For all those delighting in the Cheney shooting incident

[saracat]

does it occur to anyone that this is just the excuse the Admin wants to get rid of Cheney in order to create a viable GOP candidate for 2008? This incident might create just the situation they want to compel Cheney to resign. I never thought I would want Cheney to continue as VP but the alternative is chilling.
Maybe all the buzz about Condi and McCain has something to do with this? Hmmm. I suggest we cool our jets and NOT play this up. I know it is fun to a degree but consider the consequences if they pull something like this off.

[Caution]

1. The further away Cheney is from the Presidency the better (n/t)

[mattclearing]

2. "I've got it! We'll give him a shotgun, and throw a lawyer in his way!"

Somehow this seems far-fetched.

[Debi]

4. It's always the lawyer that gets it.......n/t

[saracat]

9. I Know the shooting was an accident. I simply mean they will use this to

compell Cheney to resign. I doubt he wants to. If a poor tacker were the thing to convince him, they would have used it long ago! This will be something like 'save us the embarassment" etc.

[mattclearing]

14. Dude, if they wanted to save themselves the embarassment

Bush would resign with him.

[saracat]

20. Good one!

Too bad they don't see it that way!

[DURHAM D]

3. This incident will be the reason Cheney can't/won't resign.

A Cheney resignation now would indicate he is a wimp.

No matter what the Repugs have got to be seen as resolute, won't be pushed around, bullies.

[jobycom]

5. That would be beautiful for us.

If they make their 2008 hopeful the VP now, it will kill their chances in 2008. The only way the Repubs win is if they run away from Bush, not connect themselves to him.

[NYCGirl]

6. They don't need a diversion to replace him. He has a bad ticker — that's

enough. If the GOP wants to throw Cheney under the bus, they'll do it whether we make fun of his shooting skills or not.

[jaxx]

Doesn't make any sense to me.

We're told to shut up about too many things, in order not to give the pubs ammo.

It's time we tell it like it is, and let the chips fall where they may. I'm sick of having to walk on eggs to keep the freakin pubs happy. Are we the democrat party, or are we a bunch of chickens?

[applegrove]

7. If they could turn him into Jesus and have him retire for all the GOP

sins - I'm sure they will.

Doubt very much shooting was anything but an accident.

So too - Fitz got testimony out of Skooter re: at times VP & others declassifying & leaking stories to the press - we know this already & Fitzgerald is trying to show a pattern. No proof so far anyone said Cheney actually ordered leaks on Plame.

But - yeah - if they can make someone walk away with the fault of everything - they will. Cause don't ya know it is all about myth and not about details or facts.

Really - I think this shooting is a tragedy. I'm sure WH does too. Though - as per usual - it automatically becomes "how to spin".

[saracat]

15. I think the shooting is an accident. But I think they will use it to get

Cheney to resign under its cover while Libby is "singing". That way they get to ,Ahem, forgive the allusion , kill two bids with one stone, and create viability for 2008. I say ignore this and scream about Scooter.

[applegrove]

16. Hunters are such big Repuke voters. And hunters hate an incompetant

and dangerous buddy with a gun. The serious ones just do.

[quiet.american]

8. Seems more like the timing buries the Cheney/Plame connection.

In fitful spurts, it's being reported that Libby has fingered Cheney as the "insidious traitor" who told him to out Valerie Plame.

This is getting buried amidst all the public hoopla over the shooting, isn't it.

[applegrove]

19. We have testimony that Cheney told Scooter about Plame. And that

Cheney & others authorized the leaking of separate classified intel (which they then would have de-classified). Both of these are old (we always knew that WH leaked to the press when it served their case for war ie: Judith Miller & others). The two have not been linked with any testimony.

[quiet.american]

21. Actually, according to the Sunday talkfests, "old" is new again

It may be old news to us who are interested in these sort of things, but what was published last week in regard to this matter has ratcheted up MSM interest:

http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/02/13/ap2521516.html

According to published reports last week, Libby told a federal grand jury that he disclosed in July 2003 the contents of a classified National Intelligence Estimate as part of the Bush administration's defense of intelligence used to justify invading Iraq.

Fitzgerald said in the documents it was his understanding that "Mr. Libby testified that he was authorized to disclose information about the NIE to the press by his superiors."

The White House has refused to comment on the case....

.... <Howard> Dean initially called for Cheney's resignation when he appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday. "I don't think the vice president has any credibility on national security whatsoever, and I think he's in deep trouble," Dean said on CBS.

Court documents do not identify Libby's superiors. But Dean said on CNN, "You only have one superior if you're the chief of staff and that's the vice president."

[Suburban_Iconoclast]

10. this "accident proves"...

that this Cheney model of Terminator is indeed obsolete. Since he also failed to terminate Sarah Connor her child John will lead mankind to victory against the machines, ushering in a new dawn for humanity.

[montana500]

11. Good! If the VP resigns it's a victory for us.

I'll take any win we can get. They haven't exactly been happening very often.

[Inland]

12. If Cheney needs to resign, they can always use health.

Randi Rhodes has been predicting his health is going to take a turn for the worse this summer, because she thinks they are going to replace him.

[saracat]

17. But Cheney doesn't WANT to resign.

They could have used "Ill health" a long time ago. He would have to be forced. That is where they can "use" this. I doubt it was preplanned. This is more of a "happy accident" for them if not for Whittington!

[Inland]

18. But they can't make cheney resign regardless.

He could kill a dozen texans and not have lower poll numbers. He ain't going nowhere if he doesn't want to.

[liberal N proud]

13. If it gets rid of him, all the better.

Laugh him out of office.

Who know what we would get to replace him, CUNDI? OOPS, that thought made me :puke: Now I have to clean my keyboard, Yuck!

[okieinpain]

22. dude, if the dems can't come up with someone in 08 to beat a repug

then they don't deserve to win anything. now having said that let the cheney jokes continue.