KANSANS... Beware... Senator Brownback Is Truly A Scary Wing-Nut!

[ChiciB1]

I just got finished reading an article in Rolling Stone written by Jeff Sharlet about Sam Brownback and I didn't like anything I read!

I can't say I was a "fanny" of his before, but now I think America had better BEWARE!!

Just to put it in a nutshell, the article basically says he wants NO GOVERNMENT and believes that we should have a government led by Christ! The article is pretty long, but VERY revealing! I also gathered that he isn't extremely "vocal" about his extreme beliefs, preferring to do his "good work" behind the scenes, but his "work" is only about Christianity and all it's trappings. A Zealot I would say. There is also a picture of him with John Voight with some Hasidic Jews who are trying to recover religious text from the Russian government.

Now I'm not dissing Jewish people, but I must say I was in the dark about just how extreme Sam Brownback really is! I guess not being from Kansas I never really gave it much thought, but boy of boy... Kansas you better rid yourself of Sammy ASAP!

[pstans]

1. Might be moving to Kansas City

and Brownback is one reason that I would rather live on the Missouri side (though Missouri isn't much better).

[madame defarge]

2. Heard something on NPR recently...

said he has wanted to be president since he was a kid. He did say he wouldn't run in '08, but watch out...

[auntAgonist]

21. he's a scary dude.

[SharonAnn]

3. Sam Brownback - Opus Dei

[NJCher]

4. I wouldn't have guessed he was that radical

I'd heard an interview or two with him, one of which was about Roberts, when he was being put on the SC. Brownback sounded almost reasonable. Of course, none of them are even close to reasonable but they sure know how to sound that way when they weasle their way on to NPR.




Cher

[auntAgonist]

5. Re: the NPR Segment, my husband wrote to the program ....

NPR segment, Sen. Sam Brownback's Politics of Faith/

my letter in reply

I was troubled by your segment on Sam Brownback and his possible interest in a run for the presidency which once again framed the moral question of abortion as a showcase for the pro-life platform. I could not disagree more strongly with Mr. Brownback’s comparison between slavery and abortion as a question of property. To compare the enslavement of men woman and children, an entire race, with broad sweeping moral and social implication reaching forward to present day America, to the moral dilemma over abortion no matter how profound is hardly the same thing at all. To quote the founding fathers, in the case of condemning the slavery of a people, “we hold these truths self evident”, while abortion which based on religious doctrine is hardly universal or self evident. In Mr. Brownback’s view spoken so matter of fact, we are already up to how the states will vary on the degree of abortion prohibition and the tragedy that will represent to women’s rights and physical well being.
When will America’s media stop driving the political debate in this nation by reporting on push button social issues such as abortion, gun rights and gay marriage which has been purposely used to obscure the far more serious threat to our democracy of a two party system hopelessly mired in a culture of corruption within our nations capitol.

[0007]

8. Nice letter!

[ChiciB1]

13. This Is What The Article Was All About...

He has MURDER on his mind, it was stated! The murder of unborn fetuses and how it must be stopped! He also wants to push an Anti-Gay Agenda to the max!

Not only that, the secret religious sect that meets every Tuesday that supports secret cells and wants to shape Public Policy. It goes one to say that they believe "the Mafia" operates this way!

[Mythsaje]

6. A government run by Christ

would be FAR too "liberal" for these loonies.

They want it run by American Mullahs, which is a different species of animal altogether.

[ChiciB1]

15. No Government... Just Christianity!

[saltpoint]

7. Brownback is the prototype for a christofascist state.

I agree that he is a nut, and a very dangerouss one at that.

[rodeodance]

9. whyare you warning the people of Kansas-they voted him in.

[Scout1071]

10. Not all of us!

:patriot:

[ChiciB1]

11. Not Sure... Guess I Just Got SCARED!

The article was some piece of work! Maybe not ALL of them know about how truly RADICAL he is!!

I know I didn't!

[auntAgonist]

16. Why NOT inform people?

the OP would be remiss in NOT letting people know what they have learned.

[cyclezealot]

12. Can this article be linked to.?

[ChiciB1]

14. The Only Information Given In Rolling Stone Is About

Jeff Sharlett who teaches religious studies at New York University and edits The Revealer, a blog on religion and the press.

Maybe there's something there, or perhaps Rolling Stone has a web site.

[atommom]

17. Here's the link. I recommend the article highly.

Brownback is deeply involved with scary Dominionist types, and let's just say that his worldview couldn't be more different than ours.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9178374/gods_senator/

[ChiciB1]

19. Thank You...

I also think it should be read! Blew me away!

Isidious work behind the scenes!

