Can Hackett get back into the race if enough $ is raised?

[Ned_Devine]

I see this race in particular as the dems' biggest folly and could set the tone for their '06 chances. Why on earth would they do this at such a critical juncture? It sounds as if Howard Dean is still behind Hackett, but has no control over anyone in the party. Fucking shame! Feel free to comment

[Kolesar]

1. That contributed nothing to the debate

sorry. & Dean is not behind Hackett.

[CarlSheeler4U]

3. In the end the party leadership will protect itself before the public

....and that is exactly why political outsiders pose a threat to status quo because it would create a legitimate two party system.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/19/1730/42036

Carl
Sheeler for US Senate
www.carlsheeler.com

Be a patriot and pass the bulletin board link to every person you know and every blog you can and ask the same from them, too.

[Kolesar]

5. that's not at all what happened eom

[greenohio]

23. Like you have.

There are many who don't want a debate. The body's not even cold yet and they want silence on this issue. Their censorship attempts would fit neatly in the shrub whitehouse.

[Dr.Phool]

2. From what I've read

That was Hacketts biggest problem. He just wouldn't sit down with a telephone for 8 hours a day and beg people he never met before for money.

As demeaning as it is, until we get public financing for all elections, that is the only way you can hope to raise enough money for a campaign.

[CarlSheeler4U]

6. Seems like Howard Dean used the net to raise $55 Million

The reason the money is raised is why? Media and message. Remove media from the equation and find other ways for the message to reach the complacent ones besides making selections based upon 30 second sound bytes of feel good and me too pols.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/19/1730/42036

Carl
Sheeler for US Senate
www.carlsheeler.com

Be a patriot and pass the bulletin board link to every person you know and every blog you can and ask the same from them, too.

[WI_DEM]

4. Ultimately it was Hackett's decision

I believe that had he continued he could have raised enough money from Move-on and DFA and other sources that he could have run a credible campaign. This happens all the time in politics--the Senatorial campaign wanted to avoid a primary so they tried to put pressure on who they thought was the weakest candidate to withdrawl. They should just have stayed out of it. Primaries are not necessarily bad. Finally, this isn't a DLC type of thing either. Most observers think that Brown, while certainly the establishment candidate, is also the more liberal candidate.

[CarlSheeler4U]

7. Sheeler As a candidate, I say let the people decide

.... in our neck of the woods it's amazing to see how few endorsed candidates win the primaries. Says volumes about the disconnect between the leadership and public.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/19/1730/42036

Carl
Sheeler for US Senate
www.carlsheeler.com

Be a patriot and pass the bulletin board link to every person you know and every blog you can and ask the same from them, too.

[regnaD kciN]

14. It also highlights...

...why Hackett was wrong to take himself out of the race. Not getting the endorsement of the party leadership is scarcely a kiss of death. Let the people decide! (Instead of waiting until the last moment to take himself out of the race -- thus preventing "the people" from being able to choose -- while causing the maximum amount of damage to the one remaining Democratic candidate.)

[CarlSheeler4U]

26. It's early yet and be patient and focus on taking the legs out from GOP

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/2/19/1730/42036

Carl
Sheeler for US Senate
www.carlsheeler.com

Be a patriot and pass the bulletin board link to every person you know and every blog you can and ask the same from them, too.

[regnaD kciN]

11. Absolutely correct...

It sounds as if Howard Dean is still behind Hackett, but has no control over anyone in the party.

Especially, he has no control over Hackett. You can't make someone run when he doesn't want to.

[jbonkowski]

8. The deadline was Friday

So the answer is no.

Also, even if Hackett is a great guy, he wasn't fund raising enough and has never won a race, unlike Brown. He was almost certainly going to lose to Brown in the primary. I don't understand why people don't accept that. If Hackett is serious about politics, he will run again for something.
jim

[YOY]

9. Many people here were really rooting for Hackett

They romanticized the guy to the tenth power. As a result they feel as though Brown is some kind of cookie cutter party Dem who has come along and smashed all their dreams and have vilified him because of this situation.

Most of them don't realize what a good candidate Brown really is. It's all kind of stupid really.

If Hackett really wants to make a change he is going to have to become a career politician despite the fact he claims to be very against it. It is sad but that's what he must do to really get in office.

[regnaD kciN]

13. Correct. And part of being a "career politician"...

If Hackett really wants to make a change he is going to have to become a career politician despite the fact he claims to be very against it.

...involves expecting to have primary opposition, possibly losing on one or more occasions, and, when you lose (or decide to pull out), doing so graciously and giving your support to the victorious party member, just like Dean did with Kerry after the 2004 primaries.

So far, Hackett and his devotees are beginning to remind me more of the Naderites of 2000 and beyond -- declare that theirs is the only way, villify the other candidate(s) as merely tools of "the establishment," cripple the progressive wing without regard to how it will help the Republicans and, when the latter wind up winning because the Democrats have been split, engage in endless rationalizations as to how to point the blame at everyone but themselves.

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

24. bingo!

So far, Hackett and his devotees are beginning to remind me more of the Naderites of 2000 and beyond -- declare that theirs is the only way, villify the other candidate(s) as merely tools of "the establishment," cripple the progressive wing without regard to how it will help the Republicans and, when the latter wind up winning because the Democrats have been split, engage in endless rationalizations as to how to point the blame at everyone but themselves.

And just as felt about Nader and Dean and others to whom this phenomena of blind following has occurred, I ended up liking the candidate more than their following, and ultimately being turned off to the former as a result of the latter.

[liberal N proud]

10. I don't see all you Hackett backers upset that Eric Fingerhut dropped out

of the race for Ohio Governor in the same way, same time as Hackett?

Where is your outrage over that race?

[seabeyond]

12. so hackett can get in there and trash dems weak in defense?? n/t

[Javaman]

15. Hit and run post by a closet freep to stir up the pot. don't take the bait

nt

[Ned_Devine]

16. Which one was the hit and run by a freep?

I've been a member for almost three years. I lost the password to my old screen name and had to come up with a new one. So, if you're calling me a freep, kindly fuck off. Pretty please...with a cherry on top.

[Javaman]

17. My mistake, but...

fuck off with a cherry on top. LOL

[Ned_Devine]

20. I stole that line from "The Wolf" in Pulp Fiction...

it just seemed like the thing to say

[Kukesa]

19. Bingo. Nice catch, Javaman. nt

[ChiciB1]

18. Does It Bother Anyone Here That Reid & Schumer Stepped In To

push this thing over the edge?? I really really have supported Schumer on many things, but am I wrong or what, didn't THEY make the FIRST move on Hackett??

I'm not crazy about how Hackett is going about this, but then again... he's a fighter, what did you expect from a Marine???

[blue cat]

22. Yes it bothers me

still doesn't excuse him for going on Hardball. He screwed everyone to get back at Brown, when there is no evidence that Brown took part in the smear. Hackett gave Dewine a present wrapped up with a bow by making this a national story.

[blue cat]

21. He officially dropped out

He said that he won't run again, but will help the other fighting dems.

[ChiciB1]

25. But Do You THINK He Would Have Dropped Out

without the PUSH? I think he might have, but under totally different circumstances, such as the fact that he saw he couldn't win. The it would have been HIS decision.

Now we have a nice little mess, thanks to the PUSH! This affront by the Senators just angered him, and as the say "pay-backs are Hell!"