. but you know that they have squeezed we the people out of the picture. and if their interests conflict with the common good, they ought to lose.
like you said, money talks. when the reason to challenge a candidate is that she cannot "raise enough money", but then money rains from the sky on the challenger, you have to really have your head up you ass not to see what is going on.
and i for one, think that this attempt to hide rich people's interests behind a uniform and a wheelchair is cynical in the extreme. i say it again, tammy duckworth smells funny. from her 25,000 google hits for her "story", to the shower of money coming down on her. this is not the candidate of the people. and she is running for the people's house.
i support the democrat in this race.

[dogman]

53. So you pick the issues for the 6th District?

Charges that Tammy is not a Democrat are the same old crap. From now on the Party should hire you to determine who is and who isn't. At that point the Democratic Party might be a permanent minority Party.

[mopinko]

55. my point is about who she will represent

and the rich people behind her have already bought themselves way more representation than they are entitled to. this is supposed to be government by the people. the people in the democratic party are supposed to pick the democrats that represent them. people in the republican party are supposed to pick the people that will represent them. that is why i say that if the people in the 6th want a republican, they should have one.
i am in this fight because i know that the democrats that i know in the 6th want a progressive. if i had a fight in my district, i would probably stay home and stick to my knitting. but i do feel that i am "the people", and that i need to work for the government that i want. and i feel like i am a part of a national party, i feel that i am on the same page as the chairman of the party. the reform of government and the democratic party is about the return of the government to "the people", to me. to people that i feel will represent me. that is what democracy is. that is why i think it is my duty to help christine get elected.
so, i already was "hired". by fucking thomas jefferson, ben franklin, et al.

[dogman]

58. The people of the 6th District if they elect her.

Helping Cegelis get elected is a fine and worthy cause. Disparaging Tammy every time support for her is posted, undermines Cegelis and reflects poorly on your credibility. If Dean has something to say about this election, let him say it. Maybe the people of the 6th District don't want a Republican, maybe they want a Democrat who represents them. It's really their choice. You hired yourself. You are a spokesperson for yourself. A large number of "people" support Duckworth.

[mopinko]

59. most of those people

are corporations. they have enough representation.
as i have said a million times, my problem is with having a level playing field, and a clean process. big business and big money have their thumbs on the scale.

[FrenchieCat]

39. Calling "Names" without facts is squirilous!

We understand that you don't like Tammy Duckworth and you don't think she's worthy.

We heard you loud and clear. Thank you for your thoughts....So are you done yet?

See some people want to win, and other like to name call without presenting any facts.
The voters will fucking decide on November 2006, Mokay?

You can deride Tammy all you want, but understand that many Democrats, Independents and Republicans will support this minority disabled woman whether you like it or not.

In case you didn't know, out of all of the Vets running, and there are many, she's been given the best chance of TAKING A SEAT CURRENTLY HELD BY A REPUBLICAN.

Tu comprent?

[mopinko]

42. facts are facts

being a minority in a wheelchair does not make you a good democrat.
i see we have another duckworth supporter who wants the other side to just shut up. that ought to tell people something, too.
you can support her all you like. but you cannot call her a progressive in my presence without the record being set straight. she has been inserted into a primary against a real progressive. she is backed by big money. that is not name calling, that is a plain old fashioned FACT.
on top of that, there are a dozen other dems in races across illinois, who are running against republicans, who are getting not one dime from the dccc. but they are raining money on someone who is running against another dem. that is a fact.
no, i am not done. i do not intend to be done. i intend to fight for my party. i intend to do anything i can to chase the influence of money out of my party. the primary elections are the arena for that. i intend to help send tammy back to her daddy.
too bad for you.

[dogman]

30. No it's a response to the Rahm/DLC crap that is thrown at her.

By all accounts, Durbin met her and was impressed and asked Rahm, a fellow Illinois Democratic Party leader, to look at her. The people are electing their nominee in the Primary. The Democratic leadership is trying to get a Congressional majority, that is why they are involved. The voters will decide but they are the same voters who elected Durbin and another protege he sponsored in '04, Obama. Obama has also endorsed Duckworth as well as neighboring CD Representative, Schakowsky.They have all contibuted to her campaign and Axelrod, who was John Edwards campaign manager, is Duckworth's campaign manager. The 6th District is a GOP stronghold and the GOP candidate is a protege of DeLay and Abramoff. The Dems want to win this one for sure. Everyone loves the fact that Illinois is a blue state but would undermine the leadership, that just doesn't make sense.

