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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:01 AM
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DLC = Democrats Lose Congress. The lastest-screwing Hackett
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 01:02 AM by autorank
Give Alito a bye, stab Hackett in the back.

What next?

:nuke:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:03 AM
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1. I don't think we can blame the DLC for this
We do have the finger prints of Rahm Emmanuel, Chuck Schumer, and Harry Reid.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:05 AM
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2. Agreed. The DLC may be evil, but they didn't do this.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:07 AM
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5. Like I said...it's all about "being prudent" for the corporate money.
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 01:17 AM by autorank
Hackett is too bold, to honest, to earthy for the prim and proper K Street crow, the ultimate prize of both parties. The "leadership" says, "oh, we need the corporate money" and that makes them DLC de facto. I'm sick of it.

Kerry raised most of hismoney from us, not through corporate whoring.

Can't theses guys understand numbers?

Apparently not.

It's all DLC when you push aside the truth tellers.

I like Brown, btw, and want him to win. This is a commentary on
our "leadership," or lack there of.

On edit: Check this out too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2460894&mesg_id=2460928
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:15 AM
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11. Sherrod Brown is far more progressive than Hackett, but that is not the
issue. The issue is how the party hacks in Washington DC decided that their judgment was better than that of the Ohio primary voters. I fear that they will use this same kind of tactics to scuttle any candidate that they don't like.

There is more at stake here than Ohio!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:20 AM
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13. We agree. Again, I WANT Brown in the Senate! But the "hacks" must go.
But then, who would lead the Senate Democrats? I like Durbin, gave to his first campaign (a lot but that's a story for another day). Would they elect him? Does he have the fire in the belly?

Who will fight the tyranny? Who will stand up?

These are not rhetorical questions. I'd like to know.

The House is an easier matter...plenty of Democrats with mucho guts and flair.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:25 AM
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15. Durbin is voting for PATRIOT compromise
Feingold is going to filibuster it.

Now, take a guess as to who do I prefer?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:33 AM
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20. We both prefer Feingold...damn, I want my money back:)
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:30 AM
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18. An Odd Point, My Hoosier Friend
Whjat you call "the party hacks" have in this instance selected a genuine progressive and liberal, and evidently done so because they feel he will have a better chance at success in the general election than the other contender. It is very hard for me to see what you are complaining of. Maj. Hackett's perceived strength was his appeal to cross-over moderate Republicans; in most instances where a figure wins a Democratic primary on the basis of such votes, there are loud cries here that Republicans cooked the primary, and the result did not really reflect what Democrats wanted.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:38 AM
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22. I suspect that similar tactics will be used to fix the '08 race
A Connecticut DUer posted how the party hacks were applying pressure to Ned Lamont to keep him from challenging Joe Lieberman. The one thing that is clear is that the Beltway Democrats don't trust the American people anymore than the Republicans do.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:45 AM
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23. As Always, My Friend
The professional leadership will have a hand in the outcome. That cannot be avoided. What is odd to me is the unspoken assumption that the decision of several tens of millions of Democratic voters would be wildly different than the decision of their leadership. There does not seem to me any particular reason to suppose that would be the case.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:48 AM
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26. We will never know since the decision was taken away
from the Ohio primary voters.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:54 AM
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28. Several Things We Do Know, My Friend
There will be a good deal more money available in the general election. There will be no charges circulated against a Democratic candidate by a Democratic opponent for the Republicans to repeat with the pious formulae "...even fellow Democrats agree that this candidate is seriously flawed...." Rep. Brown's entire effort of attack through both the primary season and the general election will be aimed exclusively at his Republican opponent.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:59 AM
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31. The operation may be successful even if the patient dies.
:(
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:02 AM
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32. No, Ma'am, It Cannot
A dead patient is an infallible indicator of a failed operation....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:07 AM
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33. Then I have to wonder, Sir, at the wisdom of removing
the representation from the democracy. But, I am not a politican and do not know Ohio. I am only just old enough, though, to remember a primary that gave up this young upstart. :)

