I think this constant drum of angry Dems (Hil) is taking on a image

[rodeodance]

of the Dean Scream. I was just flipping and heard two talking of angry Hil on Fox. and will be coming up on the Beltway boys.

[MADem]

1. Angry??? Angry Hillary???? Tweety tried to float that turd last week

It didn't float, either.

Of course, on Faux they put waterwings on their turds, just to keep them bobbing along.

Pick up the remote, change the channel. You will feel better, really!

[amitten]

2. It's hard to pin "angry" on the Dems when people like Rush,

O'Reilly, and Coulter are speaking for the Republicans! :eyes:

[Kierkegaard]

9. Yep. Typical rethug hypocrisy.

Apparently, they haven't been paying attention when one of their own foaming at the mouth, screaming psychos is soaking up air time on one of the networks. Michelle "Psycho Bitch" Malkin anyone?

[rodeodance]

12. sure 'we' see it as hypocrasy, but does the general voting public?--that

is the important question.

[aquart]

18. What utter contempt for your fellow Americans.

Really, just what we need.

[rodeodance]

27. no, just being realistic. If an individual(s) does not see the hypocrasy,

then that that bad sign to me.

[aquart]

30. So. Contempt is "realistic."

[rodeodance]

35. Lets get one thing clear, I did not use the word contempt, you did and

can we have a conversation instead of you blasting me please. Would be appreciated.

[Kierkegaard]

26. No, they don't.

With the complicity of the 'liberal' media, the hit and run tactics of the Punks usually stick pretty well, despite usually being utter bullshit. The sad part is that they can use just about any meme and be effective because of their ability to saturate the airwaves with it. Mehlman could say 'Democrats have funny kneecaps...' and before long, Poultry, Shammity, Limpbag, O'Shutup and all the other reich-wing air wasters would be repeating it ad nauseum.

[rodeodance]

28. you said it well.

[aquart]

36. Naturally. He agreed with you.

Funny thing, that.

[Kierkegaard]

44. Yes, naturally.

Based on what knowledge of me? What is your deal? You don't see the down side of being labeled and packed off to obscurity? There is nothing wrong with us being angry, as we should feel justified by the actions of this den of thieves in Washington. We should, however, be very vocal about the assertion that we are defined by that anger. That is part of WHAT we are, but does not entirely define WHO we are.

[aquart]

34. It only works when Dems start asking, "What can we do about our kneecaps?

[rodeodance]

17. seems to me the label is still floating and doing damage.

[aquart]

22. Really. How many places have you posted this deep concern?

Just wondering.

[rodeodance]

25. i think i did did it once before--but I am concerned that this label may

be doing damage to Dems in general. Just making an observation. not sure what to do about it.

[Jane Austin]

3. Maybe you should change the channel?

n't

[rodeodance]

7. i want to seriously discuss this image of the 'angry dem' or Hil.

[aquart]

23. I hope they see us as angry.

Would you rather they see us as happy and contented?

Would you rather we be silent and very polite? Deferential to our masters?

Is that what you'd like?

[Kierkegaard]

42. The problem with allowing them to paint us as 'angry' is

that once it has stuck, they will then show the world why that is a bad thing. This will be much easier than it was for them to stigmatize the word 'liberal.' Remember when being a liberal used to be a good thing?

[rodeodance]

43. Just the way they utter the word already implies it is bad. I just starte

d voting age when the card carrying liberal crapola was dumped on Dakacus. It was his dimise.

[MADem]

67. It's Dukakis, and his DEMISE was that his campaign was badly managed

and Kitty had a bad booze problem, and he completely BLEW the death penalty question. And then there was the tank photo.

Anger is good. The reason the GOP is whining about it is because they have NO ANSWERS TO REAL ISSUES. If they keep up their current horseshit and name-calling, it'll come back to bite them in the ass.

You need to worry a bit less. Maybe be a bit more proactive, rather than looking for trouble when there is none there.

[Auntie Bush]

51. Well let's pin our "I'm Angry" pin on our lapel and wear it with

pride right along side our "Proud to be Liberal " pin.

