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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:08 PM
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Finally! Someone asked the very question I've been wanting to ask
Do We Have To Arrest Bush & Company Ourselves?

Do we have to make citizens’ arrests of Bush & company? We have smoking gun after smoking gun and the criminals in charge of our nation do nothing. It is quite clear they are all (with few exceptions) in on the crimes.

We have TONS of EVIDENCE that both presidential elections have been stolen. That alone should be enough to arrest the people who have taken over our nation via electoral coup! But wait…there is more…lots more! We have EVIDENCE that there was inside involvement in 9/11…nothing happens. We have EVIDENCE that George W. Bush lied about the reasons for invading Iraq, about what he knew about the potential doom of Katrina in advance, and he knew (and may have been involved) about 9/11…nothing happens. We have testimony that Dick Cheney approved the leaking of top secret information…nothing happens. Do we have to arrest these criminals ourselves? Even if all the EVIDENCE is wrong it only proves that this administration is so incompetent that they should be removed from office for our own safety!

Congress is our enemy; the Justice Department has been compromised in the same way that Police Capt. Mark McCluskey was in the movie the Godfather. Our military have been so blinded with propaganda that they don’t realize that they have been mobilized in direct contradiction to the principles for which they believe they are fighting. Our local law enforcement has already taken steps to implement a fascist police state where they view peace groups as the enemy and they enforce the statutes that violate our Constitution. Do we have to carry out justice ourselves? Do we have to revert to the street justice of the wild west? Do we need to form a posse and arrest the criminals ourselves?

Is there not a single institution in our nation that can come in and stop this insanity? Will the people have to rise up and save themselves?
This whole nation has flipped. We are insane. The crimes are so egregious, so outrageous, so vile that people do not believe they are being conducted. They see, smell, feel, hear and taste the evidence yet they still find this reality too difficult to believe! What do we have to do to wake everyone up?

http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=291

We're just citizens. We follow the law. We don't want disorder. We don't want violence or death or horror. We just want legitimate leadership which will serve us, the citizens, the way the system was designed by our founders.

But we don't have that. We find out crime after crime after crime. Ethics breaches, as well. Fudging on numbers, fudging on money, outright stealing, inside deals, malfeasance, misfeasance, breach after breach of fiduciary duty. Graft. Bribery. Extortion.

Yet still, nothing is done! What the HELL will it take? No wonder someone is finally asking, DO WE HAVE TO GO UP THERE AND ARREST THEM OURSELVES????
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:14 PM
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1. I've had this thought myself....
We can't depend on our political leaders to follow the law. I don't know what other option we have. The chimp is flaunting his criminality without and fear of reprisal.

We are either a nation of laws or not.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:15 PM
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2. . . . .
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:15 PM
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3. Well, I hope it doesn't come to that, but
if need be, count me in.
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:15 PM
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4. Molloy is reading this now!
:bounce:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:17 PM
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5. Except it couldn't be an arrest.
It would have to be a Revolution.
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agincourt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:21 PM
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6. Bottom line
The ones who will give these criminals in power their "accountability moment" are the people in this country that are not gorging themselves at the conservative trough. No one in law enforcement, congress, the courts or the military has the backbone to do anything about the Bush criminals, at least the ones in high places. Their day of reckoning would only come from below.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:23 PM
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7. a "citizen's arrest" is merely a temporary hold
citizens can "arrest" someone only long enough to turn them over to the police.

if the police have been corrupted to the point where they're not going to arrest someone on their own, then they're not going to process someone who's been arrested via citizen's arrest.

instead they'll just let them go and probably punish YOU for false arrest.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:00 PM
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21. I've had this idea brewing in the back of my mind....
First, it seems that the military is getting sick and tired of being stuck in this unwinnable war in Iraq....(from what Murtha and Wesley Clark have been saying).

W is commander-in-chief, right? Well...why can't a bunch of these top Generals get together and arrest him for lying us into a war? Now, I don't want to use the term coup d'etat...but I just think that w has broken some military laws and needs to face a military tribunal.

Some of these military leaders must be sick about being put into this war by a bunch of short (cheney 5'8" and rummy 5'6") men who have never spent one day in a military uniform.

Think how the world would rejoice...w under arrest by his own military for Treason! How cool would that be?! And then finally the US of A could stand up and APOLOGIZE for all that w has done in our names....We could apologize to the Iraqi people about the WMD lies. We could apologize to all of the people who suffered in Katrina and continue to suffer. We could admit to the world that the citizens of the US are sorry for what its leaders did in our names....we are not a warlike people. Some of our citizens were simply manipulated by fear and greed to follow this murderous leadership.

