McCain/Rice ticket in 08???

[The Witch]

This makes me gag because it seems so unbeatable. I heard third-hand this might happen. What say you all? And how could we beat it?

(Yes, Kindasleazy's not interested in running, but she could run the country as veep without "running for president" given all of the exec powers Cheney's demanding for himself...)

[Stephanie]

1. Ridiculous.

McCain is in poor health, and Condi has a secret.

[sabbat hunter]

5. poor health

that is the first i have heard of McCain being in poor health. i know he had skin cancer a few years back but i thought he was fine now.

[Stephanie]

16. look at his photos

he doesn't look fine

[Carrion]

6. Secret?

Let me guess....could she be black??

[The Witch]

9. is this part of the Condi's Gay theory?

I remember that flaring up around the time of her confirmation hearings, but nothing since.

[...of J.Temperance]

2. McCain's too old....Allen/Rice in 2008 it might be though

John McCain will be 72 years-old in 2008, and he's also had cancer. He'll not be the nominee and that's it.

If George Allen of Virginia is re-elected, then I think he'll be the GOP nominee, and he might choose Condi Rice.

[Warpy]

3. Agreed, but not because of his age or his health

The wingnut base has also bought the lie that McCain is some sort of moderate. Besides, he'd try to run the government instead of being a front man and fund raiser, like a good little boy. The last time that happened was with Nixon, and Nixon signed the EPA into law. They sure as hell don't want to risk anything like that again.

They'd vastly prefer an affable dummy like Allen who will take orders backed with a VP who represents the bigot's double whammy (black and female) as life insurance.

[cornfedyank]

27. huckabee / clark 2008..n/t

[MrModerate]

4. McCain will self-destruct on the campaign trail . . .

And isn't wacko enough to energize the no-opposable-thumb base that Schimpanski has depended on.

Rice could run hot or cold, but I lean toward cold because she's fairly graceless, and if you look at her tenure in NSA and State, she's borderline incompetent.

I realize competence has not been a criterion in recent elections, but I think it'll get more play in 2008.

Someone below said Allen. I dunno. He's not very exciting.

[DesertRat]

7. McCain's too old

and too tied to Bush whose ratings are in the toilet.

[SteppingRazor]

14. Reagan was older in 1984...

and not much younger in 1980.

And, to the mushy middle voter, McCain is still a maverick with no ties to Bush.

I think it's a serious mistake to underestimate a McCain ticket, and especially a McCain/Rice ticket, in '08

[rniel]

8. I think they both

got too much bush stink all over them. No way.

[aquart]

10. What a load of crap. Unbeatable?

Well, by all means beat the drum for it then.

A paranoid person might say this looks like deliberate misinformation designed to divide and demoralize.

[SteppingRazor]

12. I don't agree with unbeatable either, but...

I think it's foolish not to recognize the threat of a McCain ticket in '08. To just stand here and say, "Oh, we'll totally crush that guy" seems foolhardy.

[SteppingRazor]

11. I disagree with... well, just about everyone who has posted so far...

McCain is far from too old. Reagan was only slightly younger than 72 in 1980, and was older than 72 when he ran for re-election in 1984.

McCain has about zero Bush slime on him, except in places like this. To the vast majority of voters he's still a "maverick" who "disagrees with his party and with Bush on matters of principle."

Rice as a VP is far more believable than as a POTUS, and I don't believe for a second she doesn't intend to run. In fact, I don't believe just about any major politician who says they have no plans to run.

A McCain/Rice ticket in 2008 is not only possibly, but probably.

As to how it's beaten...hmmm... it all comes down to the campaign. Just comparing talking heads to talking heads, we'd get killed by a McCain/Rice ticket. We would win by running a smarter campaign -- McCain has proven through several primary losses that he's not the smartest campaigner, and Rice is completely unproven. If we ran a perfect campaign and wrecked them in the press, we'd win.

[mikeanike]

13. my guess as to what the GOP ticket will be...

