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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:08 PM
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I want to call for Peace here at DU re. Hackett...
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 01:11 PM by slor
Some of us here have a deep distrust of members of the Democratic Party that have been too cowardly to take on the chimp regime, and have even appeared to be outwardly supportive of him and his policies. We saw in Paul Hackett, a man that was willing to stand up to the lies of this administration, and did not mince his words about it. We saw him come within a couple of points of winning in a area of Ohio that is as red as it gets. To hear that this man was pushed out of politics, and to hear, at least initially, the methods used to reach that goal, were troubling to say the least. At first glance, for some that may not know all of the facts, it was another potential example of Dems snatching victory from the jaws of success. That may or may not have been the case, we will never know. But what saddens me more is the anger I have seen directed at those that were troubled by what happened to Hackett.

We all want the bush regime out of office, and short of stealing an election, which we have seen rethugs do twice, I will do whatever it takes. But, I also want the best candidate sent up for the job, and this seemed like we were not getting all of our options. When I enter the voting booth on the next election day, I will support whomever my party sends up. But I will not forget the reasons why we are where we are. I will not forget that Gore wanted a statewide recount of Florida, but was advised against this by his lawyers, which played right into the hands of rove and the right-wing media. I will not forget how Howard Dean was marginalized by people in his own party, even while he was saying the things I wanted a politician to say most. And I have no doubt, this decision regarding Hackett, will play right into the hands of rove. As such, I will retain the right to question those in charge of our party that allowed these, and many other poor judgments, to occur.

The fact is, that we do have "bad apples" in our party, and some want us to vote for them just because they have a D next to their name on the TV screen. Well, I will not do that during the Primaries. We need true progressives to fix our country, not DLC types, and those are the candidates I will support. In this instance, Brown is certainly an excellent choice. But when I hear Schumer is behind the scenes, I certainly have good reason to ask about it, without being called a member of a circular firing squad. There were some that explained the situation to me in a calm and non-hostile manner and I appreciate that. We are all a little tense, and even frightened by what has happened these past 5 years under this administration. The upcoming mid-terms elections are the most important I have seen in my lifetime, and have a strategic significance much greater than many of our fellow Americans may realize. I can disagree about the candidates and the strategy, but come November, I will be a pragmatist, and support any and all of our Democratic candidates. But when they win, we here at DU also need to stand together and hold their feet to the fire to push a true Progressive agenda to rebuild America.

Thanks for reading my post, and I apologize for the lack of eloquence, I just felt the need to say it to my DU family.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:11 PM
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1. And you explained it very well. I too will support any Dem, but I reserve
the right to be critical of those whose motives I suspect. I feel that we cannot go back to "politics as usual". It is only by ushering in a new day of the grassroots that we will begin to win! Thank you for your excellent post!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:14 PM
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2. Here...Here....well said saracat..
:applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:18 PM
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3. Good post
"Save your powder", as they say, for the primaries. That's where the fireworks should happen.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:21 PM
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4. As I said in another thread ...
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 01:57 PM by BattyDem
I don't live in Ohio, so I don't know all the details about the race or the candidates, but as far as I'm concerned, that's not the issue.

We have primaries for a reason. If the Democrats have now adopted the GOP-tactic of "anointing" a candidate instead of allowing the people to choose their candidate through the primary process, then we've got a very serious problem because that means BOTH major political parties are now shutting us out of the debate.

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riona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:24 PM
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5. DLC
Wouldn't you think they would listen to new ideas? I haven't seen much to admire in their leadership for years - and it's obvious the voters didn't either. No apologies necessary, slor
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:27 PM
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6. You speak well for many of us on this site
We will vote for a Dem. over a Repub. without hesitating. But our choices seem to be the "chosen" ones, primaries appear to be controlled by those in Washington. The "chosen" ones are not winning. I like what you said about the legal advice (to say nothing of the advice his stratigist were giving him, wear brown, don't defend the cheap shots from the repubs.,etc.) that Gore was getting, not good. Course at that time we had no idea how bad the repubs. had become, lying, cheating, etc. The repubs want us to Trust them with tapping into any wires that may have terrorist connections. The U.S. has lost its prospective, even our Dem. leaders seem to be totally confused by the repubs. We need leaders that are not afraid of losing their job and start representing the people. Surely they get enough e-mail to give them a clue.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:29 PM
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7. Since neither Schumer, Reid or Sherod Brown are DLC
please stop using that term. I mean, it's not like it was Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh asking him to step down.

I find it offensive.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:38 PM
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8. Notice, slor said DLC "types?
Getting hung up on names and labeling is silly. It is what a politician stands for, dems are all over the place with ideas, that is good, America is diverse.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:57 PM
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13. I'm even bugged by that 'types' label
because it's essentially the poster making the decision of where the candidate stands in the grand scheme of life.

I believe in the Yoda philosphy of membership - either you are or you aren't, there are no types!
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:41 PM
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9. Sorry to get your "your panties in a bunch"...
Edited on Tue Feb-14-06 01:46 PM by slor
but I did say "DLC types", Which is what I use to call out Dems that seem too pro-corporate, and I am sorry that you came to a "DU needs to be united, and I want Peace here" post, and made it offensive to yourself. Please do not do that.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:42 PM
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10. Slor, great post. I don't totally shut out DLC, but....
....YOU explained your position so clearly and effectively! Sometimes we do need to stop, take a breath, and realize that we are not members of an organized political party....WE ARE DEMOCRATS!!!
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:45 PM
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11. I won't shut them out...
but when we win, I want to see a progressive agenda pushed HARD. We must all make sure that we hold OUR people to that.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-14-06 01:50 PM
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12. I agree totally. I also remember when Clinton pushed the gay...
....agenda, which I completely agreed with, but it had alot to do with us losing the House and Senate later on. But I DO believe that people are ready for a much more progressive agenda after this FASCIST agenda we have been held under since 2001!
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