All of humanity deserves an apology for what these crazy, evil, insanely greedy neocons have done to our country and the world.

I want my country back.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:17 PM
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30. It gives "support the troops" whole new meaning n/t
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:00 PM
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39. What if we are holding them for the ICC? TO THE HAGUE!!
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:24 PM
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8. This plan must have more definition...
First, I am on-board.

But we need to provide governmental solutions... that is, who would replace these evil bastards? How will we inform the great citizens of the USA that we are replacing our government with a true Democratic government. How do we tell the world that we have regain control.

We have to have these questions ready before we start.

We are the legitimate patriotic citizens of the America who are simply following the Constitution of the United States of America... and therefore represent the government of the USA.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:27 PM
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9. You make some great points in your letter. However, "we" , as
far as I can tell, have no resources sufficient to "arrest" the Bush administration. All we would get would be a trip to Guantanamo, if we were lucky.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 06:27 PM
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29. "We" are a nation of sheep being led by a handfull of pigs.
Do you think for one minute a citizens arrest will do any good? We turn the fuckers over to the bush justice department and that's the end of it. Only way to beat the bastards is to start winning elections. To do this, we must seek out some pimply faced 17 year old nerds who can hack Diebold and ESS voting machines to our advantage. If we can't figure this out, face it; we're fucked for at least the next 20 years.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:03 PM
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40. I still like the idea of throwing bad voting machines into Boston Harbor
Except from an environmental standpoint.

And then the requirement would be paper ballots, paper trail.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:34 PM
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10. Ya may not want to admit it, but ur country is f***ed
.
.
.

The electoral system down there is twisted so only the rich can win - he who can bribe the most - wins!

Threats and "sanctions" have worked for decades, but wearing thin on the rest of the world right now . . . .

We are getting tired of the USA declaring themselves as the "beacon of freedom" - even as they sojourn the freedoms of their own citizens . . .

as they scourge the globe invading and occupying other sovereign nations .

Yeah

We noticed


. .
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:44 PM
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11. Watch your back I'd say.
What's happening in the lower 48 is not a border defined power grab. Global corporatism is on the march and you live within it's grasp. Everyone does.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:56 PM
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13. "Global corporatism" I live within it's grasp - you are absolutely right
.
.
.

My "back" is 55 years old

and I'll fight them PNACers with snowballs if I hafta . . .

I will never kowtow to the likes of George W Bush like the electorate of the USA does

NEVER

But I's just a Canuk . . .

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:48 AM
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16. We Energy
Ever hear of this little corporation. They send out emissions to the surrounding areas where there customers live. This has resulted in a spiked incidence of asthma attacks. I found out that this corporation can come on my property and park there truck any where they want. This is what I was told by police. Something called public domain. I don't know if its a big deal, until they block your access to your garage and refuse to move because it is an inconvenience to them. If you call the police you might also be treated like you are the law breaker.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:51 PM
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22. Then put some sugar in the gas tank
Or knife thier tires.Ahh just a fantasy I guess. But A little creative monkeywrenching can go a long way in letting faceless corporate assholes feel your displeasure at them it makes thier squatting costly.How do you stop a bully? Make it too costly to the bully personally to bully you.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:04 PM
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33. sugar in the gas tank doesn't work the "Mythbusters" busted
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 11:05 PM by DemInDistress
that theory. It was a good episode,they tried and tried but that engine kept starting up..conclusion
sugar in the gas tank--- BUSTED.

ON EDIT.. slashing the tires will work.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:04 AM
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35. But sand will...
I'm just saying...
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:24 AM
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36. sand will do it and so will some bullets...lol...nt
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:57 PM
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38. well water than
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 05:35 PM
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28. The way Monsanto v. Percy Schmeiser was decided took the gilt off
my Canadian dream. And your recent election results were not encouraging either.

Bushco et al are on a global prowl, all resources, human and otherwise, owned or otherwise, are on the table.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:25 PM
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18. Yup. My country has raised the bar when it comes to kowtowing.
Be grateful the Pilgrims didn't land in Halifax.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 11:45 PM
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12. You forgot to add Murderer to that list.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:03 AM
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14. Good question.
:(
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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:23 AM
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15. lurker here from conservative underground
Freeper lurking here.... he copied this post to that infant site. Sad that there are still some blind followers who couldn't tell you ONE thing that Buscho has done RIGHT ...not one... or ONE THING that Bushco has done to make this country better or prouder or richer or more livable for anyone but his rich friends.

But....maybe they'll learn something.