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:13 AM
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34. Representation Is Not Removed, Ma'am
The leadership of a political party is, after all, representative of its members.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:34 AM
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36. Good leadership is -- maybe we can agree on that. n/t
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:15 AM
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46. leadership is representative of it's donors.
has been forever. hopefully, somewhere along the line, there is an intersection, but anymore......... not so much.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:32 AM
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41. if you can remember, Gene McCarthy's supporters felt betrayed by Bobby
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:08 AM by Douglas Carpenter
Bobby only entered the race after Gene McCarthy had proved LBJ's vulnerability by making an impressive showing in the New Hampshire primary. Gene McCarthy and his people had operated under the assumption that Bobby would stick to his public statements about not running in 1968.

Anyway the point I am making is that politics only rivals show business as the ultimate world of fair weather friends. It's not nice. But it's how it goes.

I had already made a donation to Sherrod Brown's race some time ago for the simple reason that he is undeniably one of the most progressive members of the U.S. House of Representatives. I am not certain what Mr. Hackett's positions on issues are. But he certainly is attempting to run as a centrist. When all is done and said, I want to make the Democratic Party into a more more progressive party and to see more progressives elected. I do though agree that the DC leadership handled this badly.

____________

Brown Tops DeWine in New Poll
An Opinion Consultants poll finds Ohio voters favor Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) for the U.S. Senate over incumbent Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), 43% to 38%

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/01/26/brown_tops_dewine_in_new_poll.html
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 07:48 AM
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42. You didn't have the Congressional leaders sabotaging Gene
or Bobby by calling their donors and using all kinds of trickery and threats to get them to stop donating.

The only parallel to 1968 is that Democratic party leaders are as unable and unwilling to stop the war in Iraq as they were Vietnam.

McCarthy and Kennedy's campaigns were insurgencies against the status quo.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:48 AM
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38. And of the three only Rahm is DLC
At least according to the last list I saw.

Sherrod Brown sure isn't.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:05 AM
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3. autorank, check this entry I found at MCM's blog from 8/2005 on
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:16 AM
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12. Damn,MCM really lays it out. Thanks sfexpat2000, you clever dog!
Mark Crispin Miller (from his blog):
http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2005_08_07_markcrispinmiller_archive.html

"I was at a private house party on August 2nd in Georgia with Senators Reid, Schumer and Pryor.

And the grand DLC plan is simple for 2006 - no DEM primaries. They plan to choose the DLC candidate and force all others out of the race. Just like they did in PA with Casey.

The exact Schumer (DSCC Chair) quote is:
"We are no longer letting Democrats get in a circle and shoot each other. We are going to intervene if any one Democrat attacks another. We are doing that in states where there are primaries. ......this always happens in the primaries, people throw up the cards and see where they land. No more. We're finding the best candidates in every one of the seats where republicans are vunerable. "

So, bye bye primaries, folks. The good DLC will be choosing our candidates from here on out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:25 AM
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16. Want to play "Is this Something?" I checked on that poll that was
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 01:34 AM by sfexpat2000
being circulated here this morning, showing Hackett trailing Brown. It was a Feldman poll. I don't know anything about Feldman polls. :shrug:

But one of the first entries in my search was this announcement of that disgusting report Brazile et all did on OH 2004 -- you know the one I mean. And Feldman shows up:

Diane Feldman - Diane Feldman is President of The Feldman Group, a highly regarded national political research firm. Established in 1989, The Feldman Group has worked with Democratic candidates from President of the United States to local school board president, and with unions, issue campaigns, initiatives and referenda across the country. The Feldman Group has helped win elections nationally and in 40 states. In 2004, Feldman was a part of the Kerry - Edwards 04 polling team. Before founding The Feldman Group, Feldman was a partner at Feldman, Lester & Associates, and Senior Associate with Greenberg Research. Feldman is a research as well as political professional. She holds a PhD in experimental psychology and quantitative methods from the State University of New York at Binghamton and has held research fellowships at Yale University and Duke University.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/03/democratic_nati_13.php


Is this Something? I don't know.

