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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 04:59 PM
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Jimmy Carter Blasts Bush Co For Its Contempt of International Law & Morals
The abuse of our prisoners of war is at or near the top of my list of impeachable offenses committed by George Bush, in part because, more than any of the other impeachable offenses he has committed, this reminds me of the early years of the Nazi’s rise to power, from 1933 to the start of World War II in 1939.

Jimmy Carter discusses this issue in his 2005 book, “Our Endangered Values – American’s Moral Crisis”. He describes the shocking details of our abuse of our prisoners of war, including the torture of children, the great damage this has done to our country and the world, and the Bush administration’s role in these atrocities. Coming from an ex- U.S. President and someone who has devoted his life to world peace and human rights, I found this discussion to be especially meaningful.

Writing this chapter must have been very difficult for Carter. As he says in his introductory sentence to the chapter: “This is an especially unpleasant chapter to write, because it includes some embarrassing assessments of the government I have led and whose values I have defended”

Carter puts the issue in perspective after describing the abuse of his favorite uncle, who was a Japanese prisoner of war during World War II:

The prevalence of such abuse of captured servicemen and –women during World War II induced the community of nations to come together to define quite precisely the basic guarantees of proper treatment for prisoners…. known as the “Geneva Conventions.” The authenticity and universal applicability of these guarantees were never questioned by a democratic power – until recently, and by America!


And with this sad commentary:

…the United States now has become one of the foremost targets of respected international organizations concerned about these basic principles of democratic life. Some of our actions are similar to those of abusive regimes that we have historically condemned.




Facts and statistics

Much of Carter’s discussion on this issue is a litany of shocking facts and statistics concerning the record of the Bush administration on prisoner abuse.

Speaking of our illegal actions at Guantanamo Bay:

…about 520 people from forty nations have been incarcerated and held incommunicado for more than three years, almost all without legal counsel and with no charges leveled against them. It has also been confirmed by U.S. officials that many have been physically abused… the International Committee of the Red Cross reported registering 107 detainees under eighteen, some as young as eight years old.



And regarding the treatment of these prisoners:

The International Red Cross, Amnesty International, and the Pentagon have gathered substantial testimony of torture of children, confirmed by soldiers who witnessed or participated in the abuse…

Children… have been denied the right to see their parents, a lawyer, or anyone else… Pentagon spokesman told Mr. Hersh that “age is not a determining factor in detention”…

Physicians for Human Rights reported in April 2005 that “at least since 2002, the United States has been engaged in systematic psychological torture” of Guantanamo detainees that has “led to devastating health consequences for the individuals subjected to” it… the Secretary of Defense declared that most of them would not be released even if they were someday tried and found to be innocent…

Military officials reported that at least 108 prisoners have died in American custody in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other secret locations just since 2002, with homicide acknowledged as the cause of death in at least 28 cases. The fact that only one of these was in Abu Ghraib prison indicates the widespread pattern of prisoner abuse…

Subsequent evidence revealed that, despite previous denials…, American leaders had adopted a supplementary policy of transferring prisoners to foreign countries… most of which have been condemned in our government’s annual human rights reports for habitually using torture… this practice has been approved at the top levels of U.S. government…. Members of Congress and legal specialists estimate that 150 prisoners have been included in this exceptional program.



And specifically regarding the torture at Abu Ghraib:

This is especially disturbing, since U.S. intelligence officers estimated to the Red Cross that 70 to 90 percent of the detainees at this prison were held by mistake.




The example that the United States is setting for other countries

Carter goes on to talk about a 2003 and a 2005 conference hosted by his Carter Center, which brought together leading defenders of human rights and democracy movements from around the world to discuss this problem. Among their findings regarding the precedent that our country is setting:

The participants were in broad agreement that recent policies of the United States were being adopted … They told of a general retreat by their governments from previous human rights commitments, and emphasized that there was a danger of setting back democratic movements by decades in some of their countries…. Oppressive leaders had been emboldened to persecute and silence outspoken citizens under the guise of fighting terrorism…. The consequence was that many lawyers, professors, doctors, and journalists had been labeled terrorists, often for merely criticizing a particular policy or for carrying out their daily work. We heard about many cases involving human rights attorneys being charged with abetting terrorists simply for defending accused persons.




The response by the Bush administration

In response to the exposure of some of these scandals, the Bush administration has tried to give the impression that only lower level "bad apples" were at fault. Here’s what Carter has to say about that:

The superficial investigations under the auspices of the Department of Defense have made it obvious that no high-level military officers or government officials will be held accountable, but there is no doubt that their public statements and private directives cast doubt and sometimes ridicule on the applicability of international standards of human rights.