[auntAgonist]

20. Thanks! wow that's a lot to digest.

I appreciate the link!

[ChiciB1]

23. Now You See Why I Posted!

We're talking about 1 step removed from Theocracy according to him! His theories and beliefs are extensive and he intends to MOVE forward with these ideas.

Unfortunately he's already gotten some legislation passed that keeps him motivated! Big time on Roberts & Alito and that says a great deal about THEM!

[cyclezealot]

31. thanks read it

scarry

[cosmicdot]

18. he's a trustee of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

hanging with Richard Perle, Kissinger, James Baker III & IV, John Roberts (representing Maurice Greenberg/AIG), Cheney, Richard Armitage, Brent Scowcroft, Lloyd Bentsen, Zbigniew Brzezinski, John Sununu

What's Sam Brownback doing here? Wonder how being involved with such an organization fits into Brownback's "beliefs", etc.?

http://www.usacc.org/contents.php?cid=2

strange this C of C attracts so many 'big names' ... of course, Azerbaijan sets on the west side of the Caspian Sea with Russia to the North and Iran to the South ...




the Heritage Foundation has been beating the war drums re Iran for awhile ... it's the OIL

Iran's Claim Over Caspian Sea Resources Threaten Energy Security
by Dr. Ariel Cohen
Backgrounder #1582


September 5, 2002

The need for Washington to focus its attention on energy security and diversification became clear as the war on terrorism began. The U.S. should strongly oppose Iran's threatening military actions to claim a larger portion of the energy-rich Caspian Sea. The Caspian basin, a land-locked body of salt water bordered by Iran, Azerbaijan, Russia, Kazakhstan, and Turkmenistan, harbors billions of barrels of proven oil reserves and over 200 billion barrels of potential reserves.2 (See Table 1.) The market value of that oil could exceed $5 trillion, according to some estimates. The sea also may hold up to 325 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. Combined with Russia's resources, by 2010 the region could supply up to one half of the energy resources now provided by the Middle East.

Last year, Iran--a known sponsor of terrorism--began an aggressive campaign to claim a greater portion of the Caspian Sea and its resources. Its leaders have asserted that Iran has territorial and treaty rights to as much as 20 percent of the Caspian Sea surface area and seabed, significantly more than its long-recognized sector comprising about 12 to 14 percent.3 (See Map 1.) Tehran's use of air and naval forces to threaten a U.S.-British company exploring a field in Azerbaijan's sector jeopardizes, in addition to energy production and energy security, Western investments and the economic development of the post-Soviet states in that region.

~snip~

Iran's Threat to Peace in the Caspian Region

Iran's use of military force to assert its claim to part of Azerbaijan's sector of the Caspian Sea undermines energy security and the future of Caspian oil and gas development. Iran not only has violated its neighbor's air space and territorial waters, but on one occasion even amassed ground troops on their border.

~snip~

http://www.heritage.org/Research/MiddleEast/bg1582.cfm

Brownback stealing the presidency via Diebold, ES&S, etc., might make the current fraud/fake frontman there seem mild in comparison ... kind of like how Gonzales as Atty Gen compares to Ashcroft ... extreme but somehow more extreme ... The Dominionists and Council for National Policy would find Brownback a step closer to theocracy. It can get worse.

Imagine Brownback with unchecked presidential powers and Robert/Alito sitting on the SCOTUS via usurped power.

Should Cheney step down ... could Brownback or similar be a heartbeat away?

[raysr]

22. How'd ya get a name

like "Brownback"? Sounds nasty.

[PBass]

25. Check out this website

http://www.theocracywatch.org

If you haven't seen it already, spend some time looking around. Sam Brownback is just the tip of the iceberg.

[ChiciB1]

27. OUCH!

I keep saying REVOLUTION, or SOMETHING!

[Mabus]

24. We're way ahead of you.

Believe me, we're working on it. To tell you the truth we had trouble recruiting a candidate in 2004. They guy who won the primary decided he didn't want to run after the primary and the guy who did want to run couldn't get off the ground. For one thing, we weren't a lot of us screaming about how important this race was and, especially with the primary results, we really got fucked (sorry for the language but it is the only word that comes to mind). We had a lot of trouble getting financial support for the candidate who wanted to run and on the ground, our resources were stretched thin. We had locals from my city working in Missouri on the weekends fighting with the Missouri Democratic Party, Move On, ACT and others to get voter registration and canvessing done for the presidental election. There were a lot of our numbers that headed to Iowa and other states too. A lot of us were working on local elections too. I spent most of 2004 at or working house parties and fundraisers for multiple candidates or setting-up and then volunteering at the local HQ. If you knew how many balloons I blew up or how many hotdogs I turned you'd wonder why I wasn't in a nuthouse.