A little more on edit:


June 07, 2005
Democrats Must Emphasize Shared Values
A poll by Democratic pollster Diane Feldman finds that, "while voters understand that they are divided politically, morally and religiously, there is a predominant set of 'shared ideals' that 'transcend partisanship,'" according to The Hotline. Those shared values include "self determination, freedom of action, strong families, and a more just society."

The poll also shows that voters are "very dissatisfied with the state of political affairs" and "believe the country is falling short on some of" these shared values.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/democrats/

An analysis of the poll by (seeming) Hackett supporters:

http://blog.oh02.com/category/speculation/page/1/
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:46 AM
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25. Well, that says it all...
I'm so glad we have our dear leaders to decide all this for us... (sigh)

You know, my dad once told me "Even a beneficent dictator is still a dictator..."

I'm sorry, I guess I'm a greedy oldtimer. I want my primaries. I thought they meant something...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:49 AM
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27. It's easier to let those wiser make all of our decisions.
In fact, I'd like to know what to have for breakfast. Let's send Chuck and Harry an email and see if they can chart our moment by moment actions over the next 48 hours.

"Father knows best!" But spudonna knows better!
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:56 AM
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30. Dear Chuck and Harry...
"I think I may need a bathroom break? Is that possible?"

:hurts:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:41 AM
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37. They both need to take a shower after this one;)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:20 AM
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43. wow great find:
Dems want to abolish primaries!




From Roxanne:

I was at a private house party on August 2nd in Georgia with Senators Reid, Schumer and Pryor.

And the grand DLC plan is simple for 2006 - no DEM primaries. They plan to choose the DLC candidate and force all others out of the race. Just like they did in PA with Casey.

The exact Schumer (DSCC Chair) quote is:
"We are no longer letting Democrats get in a circle and shoot each other. We are going to intervene if any one Democrat attacks another. We are doing that in states where there are primaries. ......this always happens in the primaries, people throw up the cards and see where they land. No more. We're finding the best candidates in every one of the seats where republicans are vunerable. "

So, bye bye primaries, folks. The good DLC will be choosing our candidates from here on out.

The quote begins at 12:57 of the audio file. Download the file here:

http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=5611597 (editor's note: this link will no longer be active after August 26th, 2005)

Roxanne

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2005_08_07_markcrispinmiller_archive.html

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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:06 AM
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4. You might look around a bit...
Before you display your lack of knowledge. DLC had nothing to do with this. And in fact, as has been posted on here ad nauseum, Sherrod Brown is a very progressive candidate...endorsed by the PDA in this race.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:12 AM
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9. I like Brown. I want him to win. He's not DLC. I don't like the Senate
"leadership" which crushed a guy who had balls to big for them to handle, who would
have raised hell in the primary like he did in Ohio's 2nd special election last August.

I did look around, and I took a good look at Hackett. I wrote an article on Hackett's
race in the Ohio 2nd District special election ("loss" to Jean Schmidt of Murtha slander
fame. Here's part of it:


http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0508/S00186.htm

Hackett runs a strong campaign.

Hackett had three major advantages that many Democratic candidates lack. He had just finished an active duty tour in the military, he aggressively engages in intense political combat without flinching, and he has a concealed weapons carry permit. In addition to that, he opposes the war in Iraq with firsthand knowledge, is strong on national security, and has harsh comments for his Republican opponents. In a Cincinnati Post statement, Hackett said of Schmidt, “If you think America needs another career politician steeped in a culture of corruption who does as she’s told and toes the line on failed policies, then I’m not your candidate.” He referred to Schmidt as a “rubber stamp” Republican. He called Republican supporters of the war “chicken hawks” and he was harshly critical of President Bush. Just before the election, Hackett said of Bush, “I don’t like the son of a bitch who lives in the White House but I’ll put my life on the line for him.”


Hackett greets fellow vet former
Sen. Max Cleland, D, GA.Cleland
was injured in Viet Nam. Cleland
lost a questionableSenate election
in Georgia in 2002.

