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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:24 AM
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Neocon architect says: 'Pull it down'
Edited on Wed Feb-22-06 12:30 AM by banana republican
NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime architects.

Francis Fukuyama, who wrote the best-selling book The End of History and was a member of the neoconservative project, now says that, both as a political symbol and a body of thought, it has "evolved into something I can no longer support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies.

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Going further, he says the movements' advocates are Leninists who "believed that history can be pushed along with the right application of power and will. Leninism was a tragedy in its Bolshevik version, and it has returned as farce when practised by the United States.

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"By definition, outsiders can't 'impose' democracy on a country that doesn't want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective."


http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006

I think this is a duuuuuuuuuuhhh kind of thing...

On edit:

It ain't over till everyone of these SOB's is in jail or hung....
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:43 AM
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1.  ....... and the horse you rode in on too
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Francis Fukuyama your fingerprints are on the murder weapon ..... too late to cop a plea.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:50 AM
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3. I find his disavowal, even at this late date, astonishing
He's puked up the Kool Aid...no doubt in an effort to save his reputation in history...not that it will do any good.

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:50 AM
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2. Dude...
...your half-assed philosophy evolved into something I could no longer support about a nanosecond after its inception. Which proves I'm a whole lot smarter than you.

Oh, and by the way--"The End of History"? You were fucking

WRONG!!!!



Have one of these on me...

Make that two...
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 12:53 AM
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4. How can people like him be so STUPID?
Clueless....absolutely clueless. How does that happen? Don't they understand human nature and never read history? Now they get to be all chagrined and are allowed walk away from this god damned mess just shrugging their shoulders.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:57 AM
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9. I doubt it is stupidity, more likely it is just more deception
After all, now many people will see him as one of the good guys.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 01:32 AM
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5. He can join Colin Powell
and all the other Repub/Neocon whiners and recanters in some special deep, fetid hole in Hell where the ghosts of the Founding Fathers and the framers of our Constitution haunt and torture scumwads like Fukuyama & Powell for eternity for the tragic damage they have wrought on the United States.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:13 AM
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6. Interesting how he calls them Leninists
I've heard neocons described as the worst of the conservative movement coupled with the worst of the old leftist movement from the 60's.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 02:39 AM
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7. this is wrong -- they are ex-Trotskyites.
There's plenty of info on the web on their early devotion to Leon Trotsky. Just google for it.

Here's one take:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j061303.html
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 03:55 AM
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8. They are all over the political spectrum,
aligning themselves with anything and everything that they think will help them advance their cause.
Do take into account that deception is one of their main tools.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 06:13 AM
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10. This is very interesting.
Fukuyama was one of the True Believers in the neoconservative project. Especially this idealistic notion that it was possible to spread democracy with the use of force.

"The most basic misjudgment was an overestimation of the threat facing the United States from radical Islamism," he argues.

Well, duh. The overestimation of the threat was necessary for the neoconservative agenda to be pushed forward. It wasn't an accident - it was intentional. Granted, I think some of the neocons believed their own propoganda more than others.

"Radical Islamism is a by-product of modernisation itself, arising from the loss of identity that accompanies the transition to a modern, pluralist society. More democracy will mean more alienation, radicalisation and - yes, unfortunately - terrorism," he says.

This is not an unimportant point, but it's one that a lot of the public will find counterintuitive, given how effectively the neoconservatives have promoted the "Democracy = lack of terrorism" idea.
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