And the Department of Defense, speaking for the President:

The president, despite domestic and international laws constraining the use of torture, has the authority as Commander in Chief to approve almost any physical or psychological actions during interrogation, up to and including torture.”


On the general response of our administration to the exposure of the scandals, Carter notes:

Instead of our correcting the basic problem, more and more prisoners are being retained, and there is less access to the facts about their treatment. A report released in March 2005 by Human Rights First said that the number of detainees in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan has grown, just during the preceding six months, from six thousand to more than eleven thousand, and that the level of secrecy surrounding American detention operations has intensified.


And in response to Republican Senators proposing legislation that would prohibit the U.S. military from engaging in “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” of detainees:

Representing the Bush administration, Vice President Cheney has made strenuous efforts to block the legislation…



Carter’s concluding paragraph of the chapter

This says it all:

It is an embarrassing tragedy to see a departure from our nation’s historic leadership as a champion of human rights, with the abandonment defended legally by top officials. Only the American people can redirect our government’s legal, religious, and political commitments to these ancient and unchanging moral principles.


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:04 PM
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1. There's a lot to like about Jimmy Carter. He ran in an era when
Edited on Sun Apr-02-06 05:04 PM by Old Crusoe
the George Wallace prototype of South Governors was still in vogue. They were on the same ballots together for the presidential primaries of 1976. By the time the last vote in the Florida primary was counted, Carter, the evolved and thoughtful new Southern model, had whomped Wallace, the old bar-the-school-from-black-citizens model.

This book takes on BushCo and it couldn't be better-timed.

Bravo, President and Nobel-Prize Winner Jimmy Carter.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 06:58 PM
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4. Yes indeed -- Our Democratic Senators should read this
and learn something from it.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 10:23 AM
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13. Kick and seconded
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:34 PM
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19. This book frives home the point that
Illegal wiretapping isn't the only issue that Bush can be censured or impeached on.

Maybe Carter should pass out copies of his book to all members of Congress
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:11 PM
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29. you can say that again time 4change
:kick:
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:06 PM
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2. I'm on a waiting list at the library for his book-can't wait to get it nt
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 10:26 PM
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6. It's a good book
He really took off the gloves to write it. :thumbsup:
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 05:25 PM
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3. Just finished his book..
Should be required read for every Democrat and high school student.
The man is one of the greatest statesman this country has ever known. (And one hell of a fine woodworker!)
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 08:33 PM
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5. Yes he is
If the "liberal media" hadn't bashed him so much he very well might have won a second term -- and then things might be very different today.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 10:42 PM
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7. My 75 year old mom called me crying while reading his book
She was reading about the prisoners in Abu Graib, particularly an 11 year old boy who has not seen his mother in months. Carter tells the story of how the boy cried and begged an aid worker to let him call his mother and talk to her.

Mom said she had to stip reading the book, it was breaking her heart and making her so worried and upset that she couldn't continue.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:03 AM
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11. Yes, right - that was included in the chapter that I described in the OP
although I didn't mention that in the OP.

The information came from General Janis Kapinski, former commander of Abu Ghraib, who testified against the Bush administration at the Committee of Inquiry into Crimes Against Humanity Committed by the Bush Administration:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=187503
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 10:49 PM
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8. K & R! Go Jimmy!
Why aren't there more posts and recommendations on this thread?!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:42 PM
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15. Thank you -- I think many people prefer articles that are very current
But my thinking was that what Carter says in his book about the abuses of the Geneva Convention by the Bush administration are every bit as applicable today as when his book came out a few months ago -- maybe even moreso, given the current moves to censure and/or impeach Bush.
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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-02-06 10:51 PM
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9. A Great Man with a Great Mind, and we are privileged,....
...to belong to the party that he commanded in the past. History will be MUCH kinder to President Carter that many believe.

He was my first presidential vote, and my first hit the streets campaign. I not only admire him, but trust his opinions. The book is a GREAT read!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:28 AM
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12. I'm pretty sure you're right about history being much kinder to him
He was my second presidential vote -- after McGovern.

I hope he can play some role in the coming elections.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:01 AM
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10. Carter doesn't actually say anything about impeachment in his book - But
he nevertheless makes an excellent case for it, and it's obvious to me that he believes it is more than warranted.
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SuffragetteSal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:23 AM
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14. great post - thank you
for bringing this to our attention. President Carter is one of my favorite heroes...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 02:41 PM
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18. Thank you -- I wish that there were more people in this country who
used him as an example.