Hackett raised significant funds locally and from Internet activist Democrats, and had some support from the national Democratic Party. Schmidt received an infusion of over $500 thousand during the last few days of the campaign, which allowed her a significant media advantage just before Election Day. The candidates had two formal debates and several joint appearances on local television. Hackett gave strong performances during the debates and appearances and was described by some as charismatic.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:08 AM
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6. It's not like Hackett opposed the war or anything.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:32 AM
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19. Yes...
:sarcasm:

...but he's awfully loud and he uses profanity an so forth. He gets angry and even called the President a "son of a bitch." My goodness, we can't have this in the "gentleman's club" no no, shhh... great minds at work (endorsing war, passing huge budget deficits, approving Roberts & Alito). Being a Quisling is a hard job, a hard job. Mustn't upset the decorum.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:36 AM
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21. I was not being sarcastic. Hackett wants to stay in Iraq for now.
Hackett says, really strongly, that the war was "mismanaged". He says the troops should stay in Iraq for now.

Hackett is not "anti-iraq" war. He does believe it has been "mismanaged".

AMY GOODMAN: So, you would return to fight a war that you think is unjust?

PAUL HACKETT: Well, I've not said it's unjust. I have said that it's been mismanaged by the administration. I have said it was a poor use of our military. I'm not quite sure the implication of the label of unjust, so I'm uncomfortable using that. I have been critical of it up and down, but to me, that's not inconsistent with my desire to want to serve and my desire to want to lead marines and be with them in the field. .....

AMY GOODMAN: Do you think that the U.S. should get out of Iraq?

PAUL HACKETT: I'm not there yet. I think that -- let me step back and say, when you say, ‘Should the U.S. get out of Iraq?’ Yes. Eventually, yes. The question is, are we going to do it tomorrow, or are we going to accomplish the bare minimum and allow the Iraqis to survive within their defined government and social structure? And right now, I don't think that any form of security force in Iraq is capable of providing that for the people.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/03/1419256
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:46 AM
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24. I'm aware of this but this was 08/2005 and my take is different ...
"I have said it was a poor use of our military." Saying it's "unjust" betrays his fellow soldiers and he simply won't do that, period. The "poor use of our military" makes it clear that he did not support it to begin with. There has been a lot happening since this interview, which I read with some interest at the time, August 3, 2005. My guess is that he's aligned with Murtha but it's worth finding out.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:55 AM
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39. Another thing to ask is if he wants permanent bases in Iraq. and
while Murtha did well in calling for troops to leave Iraq, he wants massive presence "over the horizon"... as in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

I disagree that calling an illegal war of agression "unjust" betrays anyone but the politicians who sent the troops to such a crime.

Again, i think it was stupid to pressure him to leave. If he had simply lost to Brown in the primary, Hackett, and his volunteers, would be still be more motivated to help him Brown win in November.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 03:21 AM
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40. We totally agree on the last point. Why don't the Illuminati get it?
You know, the wise ones, those who will "hand pick" our candidates.

We're Democrats, a little messy but we used to win being that way. Now were dull and bland and lose all the time.

I'd like to see some real brains behind these moves instead of evidence of bumbling.

Your point is so correct and simple. They missed it. Telling.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:08 AM
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7. Paul has said he is still committed and will make a difference
He should be encouraged to do so and that is worthy of our energy.

Shooting yourself in the foot (or one of your major donors and players in the face and neck) is a GOP trait.
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:11 AM
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8. Howard Dean is not happy.
Dean blames party's "skullduggery" for withdrawal of popular Ohio Senate candidate

Democratic party chair Howard Dean says he's not happy that Iraqi war veteran Paul Hackett is dropping out of the race for U-S Senate in Ohio.

Dean told a student audience in Miami that "some skulduggery in Washington" improperly led to Hackett's decision to end his bid. And he said Democrats will have a tough time winning if similar things happen to others.


http://www.ktre.com/Global/story.asp?S=4503849&nav=2FH5
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:14 AM
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10. Great for Dean...thanks. He needs to clean house, fire a bunch of 'em.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:23 AM
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14. Draft him BACK into the race. . .
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:26 AM
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17. here's the guy that the DLC supposedly favored
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2460797&mesg_id=2460870

Sherrod Brown is endorsed by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is an outspoken member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...


