I am more tolerant of ,,,,,,,

[Stinky The Clown]

Poll question: I am more tolerant of ,,,,,,,

[NMDemDist2]

1. geez that's a loser poll there H2S I can't even vote in that one

it makes my head hurt....

:eyes:

[eleny]

2. Here ya go, boobala

[Lib Grrrrl]

3. Screw That, Do They Make Excedrin In One-Pound Tablets?? n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

4. Here's the biggest I could find in a hurry

Hope it helps

[TheFarseer]

5. Ben is pretty annoying

he could at least have some king of consistent theme, like standing up for Nebraska's interests or working people's interests or the interests of Star Trek fans or just freaking anything, but his votes just don't make any sense sometimes. It's almost as if he flips a coin to decide.

I'd have to say Webb or Nelson. I have no patience for Joe.

[ChipsAhoy]

6. None!

They have each betrayed the cause

[Stinky The Clown]

13. I can see that sentiment applying to Ben and Joe, but how

does Webb running as a Dem do that?

[ChipsAhoy]

20. Answer

The fact that he even considered turning 'Pub before troubles me. I like men firm in their convictions.

[Stinky The Clown]

22. So you prefer they believe on Wednesday what they believed ......

..... on Monday, no matter what happens on Tuesday? That would be a firm conviction. Changing one's views as one matures or as circumstances change might be a little too nuanced or contemplative for you?

Does that about sum it all up?

[ChipsAhoy]

25. A believer is a believer

I don't like wishy washy. No fair weathered Democrats need apply.

That sums it up.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. Your tolerance is admirable

I bet you like the President too. He's pretty firm in his convictions ... never changes his mind .... never admits to thinking wrong headed.

[ChipsAhoy]

29. It's not that I don't get discouraged,

but I would never jump to the total opposite end of the spectrum.

I have no respect for them and would never put that R label on me.

Further, if you would like a different opinion, you would have to ask a different person. Truly.

[Stinky The Clown]

30. I wish you well on your trip to Utopia. Don't forget to write.

[ChipsAhoy]

32. If being out of lock-step is Utopia,

I'm there.

:)

[Stinky The Clown]

33. Who's in lock step?

Wudda you ..... a marcher?

[ChipsAhoy]

34. If varying opinions didn't bother you ....

... we wouldn't be in this conversation. ;)

[Stinky The Clown]

36. Varying opinions, as you so cleverly term it, is *exactly* what doesn't

bother me when they're done for principled reasons.

Failing to assess the changing landscape and preferring instead to hold to one's views even when those views may no longer be reality based or in line with new information is just hard headed.

[ChipsAhoy]

37. Hey, feel free yourself to become a Republican,

it's just not for me. It's the opposite end of the spectrum and one I never wish to visit.

But, to each their own. Just count me out on the big R.

[Stinky The Clown]

38. I wish I were as cock sure of life as you

[ChipsAhoy]

39. Simply look at all the damage the Pub's have done,

and you too will be "cock sure" that you don't want to join them.

[Stinky The Clown]

40. The Pub's (sic) have done damage?

Wow, did you just learn that on the internets?

I'm shocked. Why didn't someone tell me? Did I miss the memo? Was there news coverage?

[ChipsAhoy]

41. Hey, I'm not the one standing up for them.

This entire conversations centers around you not understanding why I have no regard for someone who jumped to their side and now jumps on ours, i.e., Webb.

I have to wonder what your intentions are in pursuing this sort of conversation. Do tell.

[Stinky The Clown]

42. My intent is to play with mice

and now I'm done.

Bon apetit!

[ChipsAhoy]

43. OK, kitty cat

Don't forget to purrrrr. ;)

[Stinky The Clown]

45. Gettin' that last silly word in helps your post count

Someday you may even be taken seriously.

[ChipsAhoy]

49. Ooops, you got the wrong poster, lol

I go for long periods without posting anything, so "the count" means nothing to me. However, your post did bring me a chuckle and so did your mice. purrrr

Appreciated. heh

[Warren DeMontague]

48. That's funny, I prefer people who can learn from their mistakes.

All the best movies have character arcs. That's not an accident.

