Great post by Kos over at DailyKos: Re Hackett vs. Brown

[LynneSin]

This is stuff even I didn't even know:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/14/0135/82714

Update: To make something clear, Hackett is complaining about betrayal. Yet Rahm was trying to get him to become one of his candidates. In other words, Rahm was recruiting him. That's not a bad thing. That's a flattering thing.

To be clear -- Hackett didn't stand a chance. He had a tenth of Brown's money, and that was before party people allegedly tried to stop Hackett's donors from giving. His field operation in the special election was literally put together and implemented by Dan Lucas. Who is Dan Lucas? Sherrod Brown's campaign manager. Hackett's netroots effort in the special election was put together by Tim Tagaris. And while Tim is now at the DNC, he helped put together Brown's netroots operation.

So it was Brown's people who helped put together the nuts and bolts of Hackett's special election campaign, and they were now working for their boss -- Sherrod Brown.

To be further clear, Brown announced his candidacy before Hackett did. Yes, Reid and Schumer were urging Hackett to run, but he wouldn't commit to running. Labor Day, the traditional announcement day for most candidates, came and went with Hackett refusing to say what his plans were. So after waiting and waiting and waiting, Brown essentially said "fuck it" and got in. It was only after news of Brown's impending announcement were leaked that Hackett decided to commit to the race.

[wakeme2008]

1. to bad KOS lies a lot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=411952&mesg_id=411995

[sui generis]

2. well speaking for my own experience in the matter

I can't think of anything Brown has done to get me excited about sending him money, and as certain posters like to point out, I ain't even FROM Ohio. But I gave Hackett money because I had the same kind of thrill that he would be a "different" kind of democratic candidate, as I got from Dean. I was prepared to accept some lack of senatorial decorum for someone who was innately fair minded and honest about the dynamic between people and politics.

Maybe there are lessons to be learned all around.

Ultimately if you truly believe in evolution, it happens in politics too. We lost the last two elections to cheating, black box voting, smear campaigns, our inability to reach the middle, being painted as immoral for supporting gay issues, whatever, name the excuse, because we weren't evolved enough to overcome those things and win by a landslide on our own strong merits and conviction and ability to convey our message effectively, and in a way that got people united and excited. We can't win any election by merely not losing, or any little bit of cheating will throw us, any idiotic swiftboat non-scandal will ruin us.

Hackett lost his bid for the senate because he wasn't politically evolved enough to be there - I would agree there is a value in looking at the process like this, even if I despise it.

However I also have to add that my vote is becoming more sophisticated and my knowledge of topics and candidates more sophisticated and I don't want other people to gaze into their non-existant crystal balls and make those choices for me.

So I'll have to say that in many ways, the democratic party is evolving AWAY from a party that I would blindly give my vote to, and I'm not a lone crackpot in this. More than ever we have to rely on building unity from the bottom up. If I were Hackett I wouldn't get out of politics. I'd just get out of the democratic party. I think he's a really good guy and could have done amazing things for us if we'd been willing to capitalize on his strength and charisma, even if that meant looking for alternatives to "politics as usual".

[LynneSin]

3. To be honest, I thought the same thing about Hackett

so if people call me bitter it's because I feel betrayed. Not by the DC Democrats but by a man who was going to run a different kind of campaign. He didn't. When he didn't get what he wanted from the DSCC he took his ball and went home. And to be honest, it broke my heart just as much as it did many others here at DU.

But it made me angry because here was this guy running as a 'new thinker/outsider' on the democratic party that basic quit because of not being able to deal with the pressure. Hackett failed us by saying that because the DSCC opted to go with the candidate who not only was out-fund-raising him but even out-polling him that somehow he felt he should just quit altogether.

I am just challenged by quitters which is why I won't back down from this argument. If he was truly the grassroots candidate he should have kept on going, knocking on the doors and doing what it takes to fight. Or hell better, yet just announce he was going independent so he could run the campaign he wanted - screw all the parties.

He didn't do that - he just quit.

[Pithy Cherub]

4. You are not alone. As more information

becomes available and the status quo is is declared that this is the way it will always be, means I can make significant changes to the way I do political business. One at a time eventually does become a movement. ;)

[Douglas Carpenter]

5. yes, Mr. Hackett got treated very badly. but Sherrod Brown is a strong

progressive with an overall VERY strong progressive voting record all around.

He is supported by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is a strong member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8


2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 84 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 77 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 90 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Education Association 89 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 94 percent in 2003-2004.

2004 In 2004 National Organization for Women endorsed Representative Brown.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

[wakeme2008]

6. Add Flip Flopper to that list

"He first posted "My Plans for 2006" on August 17, 2005. On October 7, 2005, the post below was updated to omit the following paragraphs:

After discussions with my family, closest friends, and colleagues in Congress, I have decided to seek re-election to the United States House of Representatives. The race for U.S. Senate is very winnable, and there are a number of impressive Democrats considering a run who I am confident will defeat the incumbent in 2006. "

[msongs]

7. brown flip flop bad? = hackett flip flop good? nt

[wakeme2008]

8. Hackett did not flip flop

sorry