2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 84 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 77 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 90 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Education Association 89 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 94 percent in 2003-2004.

2004 In 2004 National Organization for Women endorsed Representative Brown.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 01:55 AM
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29. What a horrible DLC beast
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 02:31 AM
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35. I was told to memorize this list
So I went back and found it, because for the life of me, I couldn't remember either Schumer's or Reid's name on it.

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Jim Aldinger, Council Member, Manhattan Beach CA
Patrice Arent, State Senator, UT
David Aronberg, State Senator, FL
Toni Atkins, City Councilmember, San Diego CA
Loranne Ausley, State Representative, FL
Som Baccam, School Board Member, Des Moines IA
Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA
Thurbert Baker, State Attorney General, GA
Brenda Barger, Mayor, Watertown, SD
Gonzalo Barrientos, State Senator, TX
Viola Baskerville, State Delegate, VA
Alan C. Bates, State Senator, OR
Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Melissa Bean, United States Representative, IL
Ralph Becker, State Representative, UT
James Bennett, City Council, St. Petersberg FL
Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV
Ethan Berkowitz, House Democratic Leader, AK
Barbara Blanchard, County Legislator, Tompkins County NY
Patrica M. Blevins, State Senator, DE
Marty Block, Community College Trustee, San Diego CA
Alice Borodkin, State Representative, CO
Lisa Boscola, State Senator, PA
Betty Boyd, State Representative, CO
David Braddock, State Representative, OK
Daniel Brady, State Senator, OH
Zach Brandon, City Councilmember, Madison WI
John Brenner, Mayor, York PA
Bob Brink, Delegate, VA
Matt Brown, Secretary of State, RI
Don Brown, Jr., City Councilman, Louisville, CO
Polly Bukta, State Representative, IA
Cruz M. Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor, CA
Robert Butkin, State Treasurer, OK
Thomas Campbell, State Delegate, WV
Jane Campbell, Mayor, Cleveland OH
Roberto Canchola, Superintendent of Schools, Santa Cruz Co., AZ
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA SCALITO VOTE??? HELLO!!!!
Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA
Twanda Carlisle, Council Member, Pittsburgh PA
Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Adolfo Carrion, Borough President, Bronx NY
Terrance D. Carroll, State Representative, CO
Karen R. Carter, State Representative, LA
Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI
Bill Cegelka, City Council Member, Lexington KY
Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY
Ken Cheuvront, State Senator, AZ
Carol Chumney, Council Member, City of Memphis TN
Paul Clark, Town Supervisor, West Seneca NY
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Martha Coakley, District Attorney, Middlesex County MA
Mark Cohen, State Representative, PA
Steve Cohn, City Councilmember, Sacramento CA
Michael Coleman, Mayor, Columbus, OH
Fran Coleman, State Representative, CO
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Christopher Coons, Council President, New Castle Co., DE
Roy A. Cooper III, Attorney General, NC
Lou Correa, Supervisor, Orange County CA
Cathy Cox, Secretary of State, GA
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
J. Joseph Curran, State Attorney General, MD
Lou D'Allesandro, State Senator, NH
Ruth Damsker, County Commissioner, Montgomery Co., PA
Swati Dandekar, State Representative, IA
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Ray Davis, Registrar, Stafford County VA
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA
Sergio De Leon, Constable, Tarrant County TX
Ryan Deckert, State Senator, OR
Rocky Delgadillo, City Attorney, Los Angeles, CA
Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator, CT I didn't know Dodd was DLC!! :grr:
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Jim Doyle, Governor, WI
Doug Duncan, County Executive, Montgomery County MD
Joseph Dunn, State Senator, CA
Michael Easley, Governor, NC
Doug Echols, Mayor, Rock Hill SC
W.A. Drew Edmondson, State Attorney General, OK
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL tsk, tsk, tsk...Rahm, Rahm, Rahm...shame, shame, shame!
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Robert Faucheux, State Representative, LA
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA FIGURES, doesn't it?
John Fernandez, Mayor, Bloomington IN
Barry R. Finegold, State Representative, MA
Eric Fingerhut, State Senator, OH
Joan Fitz-Gerald, State Senator, CO
Michael L. Fitzgerald, State Treasurer, IA
Jamie Fleet, City Councilman, Gettysburg PA