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:02 PM
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17. We'll be sunk until things get bad enough that
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 12:04 PM by guruoo
Americans become willing to sacrifice their
very lives to stop them.
http://www.americanrevolution.com/MartyrsandHeroes.htm
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:34 PM
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19. Good question! It makes me think of Eminem's "Mosh" video...
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CarlSheeler4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 12:37 PM
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20. US Senate Candidate Sheeler “Bush lied. People Died. He needs to be tried"
Have no fear. I am trying to encourage those not asleep it can and should be done. Please help me. Here's my draft release for your comments.

Carl

Sheeler for US Senate
www.carlsheeler.com

Providence, RI – U.S. Senate Candidate Carl Sheeler (D-RI) has challenged his Democratic running mates, Sheldon Whitehouse and Matt Brown, by mail and by phone to support his efforts to call on both Congressmen James Langevin and Patrick Kennedy to support US Representative John Conyers (D-MI) in his impeachment proceedings.

Sheeler, a Marine veteran and self-described 70’s style Democrat, has been tireless since July 2005 in his efforts to call for the withdrawal of our troops in Iraq: his opposition of Alito due to expansion of executive powers since his nomination in November; and, more recently, he had posted a billboard along I-95 that has an image of the U.S. Constitution in the background and in the foreground declares “Be Patriotic. Impeach Bush.”

Sheeler has now taken his challenge further and adlibbed Senator Lincoln Chafee’s Republican Primary candidate, Stephen Laffey. “In at least one thing, I agree with Mayor Laffey. Let’s be the smallest state with the largest voice and be the first “blue state” to unify behind a resolution that calls for the impeachment of President Bush. I requested our state’s U.S. Representatives show the leadership that over two-thirds of our citizens want. I’m asking them to support John Conyers, not because he’s a Democrat or that it’s a sure thing, but because it’s the right thing. Now, I am also calling on our General Assembly leadership in both our house and senate and its members to use their constitutional right to submit a joint resolution to Congress supporting my request.”

Sheeler pressed on, “In just the past two weeks following my last press conference, there has been additional testimony concerning the Bush administration’s lying about it’s knowledge of the levee breaking and mishandling of the Katrina aftermath. Republican leadership acknowledges President Bush lied about wiretapping; CIA executives have stated Bush lied about the reasons for declaring War in Iraq. The president lied that he had no association with special interests’ lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Bush has lied about being strong on defense; yet his military spending benefits contractors while short-changing the number of combat troops needed and reduces health benefits for our veterans. Bush lied that his wealth tax cuts would not endanger our budget surplus, but now we’re over $8 trillion in debt costing each of us over $25,000. Scooter Libby has testified he “outed” CIA spy, Valerie Plame at the risk of her life and others, with the knowledge and likely the direction of his superiors. Our citizens need a clear and unequivocal voice with the courage and conviction to say “The President Lied”. Short of a trail of bread crumbs and videotape, what else needs to be done to protect our citizens.”
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:08 PM
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23. Good question...is anyone brave enough to try?
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 02:13 PM by TheGoldenRule
:scared:
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:09 PM
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24. k&r Excellent post..
:applause: :kicked: and nominated
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:26 PM
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25. Yes, after all..
Who are our (elected) leaders responsible to if not to us?

Or even the selected and fraudulently elected ones....
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:32 PM
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26. It's a fair question. One that we might well make broad hints about
Edited on Sat Feb-11-06 04:33 PM by calimary
if ever we encounter or otherwise contact any of our reps. Do we have to come down there and do it OURSELVES? Or are YOU finally going to DO YOUR JOBS?

I rather like that one, actually. It shows just HOW ANGRY and INSISTENT we are about this.

DO I HAVE TO COME DOWN THERE AND DO IT MYSELF? ISN'T THAT WHAT I'M PAYING YOU TO DO???
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:34 PM
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27. I'm TOTALLY Ready!
Can't we DO SOMETHING?? I mean it! Seriously... right about now, I'd walk all the way from Florida if I knew it would get results!!

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:26 PM
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31. The answer is YES.
Peace.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:46 PM
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32. It Wasn't Long Ago...
...that I would have settled for someone going into the Oval Office and saying to Bush...

"Okay, I'll tell you what George, if you just pack you bags and quietly go back to Crawford, we'll clean up the mess."

But not now. I want these people behind bars. I am so angry at what our country has become. It is not the country I grew up in.

-P
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 11:20 PM
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34. Count me in. It's WAY overdue.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:37 AM
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37. Storming Le bastille 101: Bring torches, pitchforks and pikes
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:13 PM
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41. Yes.
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