We didn't have a lot of financial or campaign support for our candidate (Lee Jones) either. That's definitely changed since Dean took the helm at the DNC. The state party finally has funding and the people of Kansas are starting to wake up. More importantly the DNC is actively training people on the ground in how to run campaigns. That makes a huge difference. Believe me, I've worked for various candidates off and on since 1980, it has always been all over the place depending on the candidate and the campaign manager. It is nice to finally have some outside professionalism which is helping locals frame the issues and put up a more unified front rather than the "everyone for themselves" offensive we've been trying to do. For once I feel like we're going to have good offensive and defensive (and more coordinated) strategies.

There are some other hopeful signs. In 2002 Kansas elected a Democratic candidate Kathleen Sebelius as our Governor. In the 2002 gubernatorial GOP primary there were four contenders, basically three moderates and a fundie. The majority vote went moderate and split pretty evenly between two moderate candidates and the plurality vote was fundie. Because of the way the vote was split in the primary the GOP candidate was a fundie. In the general election the majority of GOP moderates ended up voting Democratic and we got a Democratic governor as a result. Some pretty notable Kansas GOP'ers put up webpages advocating that Republicans vote for the Democratic candidate. And despite a widely held misconception, the majority of Kansans are not stupid, we know the difference between good fundamentalists and bad fundamentalists. You have to realize that most GOP'ers in Kansas are the good old fashioned conversative types, not the frothing at the mouth lunatics like Brownback (who wouldn't have his seat if it weren't for Dole stepping down to run for president in 1996). In other words, when Kansans are sufficiently awakened to the fact that Brownback is a fundamentalist his days will be numbered. The higher his profile the more they are finding out. His potential run for president is raising his profile and people are starting to take notice. Add to this the declining numbers of the GOP, the war and economic hardships. Not to mention the fact that our AG is getting out of control. The mixture of various scandals emerging from Washington are beginning to have reprecussions on the ground.

Here are the links for a couple of anti-Scam Brownbutt sites: http://www.rainbowtel.net/~bryants/abb.htm http://www.theantisam.com/

Oh yeah, don't forget that our other esteemed senator is Pat Roberts. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. :banghead: But don't worry, we're not giving up, we can't, we're Kansans.

[ChiciB1]

26. Good For You... I Feel MUCH Better!

Throw the Bums out!

Maybe you could come down here to Florida... we've got some Idiots here too! Cruella The Witch is MY Representative, but I think she's just about TOAST! Very very few Dems in my County!

[Mabus]

33. Brownback and Roberts were both elected in 1996

at a time when the GOP was really beating up on Clinton and the Gingrich was riding high in the House. Until recently - when it became (more) public that Roberts is a failure as chairman of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and is helping to cover-up more than he uncovers - most people thought he was a Republican in the vein of Dole and Kassabaum. Now that more Kansans are questioning the Bush regime and the GOP, so that will help turn the tide. You can count on us to do our best. Thanks for showing others what we're up against.

[murdoch]

28. During the Supreme Court hearings...

...he began talking about abortion. Then he brought out a retarded girl and said something like "this girl is retarded and wasn't aborted". Then the retarded girl stood there for a few more minutes while he talked about abortion. It was very strange.

My mother worked with special ed kids in school. The Republicans are always the ones trying to get rid of these programs. Brownback is trying to cut that stuff as well, he is just "compassionate" enough to want to send women back to back alleys and have them locked up if they're caught having an abortion after one or two months of pregnancy. He wants to drive women to have an abortion with his cuts, and then punish them when they do.

Trying to make sense of these people or talking to some ambitious lawyer like him is pointless. We just have to keep on pushing. If you have a long term view, the conservatives are getting weaker and weaker every year. Them not being able to pass the Social Security abomination is one sign of that. They are gradually getting weaker on a fundamental level, I have no doubt about that. The question I have is are we getting stronger?

[sarcasmo]

29. The really scary thing is that so many others are like Brownback.

This nation is doomed.

[OneBlueSky]

30. sounds like a Christian Reconstructionist/Dominionist . . .

and these are some truly scary (and insane) people . . .

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
By Katherine Yurica
February 11, 2004
The Yurica Report

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm

[atommom]

32. Exactly.

From the RS article:
They were striving, ultimately, for what Coe calls "Jesus plus nothing" -- a government led by Christ's will alone. In the future envisioned by Coe, everything -- sex and taxes, war and the price of oil -- will be decided upon not according to democracy or the church or even Scripture. The Bible itself is for the masses; in the Fellowship, Christ reveals a higher set of commands to the anointed few.