Elizabeth G. Flores, Mayor, Laredo, TX
Dean Florez, State Assemblymember, CA
Romanie Foege, State Representative, IA
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Dan B. Frankel, State Representative, PA
Shirley Franklin, Mayor, Atlanta GA
John A. Fritchey, State Representative, IL
Douglas F. Gansler, State's Attorney for Montgomery Co., MD
Michael Garcia, State Representative, CO
Steven A. Geller, State Senator, FL
Allen Jay Gerson, Council Member, New York City NY
Glen D. Gilmore, Mayor, Hamilton NJ
Michael Golden, Borough Council Member, Jenkintown PA
Ron Gonzales, Mayor, San Jose, CA
Charlie Gonzalez, United States Representative, TX
Phil Gordon, Mayor, Phoenix AZ
Ken Gordon, State Senator, CO
Jennifer Granholm, Governor, MI THIS is too bad, Jen.
Darlene Green, City Comptroller, St. Louis, MO
Ron L. Greenstein, State Representative, FL
James S. Gregory, City Councilman, Bethlehem, PA
Wendy Greuel, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Daniel Grimes, City Council, Goshen IN
Peter C. Groff, State Representative, CO
Daniel Grossman, State Senator, CO
Ken Guin, Majority Leader, AL
Bob Hagedorn, State Senator, CO
Karen Hale, State Senator, UT
Lee Hammond, State Representative, NH
DeAnna Hanna, State Senator, CO
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA ..... FIGURES!
Jeff Harris, State Representative, MO
Patrick Henry Hays, Mayor, North Little Rock, AR
Martin J. Heft, First Selectman, Chester CT
Robert Henriquez, State Representative, FL
Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD
Thomas Hickner, County Executive, Bay County, MI
Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY
Richard Hildreth, Mayor, Pacific WA
Debra Hilstrom, State Representative, MN
Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ ....damn :(
Helen Holton, City Council Member, Baltimore, MD
Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR
Sam Hoyt, State Assemblymember, NY
Dave Hunt, State Representative, OR
Ross Hunter, State Representative, WA
Geri Huser, State Representative, IA
Daniel W. Hynes, State Comptroller, IL
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA .....what a shame! I liked this guy. :(
Thomas Irvin, Commissioner of Agriculture, GA
Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY
Michael Jackson, State Representative, LA
Gilda Z. Jacobs, State Senator, MI
Wendy Jaquet, State House Minority Leader, ID
Nicholas Jellins, Mayor Prom Tem, Menlo Park, CA
Evan Jenkins, State Senator, WV
Douglas Jennings Jr., House Democratic Leader, SC
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD ....voted for ScAlito. :(
Robin Johnson, Alderman, Monmouth IL
Donald Jones, Council Member, Jefferson Parish LA
Patty Judge, Secretary of Agriculture, IA
Charlie Justice, State Representative, FL
Tim Kaine, Lt. Governor, VA
Steve Kelley, Senate Majority Whip, MN
Randy Kelly, Mayor, St. Paul, MN
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Lynn Kessler, State House Democratic Leader, WA
Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor, Detroit, MI
Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI
Victor King, Trustee, Glendale, CA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI .....Judiciary Committee member. :(
Richard Kriseman, City Council Chairman, St. Petersburg, FL
Annie Kuether, State Representative, KS
Rosalind Kurita, State Senator, TN
Eric LaFleur, State Representative, LA
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA ......Mary, Mary, Mary.....sad. :(
Leah Landrum Taylor, Assistant Minority Leader, AZ
Patricia Lantz, State Representative, WA
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT ....need I say more? :eyes:
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR ...........................UGH!!!!
David Lindenmuth, Councilman, Woodstown Borough NJ
Duane E. Little, Assessor, Shoshone Co., ID
Alice Madden, State Representative, CO
Louis Magazzu, Freeholder, Cumberland County NJ
Dannel P. Malloy, Mayor, Stamford, CT
Matthew Mangino, District Attorney, Lawrence Co., PA
Jennifer Mann, State Representative, PA
Steve Marchand, City Councilman, Portsmouth NH
Jack Markell, State Treasurer, DE
Lisa Tessier Marrache, State Representative, ME
Rosemary Marshall, State Representative, CO
Barbara Matthews, Assembly Member, Tracy CA
Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY
Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IA
Kevin McCarthy, State Representative, IL
Kenneth McClintock, State Senator, PR
Bill McConico, State Representative, MI
Matt McCoy, State Senator, IA
Sharon McDonald, Commissioner of Revenue, Norfolk, VA
Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC
Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
Charlie Melancon, United States Representative, LA
Jules Mermelstein, Township Commissioner, Upper Dublin, PA
Dolores Mertz, State Representative, IA
Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA
Jonathan Miller, State Treasurer, KY
