Sorry if repost just got done watching Loose Change 2nd Edition

[bpyatt]

I don't post here very often but all I can say is wow. Having been across the street from the Pentagon when it it all happened, I can certainly atest to some of what is in this video. Especially the secondary explosions etc.

It's over an hour long but I highly recommend watching it all it brings up some really interesting points.

I can almost believe this was all some huge conspiracy.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&pr=goog-sl

[Ezlivin]

1. Go from believing the official version LIHOP to MIHOP in just minutes

LIHOP = Let it happen on purpose
MIHOP = Made it happen on purpose

I've traveled a long way in my beliefs concerning 9/11 since that year. There is too much evidence that our government not only knew about the attack but either through planned inaction or planned actions made the attack possible.

Watch Bush as he has "My Pet Goat" read to him. This is not a man who believes the US is under attack.

As a veteran, I can assure you that if we heard "we are under attack" we would not sit in a chair and do nothing. We would spring into well-drilled action.

Any "leader" who does not react instantly to those words is either unforgivably incompetent or complicit.

I vote for the latter.

[CrispyQ]

2. Thank you for this link, bpyatt.

I will check it out at home.

[FtWayneBlue]

3. It pokes more holes in the official story than

Dick did in his lawyer's face.

[NV Whino]

4. I watched this a while back

It's really well done. And I've had my conspiracy tin foil hat on from the beginnng. Too many things didn't add up.

[bpyatt]

5. Like I said I've come along way

I'm just not there yet, I just can't believe this could happen.

[lumpy]

6. Don't miss this video.

Lots of unanswered questions.

[bpyatt]

7. Questions

Yes, I'd like to get some answers or a link with some hard proof to disprove some of the things in this video. If someone has a link to disprove that planes can't just disentegrate, buildings can't fall from fires, pentagon hole not big enough for a 757, or that there weren't explosives in the WTC (Pretty good visual evidence) I'm all ears. I am very disturbed by what I saw. Is anything in the video just clearly made up?

[PBass]

8. Well, if Loose Change is the video that says

there are missiles being fired at the WTC from the jetliners, then that is (IMO) not credible.

(To the question "Is anything in the video just clearly made up?"

I don't know if this theory is 'made up' but it is based on some pretty ridiculous 'evidence'.

If you watch the tape, the supposed evidence is that a split second before the plane hits the building, a flash is seen on the video. Sorry but this 'evidence' just shows a lack of knowledge about video. This footage was shot on super low quality video (prosumer camera). Anyone who works with video will tell you that video (except perhaps hi def video) is absolute crap quality ('low resolution'). Just garbage, as a digital source. And video works by scanning each frame twice, in order to make up one 'complete frame'. This leads to built-in digital 'artifacts' in video footage that are not part of the actual event. When you combine these factors ('interlaced' video and low resoultion) and combine it with an ultra-fast moving subject matter (plane moving 600 mph if I remember correctly) it is guaranteed (!!!!!!!!) that low-res video will have odd artifacts... hence the appearance that one frame before the plane hits the tower, the explosion starts.

Add in the factor that this crap digital source is enlarged, and you have a good explanation why it seems like there are objects on the bottom of the plane. It's a fast moving subject on crap quality video, enlarged. It's not a credible source of visual evidence.

I work with video. If you step frame by frame through any video with fast moving objects, frame by frame it looks all screwed up. Only when you watch it at regular speed does it appear to look normal. A guy swinging a golf club looks like he isn't holding anything in his hands, when you walk through it frame by frame. A baseball appears to leave a pitcher's hand before he's finished his 'motion'. You can't step frame by frame through video like this and think it clarifies the event for the average viewer, it does NOT. It just misleads people.

One more thing, the 'missile hits the tower' theory doesn'y make a damn bit of sense. Somebody who is going to ram a jetliner into a skyscraper doesn't need a missile too. Remember a few years ago when conspiracy theorists on the right were talking about how Clinton had two teenage boys murdered in Georgia? (Al Franken debunks this in the "Lying Liars" book): The idea was that Clinton had these boys run over by a train. But before that, the teenagers were shot. It just doesn't make any sense that you need to shoot somebody, then run over them with a train.

I stop listening when people start talking about jetliners firing missiles at the WTC.