In the chapter after the one I used as the basis for this OP, he gets to one of the most basic distinctions between Democrats and Republicans:

... one of the characteristics of fundamentalists is to forgo discussion or negotiation to resolve differences, interpreting this as a sign of weakness in adhering to their own principles. The most telltale distinction between Republicans and Democrats is their preference between ways of resolving controversial international issues -- reliance on force, or diplomacy.


Amen to that.

I am so sick of Republicans trying to pretend that Dems are "weak" on national defense, just because we have enough respect for humanity to utilize war as a last recourse rather than a first recourse.
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bush_is_wacko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 12:51 PM
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16. And the ONLY reason * hasn't been brought before an international tribunal
over these offenses is that he has his finger on the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world! If this wasn't the United States of America Georgie boy and his minions would have been drug out of the palace years ago, tried, convicted and...well what's the latest form of punishment for crimes against humanity?

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 01:44 PM
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17. I believe you're right about that
Which is one big reason why he is so much against the International Criminal Court, right?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 03:57 PM
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20. Here's a statement about Carter's book from FOX News
Edited on Mon Apr-03-06 04:22 PM by Time for change
http://www.wdaftv4.com/fullstory.asp?ID=11388

Reviews call the book biting political commentary, despite the fact that there's an unwritten rule in American politics that former presidents do not criticize current ones. Carter says he wrote this book reluctantly, but did so because he just couldn't stay silent anymore.


I sure wish that more Democratic politicians "couldn't stay silent anymore".

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NativeTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 11:41 PM
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23. Current president? Who would that be? All I have seen is a .....
....current VILLAGE IDIOT!!!

To call this loser a president that President Carter shouldn't be criticizing, puts him in the same league as Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, FDR, Eisenhower, Truman???......Those were the kinds of presidents that former presidents wouldn't criticize while in office.

BUT the VI? I think not!!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:23 AM
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25. Ok, that's a good point
Sometimes I refer to him as the pResident, but when I do that in Word format it tells me that I miss-spelled the word. :shrug:
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 10:11 AM
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26. Can Fox provide a cite to that "unwritten rule"?
Definitely Doublespeak.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 07:56 AM
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31. No link because it's an "unwritten" rule
Edited on Wed Apr-05-06 07:57 AM by Time for change
But I have to say that this is one of the very few statements I've seen made on FOX news that I agree with.

What they mean to say is that it is considered "bad form", in some quarters, for an ex-President to criticize a current President. And I'm sure that Carter is well aware of that.

And that is why his statements on this issue are especially courageous IMO. He knows damn well that his saying these things will be severely disapproved of by our corporate media, as well as by many American citizens. He also knows that this may even hurt himself with regard to the way that history looks at him.

But he says these things anyhow, regardless of what effect it might have on him personally, because he knows that these things have to be said, and that he has the moral authority, as much as anyone, to say these things. In other words, he does it because it is the right thing to do.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 06:51 PM
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21. Thank you for this post, Time for Change
"And the Department of Defense, speaking for the President:

The president, despite domestic and international laws constraining the use of torture, has the authority as Commander in Chief to approve almost any physical or psychological actions during interrogation, up to and including torture.”


Our troops will be subject to this treatment if we abandon international law. It is THE REASON for the Geneva Conventions. If we reject the law, we have rejected legal protection for OUR soldiers, too.

Madness. Utter madness. "despite domestic and international laws"??!! According to the Dept. of Defense??!!! JEEZUZ, DoD is supposed to PROTECT the troops by abiding by and enforcing these laws...it's the whole point of these laws... but they have cast the safety of our soldiers to the wind and put them at risk of much greater harm.

All Americans, republican or dem should see these actions by the admin as UNAMERICAN and toss the mutherfuckers out.

FUCK any RWer with a "Support the Troops" ribbon on their car! Supporting our troops means abiding by the Geneva Conventions, not backing these self-admitted international criminal torturers.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 09:21 AM
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24. I agree
Bush and his administration don't give a damn about the troops, and that should be evident from all of their actions, especially their refusal to supply them with appropriate body armor.

Hopefully, a new Democratic Congress in 07 WILL toss them out.

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earthmama Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-03-06 08:34 PM
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22. Great book!
We're reading it this month for my UU church's book discussion group.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 02:30 PM
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27. That's great - should result in some very interesting discussion
I used to belong to a UU church book discussion group too. It was my favorite activity in the church.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 03:31 PM
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28. Sing it, Jimmy!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 08:17 PM
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30. This is the kind of stuff the Freeper moles dont want us to read.
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