[mopinko]

32. got a like on that schakowsky endorsement?

i know her pac made a SMALL donation to duckworth. but i have not heard of an endorsement. i e-mailed her the other day to ask what her position on this is, but have not heard back.

[dogman]

36. There is no better endorsement, but technically you may be correct.

Some people do not make an "endorsement" in the Primaries. The trend seems to have changed after Gore endorsed Dean in '04. Some were shocked by that, but it seems to be more acceptable now. There is a saying about how nothing talks like money.

[mopinko]

38. if money is talking here, it is not saying much

schakowsky's contribution is tiny. for all i know, she sent the same amount to christine.

[mopinko]

31. durbin is a fine, honest, strong senator, but he is a moderate.

a real moderate, not a phony moderate, who will waver on choice, but not on favors for their rich friends at the expense of we the people. that is the sheep's clothing that many in our party wear. durbin is not one of them, but tammy sure looks like one to me.
you cannot even get on here and tell us duckworth's positions, because she has neither until her rich benefactors tell them to her. or defend her resume, because she has nothing relevant on it. except for a helicopter crash.
she is the candidate of the dino's for the dino's. we swallowed melissa bean on your logic, but we will not do it again.
and while we are on the subject, obviously, i would not want to be in her shoes. i do not mean to denigrate her service or her loss. but a hero? i think that really lowers the bar for the use of that term. i think by that measure, the purple heart becomes the silver star, everyone who leaves a war zone alive is a hero. i find it very curious that she has been so hyped as a big hero. if you google her, you will see that she has been the object of quite a pr campaign, for quite a while. why? that's what i want to know. who has been polishing tammy's purple heart to the point that it starts to look like the silver star? who, who, who?
please come back to this debate with something that really speaks for tammy herself, and her fitness to represent the 6th district. that she has many powerful friends only makes her that much less of an attractive candidate as far as i am concerned. in none of these debates has anyone even bothered to put forth her positions or ideology. not once. why is that?
if the dccc wanted to elect any old dem, just to turn that seat, they would get behind cegelis with the magic wand that has rained contributions and media attention, and pr down on tammy. if they are worth 2 cents, they can build on cegelis' 44% in'04, and win the seat. but instead they shove an unknown, inexperienced person into a district where she does not live, when there are UNOPPOSED REPUBLICANS ALL OVER ILLINOIS, and then pretend that it has something to do with "electability". for those who do not speak brass knuckle politics, unelectable translates- unbought, unbowed, uncontrollable, sink her at any cost.

[MrBenchley]

43. Cegelis is a four star disaster

who's blown almost all the money she's raised without a fucking thing to show for it....

Here's the updated FEC form for Cegelis year-end....

She took in $227,746.04 during 2005, and pissed away $199,761.82 in the same year, with no election, no primary,. no campaign advertising, and nothing to show for it....

In the fourth quarter she took in $68,160 and SPENT $77,770, before Duckworth even announced her candidacy....

http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00394007/198383/

[FrenchieCat]

12. The swiftboating starts today....

With any luck, those Dems who are :scared: of too many Veterans running for congress will be overjoyed to understand that the GOP think so too...

And hence, the swiftboating has begun!

http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Campaign/020906.html

[KyndCulture]

13. Maybe I'm just tired but... that article..

doesn't make a lick of sense to me.. are we eating our own now? So the hell what if they are running on one issue, the war, um... we NEED them to have that issue... I'll deal with the knicks and scrapes of the other issues later..after our kids stop dying.... I read that article 3 times and it still doesn't make any damn sense... swiftboating indeed.


Maybe I am unfamiliar with the source, is that a rightwing slanted publication?

[FrenchieCat]

16. It's a "hit" piece from a "MSM" source.....

:eyes:

Read my letter in response to the article here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2447383&mesg_id=2447876

[mopinko]

33. just fyi, tammy duckworth is not anti-war

although her opponent is. hmmm. tammy's statement on the war is- there is good and bad in all situations.
she is not pro choice, either, as far as i can see.
her opponent is a true progressive, with a strong cadre of grassroots supporters.