Gulliani/Allen

Gulliani can have the ticket if he wants it. When it comes to WOT and homeland security he's the only guy directly involved in 9/11 that is still smellin like a rose. Also if you recall during the Katrina disaster Nagin was getting a lot of negative comparison w/ Gulliani as to how to effectively handle a disaster situation (not saying it was fair, just saying it happened) Now his biggest problem is that socially his somewhat liberal. Pro-choice, pro-gay, etc. That's where Allen comes in. A relatively popular southern senator who is media savvy and articulate with the conservative cred to back him up. I've been maintaining to my fellow compatriots in my area that this is the most worrisome combo to our chances.

[SteppingRazor]

15. If Allen loses to Webb, how does that affect this? n/t

[mikeanike]

17. that is assuming he stays in for that fight

if he goes for the top spot (which is really for him the VP spot) it won't matter. Granted as a VA resident I have started to see Allen '08 stickers, but you never know. But I feel really strongly that for the Repubs this is the perfect vote getting combo. You get the southern vote with Allen and you get everything else with Rudy.

[sabbat hunter]

21. guliani

will never get the nod. the very fact that he is pro choice will kill any chances he has of getting the republican nomination.

[snowbear]

18. Oh c'mon Witch..

McCain has a great bio, but that was "then" and this is "now". His relationship with Bush will kill his chances even with R-thugs. By the time the election rolls around, Thugs will be looking for an anti-Bush. Besides, McCain is pathetic in debates! Must be his age creeping up on him. He sweats bullets and stumbles too easily.

Rice? First of all, she has lied for Bush for the past 5.5 years and that makes her their best shot at the VP slot?

Secondly - as the old saying goes - "not all Republicans are racists, but all racists are Republican"

In other words, it ain't gonna happen. They wouldn't let it happen.

I can already see our commercials now. We'll re-run her reading that letter she received shortly before 9/11 over and over and over again.

Q: What is the title of the letter you received Dr. Rice?

A: "Well, ah, it says, ah.. Bin Laden determined to attack inside US"

Real good choice there.


McCain and Rice, huh?

[mikeanike]

19. I know Mccain will run

He has already set up a "kernel" exploratory team very discretely (former Hill employee) but he is simply too old. Any photo of him does his face justice it really does! If you ever have met him up close and personal that mug will make you believe that zombies are real!

[madrchsod]

20. i hope so!

she would sink the republican party...a black woman for vice president? not in this country...

[musical_soul]

22. No way.

Too many racists in the Republican Party for a ticket with rice on it to win.

Come to think of it, I think America in general is too racist for a black president or VP.

[Cosmocat]

23. OK ... In case people have not noticed ...

Condi Rice is BLACK ... and a WOMAN ...

NO WAY, NO HOW, would the majority of Rs needed to win a presidential election vote for a black ... Never in this life ... Not even close ... Not as president, and not even on the ticket ... It would not even get that far, cause the powers to be in the party would not let a black, or a woman, get into that position ...

McCain ... I agree that he does not look good ... I would not rule him out as being able to win the general election, because he would be the MSM golden boy ... But, again, he is not in with the power infrastructure ... I agree that the powers to be will put in a George Allen type ...

[blm]

24. Read McCain's book - he says he couldn't have gotten through the Vietnam

normalization efforts without Kerry keeping him calm. He was ready to fall apart a few times, but Kerry helped him get on track. In other words - he has weaknesses that can be dealt with.

[radio4progressives]

25. Rice is going to use her sex appeal in the campaign, vis a vis

Work Out Video Tape.

that's how she's going to bring in the African American vote.

[zulchzulu]

26. McCain is very beatable...and won't be the Repug nominee anyway

It's going to be George Allen if he wins his 2006 race. The football coach's cross-eyed son...someone ya wanna have a beer with...blah blah blah...

As for Rice, if you think Southern Repugs are gwoin' ta vote fer a nigra within a heartbeak of the Oval Office...