Every time they mention we seem angry...counter it with ,"Damn right I'm angry!" and here's why. Then rattle off a list of talking points of WHY the hell we are indeed ANGRY! It will give us a much needed opportunity to discuss WHY we're angry. I say go for it! I admit it. I'm angry! How about you?

[Kierkegaard]

52. I'm DAMNED angry, but I'm not running for office either.

I could see this being used as rebuttal in civil discourse, but not on the National level.

The trouble is that we have little opportunity to 'rattle off' that list. We seldom have more than a sound bite's worth of time to rebut. Instead of playing defense, I think we should develop our own offense to make them spend their time deflecting legitimate criticisms. Lord knows we have a warehouse full of amunition.

[Auntie Bush]

54. Well it only takes a few seconds to say...

Damn right I'm angry! I'm angry at all the lies!

or...I'm angry at losing the freedoms that thousands of soldiers fought and died for.

Hopefully these comments will lead to a discussion. I know...Fat chance!

[Kierkegaard]

55. Hey, you never know...

judging by what the DNC just released, I'd say that the possibility is there!
If they keep up tough talk like this, maybe they will get some attention in the media.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2453582

[calimary]

63. What you do is smile sweetly at whoever it is calling you "angry" and

respond: "YES, I'm angry. I HATE being LIED TO! And I hate people who try to steal from me and spy on me and try to sneak things by me and actually leave me feeling LESS SAFE from terrorism!"

Or the old favorite - "...because I TRUSTED my president, AND HE LIED TO ME!"

Or... "wouldn't YOU be angry, too, if you were lied to like this? I bet you were angry when Clinton lied about cheating on his wife (or - ...lied about sex), weren't you?"

And if they persist with something like "YEAH? Well, 9/11 changed EVERYTHING!!!" Then you respond with "Oh YEAH? Well, KATRINA changed it BACK!!!"

[aquart]

66. How about, Damn Straight I'm LIBERAL!

[Jane Austin]

59. I guess I was flip because I don't have much tolerance for Fox's

manufactured outrage(s) - - like The War on Christmas.

My frame for discussing this kind of thing is to deride them, as in "Dang, don't they get tired with all that being outraged about every little thing?"

That frame makes Sean Hannity sound like the sissy-pants boy he is. His constant state of outrage makes your average fictional hysterical woman seem like a Buddhist Monk by comparison.

And by extension, it makes anybody who buys into his hysterical vapors seem just as silly. Otherwise they'd flip the channel.

If they can deride John Kerry for sailboarding, and get traction with it, then we can deride them for being silly, hystercal, nosy, whining, complaining and blaming busybodies. You know . . . Gladys Kravitz. :)

Did I leave anything out? Oh, yeah. Remember when the right wing used to complain about Political Correctness? Well how come now they get their panties in a Frist when Hilary Clinton describes the House of Reps as being run like a plantation? Gasp!

In my mind, I see them as giggling little school kids whispering "She said 'Doody'"

BTW, if it sounds like I watch Fox, I don't because Stephanie MIller does it for me. :) She pulls the best/ worst stuff out for her Right Wing World every morning.

[calimary]

64. People like that guy -

I call him the-guy-whose-name-rhymes-with-VANITY - if I do happen to see his smug mug on TV (which isn't very often - I don't patronize businesses like Pox "news" - I holler at him - "oh, boo-hoo, you're just SO VICTIMIZED, sean! You're so TERRIBLY, HORRIBLY AGRIEVED!" And then I play my itty-bitty finger violin to show how greatly I pity him. Now who's the angry one, sean?

I've read more than once - intriguing (and I think spot-on) analysis that points out how these people - THESE people - now have it all. They have the White House. They have the House of Reps. They have the Senate. They have the judiciary. They have the media. They have, I think, a majority of the statehouses. And yet, look at them constantly complaining about how agrieved and victimized and persecuted and disadvantaged and put-upon they are, and frantically groping for boogey-men on which to fix the blame!!! Do you remember when bill frist went to survey the damage and devastation after the tsunami over last New Year's - and what he said in reaction? "There's no one to blame!" He was like a Little Boy Lost. "No one to blame." Certainly couldn't peg THAT one on Dems or liberals now, could ya, bill? As has been said here before - "wow. Just wow."