[FrenchieCat]

41. She's anti-Iraq war.....which is what she needs to be.....

You don't know if she's pro-choice......so don't say she's not.

Her opponent, a "true" progressive (whatever that means in your mind), would lose.

Don't underestimate Tammy's potential in reference to grassroots support. I think you are premature in your estimations.

But again.....by now, I think that most have heard you via your many posts in this thread.

The Big question? Are you done yet?

[mopinko]

44. thanks for your completely unsubstantiated opinion

like most duckworth supporters, you have no facts, just opinions and bullying.
nope, sorry, not done.

[Peter Frank]

14. Strong Men Should Kick & Reccomend...

K & R...

[FrenchieCat]

17. Not a man....

but strong, and therefore can kick! :hi:

[Twist_U_Up]

15. 3 woman and more balls than the whole shrub clan combined.

[RazzleDazzle]

18. Do these candidates have websites? Links??

[Adelante]

19. In the OP nt

[FrenchieCat]

21. Here are their websites in the order of the OP listing

http://www.baldwinforcongress.com/

http://www.duckworthforcongress.com/

http://otterforcongress.com/index.php?page=display&id=1

[Adelante]

23. kick

:kick:

[calimary]

35. Kicking this.

These women deserve our support.

:thumbsup:

[goodhue]

45. But Duckworth is running AGAINST progressive Cegelis

Sorry I don't think Duckworth is the progressive in IL-06 . . .

http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/campaigns/cegelis-endorsement.php

Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) Endorses Third Candidate: Christine Cegelis from Illinois District 6

By William Rivers Pitt


Christine Cegelis

January 12, 2006--District Six in Illinois, Rep. Henry Hyde's former seat, is up for grabs in 2006. Several candidates have thrown their hats into the ring, but one candidate stands out above all. Christine Cegelis, single mother of two, pushed Hyde into early retirement with her run in 2004 by gaining 44% of the vote in this district that is supposedly unwinnable for Democrats. In 2006, Cegelis is running again, and this time she fully intends to win.

Christine Cegelis is a progressive to be admired. She speaks eloquently of her opposition to the Iraq occupation, and of the need for the United States to join the global community by joining the community of nations in support of the Kyoto Protocol. The issues closest to her political heart, the issues that matter most to the sixth district, center on job creation and the establishment of a robust economy for her constituents.

"I listened to my sons and their friends when they came out of college," says Cegelis, "heard about all the debt they were carrying and how hard it was to find jobs. All the jobs that young people can take in areas like Information Technology are being outsourced. We are heading in the wrong direction economically."

"I have always believed," says Cegelis, "that you are supposed to hand over the country to your children in better shape than you received it. We are not doing that. I went to a state college and worked a minimum wage job for $2.50 an hour. Even with that small wage, I was able to afford an apartment, a car, tuition and books, and was able to graduate in four years with no debt. That is impossible now, and that has to change."

Cegelis has specific plans for the development of economic vitality in her district. "This district is losing jobs for the first time in 50 years," says Cegelis, "and a lot of that has to do with O'Hare Airport. O'Hare has been the economic anchor of this district for years, but thanks to Henry Hyde, the airport stopped expanding and those jobs disappeared. O'Hare used to be the transportation hub for the country, but we have fallen behind, and I intend to change that."

"I see the development of alternative sources of energy as another job creator for this district," says Cegelis. "We have one of the largest bases of light manufacturing in the country here in this district, and some of the best engineering schools to be found anywhere. Developing an alternative energy industry in the Sixth District will not only help the environment, but will create many jobs for the people here."

The political beliefs of Christine Cegelis combine broad, progressive ideals with the kind of pragmatic wisdom that the people of her district need. Her elevation to the House of Representatives would be a tremendous boon not only to the Sixth District of Illinois, but to the entire country. Following the endorsement by PDA's Chapter in Illinois' 6th Congressional District, national Progressive Democrats of America warmly and enthusiastically endorsed Christine Cegelis in this race.

Note: To receive national PDA endorsement, a candidate must be endorsed by each PDA Chapter that has representation in the geographic area covered by the office the candidate seeks. For example, a candidate for House of Representatives would be officially endorsed by the Spokescouncil only if each Chapter with members in the Congressional District involved endorsed the candidate. Similarly, a candidate for statewide office would be officially endorsed if each Chapter within the state endorsed the candidate. The endorsement process begins with individual Chapters and is then ratified by the Spokescouncil.