Tom Miller, Attorney General, IA
Doug Milliken, Treasurer, Centennial CO
Ruth Ann Minner, Governor, DE
Keiffer Mitchell, Jr., City Councilman, Baltimore, MD
Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS
Richard H. Moore, State Treasurer, NC
Richard Moore, State Senator, MA
Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
Karen Morgan, State Representative, UT
John Morrison, State Auditor, MT
Keith Mulvihill, Commissioner, Mt. Lebanon PA
Charles A. Murphy, State Representative, MA
Pat Murphy, State Representative, IA
Ed Murray, State Representative, WA
Therese Murray, State Senator, MA
Janet Napolitano, Governor, AZ ....What a shame.
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE ...........No surprise here!
Gavin C. Newsom, Mayor, San Francisco CA
Michael Nutter, City Councilman, Philadelphia, PA
Martin O'Malley, Mayor, Baltimore, MD
Michael A. O'Pake, State Senator, PA
Marc R. Pacheco, State Senator, MA
Alex Padilla, City Councilman, Los Angeles, CA
Alfred Park, State Representative, NM
Sally Pederson, Lieutenant Governor, IA
William Peduto, City Councilmember, Pittsburgh PA
Beverly Perdue, Lieutenant Governor, NC
Eddie Perez, Mayor, Hartford CT
Scott Peters, City Councilman, San Diego, CA
Janet Petersen, State Representative, IA
Bart Peterson, Mayor, Indianapolis IN
Gregory Pitoniak, Mayor, Taylor, MI
Jeffrey Plale, State Senator, WI
Tom Plant, State Representative, CO
Charles Potter, Council Member, Wilmington DE
Debra Powell, Mayor, East St. Louis, IL
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR.......THIS explains a lot, no?
Brian Quirk, State Representative, IA
David Ragucci, Mayor, Everett, MA
Aaron Reardon, Snohomish County Executive, WA
Stephen Reed, Mayor, Harrisburg, PA
Ed Rendell, Governor, PA
Ann H. Rest, State Senator, MN
Joe Rice, Mayor, Glendale, CO
Graham Richard, Mayor, Fort Wayne, IN
John Richardson, State Representative, ME
Bill Richardson, Governor, NM
Steven Riggs, State Representative, KY
Joe Riley, Mayor, Charleston SC
Andrew Romanoff, State Representative,, CO
T.J. Rooney, State Representative, PA
Samuel Rosenberg, State Delegate, MD
Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA ....Loretta????!!!!! Sheesh!
Sharon Sanders Brooks, State Representative, MO
Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Jefferey Schoenberg, State Senator, IL
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
Timothy Scott, Council Member, Carlisle Borough PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Kathleen Sebelius, Governor, KS
Eugene M. Sellers, Vermillion Parish Engineer, Lafayette, LA
James Shapiro, City Representative, Stamford, CT
Kenneth Shetter, Mayor, Burleson TX
Ron Sims, County Executive, King County, WA
Scott Slifka, Mayor, West Hartford CT
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Malcolm A. Smith, State Senator, NY
James Smith, House Democratic Leader, SC
Rod Smith, State Senator, FL
Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
Eleanor Sobel, State Representative, FL
Andrew Spano, County Executive, Westchester Co., NY
Carol Spielman, County Board Member, Lake County IL
Eliot Spitzer, State Attorney General, NY
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI ....crap!
Greg Stanton, City Councilman, Phoenix, AZ
Larry Stone, Assessor, Santa Clara County, CA
Peter Sullivan, State Representative, NH
Harvey D. Tallackson, State Senator, ND
Abel J. Tapia, State Representative, CO
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
Charleta B. Tavares, City Council Member, Columbus, OH
Mark Taylor, Lieutenant Governor, GA
Michael L. Thurmond, State Labor Commissioner, GA
Lois Tochtrop, State Representative, CO
Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM
John Unger II, State Senator, WV
George Van Til, Surveyor, Lake County IN
Juan Vargas, State Assemblymember, CA
Jennifer Veiga, State Representative, CO
Val Vigil, State Representative, CO
Michael Villarreal, State Representative, TX
Tom Vilsack, Governor, IA ...... :grr: THE reason for this list posting!
Peter Voros, Mayor, Pittsgrove Township NJ
Lewis J. Wallace, State Representative, CT
Mark Warner, Governor, VA
Steven Warnstadt, State Representative, IA
Jonathan Weinzapfel, State Representative, IN
Jack Weiss, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Peggy M. Welch, State Representative, IN
Kenneth Welch, County Commissioner, Pinnellas County FL
Steve Westly, State Controller, CA
Michael J. Wildes, Mayor, Englewood NJ
Anthony Williams, Mayor, Washington, DC
Earnest Williams, City Councilman, St. Petersburg, FL
Suzanne Williams, State Representative, CO
Constance Williams, State Senator, PA
Sue Windels, State Senator, CO
Philip Wise, State Representative, IA
David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR
Barbara Yamrick, Regional Tranportation District Director, Aurora CO
David Yassky, City Councilmember, Brooklyn NY
Caprice Young, President of the Board of LAUSD, Los Angeles CA