[wishlist]

4. What else do you expect from Fox? They're never going to praise her n/t

[rodeodance]

37. i really do not expect much else from Fox-but the term has cropped up

on several shows, editorials and press pages this week. Maybe it will die down. I don't know.

[Libby2]

5. They got one thing right.

I'm an angry dem and don't give a damn who knows it.

[rodeodance]

10. yes, but angry is linked with emotional--unstable--not a good image.

[aquart]

24. How dare you?

Seriously. What bloody nerve. UNSTABLE?

We have a raving maniac in the White House and Fox won't cover it. Devote your concern to that issue.

[rodeodance]

31. the term unstable is the unspoken of angry/emotional-not said but

implied. And it is being applied to Dems and Hil.

And you are right about the WH comment.

[BR_Parkway]

6. I'm angry as hell, and if they were more loyal to America instead of

their political party, they'd be just as angry as I am!

Nothing else needs to be said, just keep repeating that one.

[Auntie Bush]

56. We should wear a pin that says..."I'm angry! Ask me why."

That might start a good conversation in the grocery line.

I still say...wear that meme as a badge of honor. Don't them get away with turning it into something to be ashamed of. Then every time we say anything they don't like or we criticize them...they will say we are angry and we'll back off.

[MissMarple]

8. They are trying to get it to fly,but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

It has even been discussed as a GOP "strategy". That really puts it in the lame category.

[rodeodance]

11. seems to me their strategies have been working pretty well (not that

I like it-just making an observation)

[aquart]

16. Lieberman your man?

[rodeodance]

21. why do you ask that?

[aquart]

29. Because you seem so gungho for appeasement.

God forbid we offend the criminals who are robbing us.

I once knew a guard dog who helped the thieves rob a gas station. The memory just jumped into my mind.

Is that what you're hoping for? Shall we become sondercommandos and assist in our own destruction?

GOD FORBID WE BE PERCEIVED AS ANGRY!

[rodeodance]

32. appeasement. I never once said that-nor did I imply that.

[silverweb]

13. Embrace it!

Angry?

ANGRY??

DAMN RIGHT, we're angry, as every citizen of the Earth should be.

Now let's focus that anger into action and rid ourselves of the evil bastards who presume to rule and enslave us for their own power and profit!

[rodeodance]

15. Condi gets labeled as doing 'touch talk' and Hil gets the label of 'angry"

[aquart]

38. By FOX?

Change the channel. Nice of you to give them ratings.

[aquart]

14. FOX???????????

Sure you were just flipping.

There's an easy answer to that. Give the Dean Scream at all our rallies. Give it in response to every damn thing a Republican utters.

The name Yankee was an insult. We took it for our own.

Don't cower. Give it back until they run screaming themselves.

[rodeodance]

19. brave soul if you do that.

[aquart]

33. Experienced.

And cowering in a corner for fear someone will say something nasty about you is a losing formula.

Gandhi: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they
fight you, then you win.

[rodeodance]

39. Good for you.

I have been in several rallies over the years--but actually doing the Dean Scream--um.... who knows I just might try it.

[NanceGreggs]

20. Dems should make some positive hay out of this ...

... take every opportunity, especially when on-air (radio or TV) to say, "Yes, we ARE angry. That's because we represent the American people, and THEY are angry."

Then launch into a laundry list of what the Administration and the GOP are doing to piss people off: high gas prices, high heating costs, the lack of health coverage, the lack of assistance for Katrina victims -- the list, of course, is almost endless at this juncture.

Let's face it. MORE Americans are angry these days than are happy with the status quo -- let's make that work FOR US, not AGAINST US!

Edited to add: "The utter corruption going on with the GOP." Mention how THAT'S REALLY got honest, hardworking Americans pissed-off.

[rodeodance]

40. yes, yes.--that will work--if done over and over--hit the bread and butter

issures over and over.

....Then launch into a laundry list of what the Administration and the GOP are doing to piss people off: high gas prices, high heating costs, the lack of health coverage, the lack of assistance for Katrina victims -- the list, of course, is almost endless at this juncture.