[FrenchieCat]

46. AFL-CIO seems to think jDuckworth' s progressive enough.....

Seems like this is a who is the "Most" progressive race for you......although we are talking about an ultra conservative area where Henry Hyde has reigned for the last 32 years only illustrates how willing Democrats are in cutting their own throats.

I'm with Barack Obama on this......Duckworth can win that district, Cegelis can't.

It's about taking back the house and the power that comes with it,
everything else is bullshit!

Good Luck tho! :hi:

[goodhue]

47. The AFL-CIO is hardly an arbiter of progressivity

At least in my experience. Neither do they have a good track record of picking winners. I realize the moneyed political establishment is lined up squarely behind Duckworth. She was after all recruited by them, and she moved into IL-06, where she had never previously resided. Apparently, the fact that she was disabled in the war makes her eminently electable. Too bad she has yet to take a position that we should get out of Iraq. As PDA explains . . .

"The only basis for Duckworth's candidacy is that she is an Army Reserves member who lost both her legs in Iraq. Duckworth's most notable comment on the war is that there is good and bad in everything. She echoes President Bush's views on a timetable. She is running, not against the war, but as a symbol of patriotism."
http://www.pdamerica.org/articles/campaigns/cegelis-email.php

[FrenchieCat]

48. Boy, that one article must be the bible.......

cause it's the only one I keep seeing!

She says more about war than that....and in fact, that ain't even her talking. How sad!

OK...get your progressive in their...we can lose in this republican district, then the progressives can keep on whining while all of our fucking rights are taken away! (shades of Nader--She says)

[goodhue]

49. Equating Cegelis to Nader is nonsensical

In 2004 Christine was endorsed by the Democratic Party of DuPage County, Schaumburg Area Democratic Organization, York Township Democratic Organization, Milton Township Democratic Organization, Democracy for America, National Women’s Political Caucus, Illinois Federation of Teachers, Senator Richard Durbin, North Central Illinois Labor Council, National Organization for Women, Cook County Democratic Women, Illinois Committee for Honest Government, Women’s Campaign Fund, Planned Parenthood, The Women of DFA, Winfield Township Democratic Organization, and Independent Voters of Illinois - Independent Precinct Organization.

[FrenchieCat]

50. Not, not her.....

I find no fault in Christine running, just like I find not fault in Tammy running.

I find fault in those who would demonize either one to prop up the other.....and those who would prefer to "change the party" by hoping to elect someone who didn't win last time and who's views don't seem to reflect the majority of the voters in that area, who have been voting Republican for the last 32 years.

It's not like a Republican is not gonna run you know; one is. And so the question becomes not who's more progressive? but rather, Who can beat the Republican running.

I believe that the one that wins will be the one that most resemble the majority mentality in that district.

I just find it fascinating when folks attempt to act like Democracy means only one person can run, and there shouldn't be any primaries.

Whatever happened in 2004, is not longer the same...as this is a new race. So whatever happened in 2004, doesn't mean it will happen in 2006....so please, show the new endorsements, not the old ones. M-kay.....

[goodhue]

51. I never said Duckworth shouldn't run, only that she was not progressive

I simply don't believe that conventional wisdom that having no specific progressive positions makes one more electable in republican-leaning district.

[mopinko]

57. ditto

she can run, fine. i object to the behavior of the party, the double standard, and the tilting of the playing field.
and really, who are we as a party? we should be running as who we are, and let the people decide. if winning is all, we have already lost.

[mopinko]

56. minor point

duckworth does not live in the 6th. she lives in one of the towns that is partially in the 6th. she lived and worked there for a few years. i do not feel like she is a "carpet bagger", but i do feel that, if she is not going to run in her home district, she should take on judy biggert.

and i agree about the afl-cio. it is an endorsement i would really shun if i were a candidate. they were the epicenter of the raygun democrats. it sealed my opinion of duckworth.
to all these people in this discussion who are spouting the conventional wisdom here, please tell me- isn't your thinking what has got this party, and this country, in the mess we are in??

[Le Taz Hot]

52. Forget Cegalis did we?

:eyes:

[dogman]

54. Is she a Veteran?

Read the OP and see how this applies to Cegelis.