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I was right. Not there.

But the dude who opted to give Alito a run for him money IS on the list, though I really don't think he belongs there. Maybe the DLC agrees, because if you go looking for this list on their site, it's missing. I hope when they put the directory back up, a certain Senator is offa there. Because since he's too liberal for them, they treat him like a red-headed stepchild.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:30 AM
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45. We've been told for months now we have to purge all but "progressives"
like Sherrod Brown from the Democratic party.

And now the Kool Kidz imagine they got the purge they demanded (on issues like immigration and guns, Hackett was indistinguishable from racist Tom Tancredo) and they've flown into a rage.

And of course the plain truth is that their prima donna QUIT...and tossed a pity party for himself, blaming everybody else for his failure.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:21 AM
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47. More baseless nonsense from MrB
This is not about the left (or whatever slanderous name you are calling them today) or right. Stop, just stop.

Was Hackett the pick of internet cowboys or your leftist bogeyman?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:27 AM
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44. Ah the relentless honesty of our "progressive purists"...(snicker)
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:24 AM
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48. "fighting dems" what a joke.
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:24 AM by mopinko
that is the thing about this whole situation that is making me pull my hair out. they dump the real deal, and shove some mealy mouthed, order taking, good soldiers into races against progressive dems. like in the illinois 6th district.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:28 AM
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49. again for the record:
Brown Tops DeWine in New Poll
An Opinion Consultants poll finds Ohio voters favor Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) for the U.S. Senate over incumbent Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), 43% to 38%

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/01/26/brown_tops_dewine_in_new_poll.html

Sherrod Brown is endorsed by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is an outspoken member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8


2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 84 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 96 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Arab American Institute 50 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Council of La Raza 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Human Rights Campaign 77 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 90 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the National Education Association 89 percent in 2003-2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 88 percent of the time.

2004 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2003-2004.

2003-2004 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003-2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 95 percent in 2004.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2004.

2004 On the votes that the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance considered to be the most important in 2004, Representative Brown voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2004.

2003-2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 94 percent in 2003-2004.

2004 In 2004 National Organization for Women endorsed Representative Brown.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.
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