[July]

41. Hillary will never -- ever -- be treated fairly by the right.

Therefore, we should ignore them. She is reasonably popular among her constitutents, even the Republicans among them. This BS is the right's signal that they fear her.

[rodeodance]

45. yes, i do think they fear her and he demeaning chatter by them

proves it.

[saltpoint]

46. Dean's volunteers were many and they were earnest and many of them

were in grassroots volunteering for the very first time, and they deserved to hear his enthusiasm. Shame on the "liberal" media for ridiculing Dr. Dean, but even more for ridiculing the people -- many of them teenagers -- who gave their hearts and souls to that effort. Those Dean supporters -- or supporters of any of the candidates for that matter -- were becoming part of the nation's political process and represent citizenship at its highest. For the media to participate in their ridicule is unforgivable.

You may be right about some media rendering Dems' objections to the administration's deceptions as "angry" because it paints the Dems as one-dimensional, excitable, short-sighted, short-fused, and dismissable.

I could definitely see FOX and perhaps other networks playing this card. I would hate it, but I agree that it could be happening. The media have a lot to answer for about the 2000 election, and about Iraq, etc.

[rodeodance]

48. I was so so angry when I saw that scream constantly replayed.

[saltpoint]

50. Yes. It's the media -- presumably adults -- acting like little punks on

the schoolyard taunting and bullying a vulnerable classmate.

Sometimes 6th graders behave with more emotional control and kindness than the ratings-freaks driving the media.

___
rodeodance -- look at this page of yours here. It is a lively, interesting, and intelligent thread. You are a hell of a DUer and I look forward to whatever you have to say on any subject.

Keep on kickin' butt.

[Little Star]

47. I heard some jerk this afternoon saying

Hillary is mean, just plain mean! This was on Fox as I was surfing. I think they are changing their angry meme to a mean meme. It is not the first time I've heard her described as mean this week.

[rodeodance]

57. oh crapola!!

[melody]

49. They're desperately trying to make her the Dem nom

They know they can't win fairly against anyone else. With Hillary, there are people who will automatically not vote for her because she's female. That's why the right is fighting so hard to make her the "formidable opponent" in the Bubble Boy's own words.

[EFerrari]

53. Come back with an image of Gentle Jean attacking Murtha.

:)

[Stinky The Clown]

58. The Frame for 2008 .... being roadtested in 2006.

[Toots]

60. I figured you would be a FOX News watcher.

You use a lot of their talking points...

[msongs]

65. lotta energy here trying to tag the OP as being a freeper

after all, why would some people want freedom of speech on DU? so they can smear another poster with innuendo? and accusation?

as in

"You use a lot of their talking points..."

well there is a finite number of words in human language to express certain situations, and believe it or not,
differing groups of people can use the same words without them being used as talking points.

or is your contention that anyone who watches/associates with FOX automatically your enemy?

How about....Wes Clark? I hear he is on FOX these days.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[DemGa]

61. How about..."Angry? So what?"

[Justpat]

62. As far as I am concerned,

the entire Dem party is not angry enough.

WHy shouldn't they be angry? Their function as a
deliberative body had been eliminated by the GOP
takeover of COngress. They are shut out of meetings,
given five minutes to look over a budget before it
is passed and they are slapped in public for any
effort to actually do their job.

They should be screaming from the rooftops. This idea
that you can't be angry to participate in politics is
one floated by the party that has to control their image
as the party of reason as they rape and pillage our economy
and our constitution.

I will vote for any Dem with the guts to speak up. I am
waiting for the day when one of them is angry enough to fight.

[yellowdogmi]

68. There was a thread within the last week that

basically pointed out that yes I am angry.

I am angry that they stole two elections
I am angry that they allowed 911 to happen.
I am angry that they lied about WMD's to invade a sovereign nation.
I am angry about the pathetic response to Katrina.
I am angry about the attacks on our civil rights.

If you are not angry you haven't been paying attention.

I wish I could find the thread because it put this much more eloquently than I have. In essence we need to point out that our anger is righteous and that anyone not angry is a kool-aid drinking moran.