It's the people (and institutions, too) that keep tossing out the same worn-out answers that they have for the same several thousand years, no matter how wrong they are proven to be, that are the problem on this planet IMHO.

[Art_from_Ark]

51. The problem is, there are those who "learn from their mistakes"

and switch party affiliation,like Jim Jeffords, and there are those who switch purely for expediency, like Teresa "Butterfly Ballot" LaPore. So, the question then becomes, is Mr. Webb like a rebellious teenager who eventually realizes that his parents were right, or does he merely see the "R" label as becoming like a putrefying albatross around his neck but he is still comfortable with the albatross's policies?

[Warren DeMontague]

53. According to the Klein piece in Time:

"Webb us an outdoorsy, hunting-and-fishing environmentalist. He is pro-choice, pro-gay rights"

I'll be the first to admit I don't know a whole lot about the guy, but that doesn't sound too bad.

[Vadem]

7. We've got to get George Allen out of the US Senate! I think...

that Jim Webb is finally the man to do it! Yes, I know that he voted for Reagan, Bush and Allen! Lord, help me, I'm working and voting for a former Republican, the first time in my life!

He had better not betray me! I will work to defeat him with my time and my dollars, if he has! I have a feeling that the State is ready for a change!

[Catchawave]

11. It won't be a boring campaign

that's for sure ! If Kerry can forgive and support him, I think the rest of us should too :hi:

[iconoclastNYC]

8. Wow i need to learn more about Webb

I'm very leery of people who've gone to the dark side and come back. David Brock being an exception.

[Catchawave]

10. Webb will bring back the Reagan Democrats

Isn't that our goal on DU, to bring them "home" :patriot:

Here's a good start for Webb 101: http://www.webbforsenate.com/

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Is he the only exception you could make?

I dare say there are millions who voted Repub at one time who you could 'tolerate'. Probably many who were former Repub parfty members, not just Repub voters.

[Tom Rinaldo]

15. Many now like Arianna Huffington

She was married to a Republican California Congressman in the 1990's, and managed his Republian campaign for U.S. Senate against Diane Feinstein the first time she ran for the U.S. Senate.

[iconoclastNYC]

19. It comes down to

Do I want to see Liberal democrats elected or conservative blue dog/DLC types, or the new fancy "Hamiltonian Democrats".

I like my democrats Traditional, pre-corporate. Liberal.

[Totally Committed]

9. Other. I find my "tolerance" to be a case-by-case thing lately...

The Lieberman thing is so offensive to me, I can barely think about it without being pissed off. (Can you believe the nerve of Schumer????) But, so many things piss me off politically these days, it's hard to say which I "tolerate" more than another.

TC

[Crunchy Frog]

12. What I can't tolerate is a "Democrat" who refuses to respect

the political process. The rules of the game are that candidates are chosen through primaries, and when the primaries are over, everyone gets behind the nominee.

To refuse to play by the basic rules of the game is a far worse sin than simply taking positions that I disagree with. That, and the way that Joe Lieberman is constantly undermining the Democratic party. Our party simply can't afford to tolerate that kind of behavior.

[Beacho]

16. As a liberal, I think Webb is a great addition to the party

I think there is room at the table for all principled people and we need people like Webb to bring that perspective. I think having a TRUE conservative brings much needed perspective, unlike corporate hacks who try to BUY the table and deliver the goods to their corporate masters, while passing themselves off as progressives.

[New Government]

18. I remember something about Webb

He's a principled person and one thing stands out to me. When Webb was Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, he resigned in principle in a disagreement regarding the cutting of forces. During Reagan's last year there was an interview on 60 Minutes (or something like it) with Reagan. When asked about how he got along with various people in his administration, he started talking and then stopped cold, and said something along the lines of, "But first let me say something about someone who has had a few public spats with me and that's former Naval Secretary Jim Webb. While we had disagreements, he NEVER said anything in public that he didn't say to me to my face." He went on to say that with a lot of people it's all good wine and roses when talking to the Commander-In-Chief in private and then trash talk behind their back or even in public. While disagreeing on quite a few things, Reagan said he couldn't help but admire someone who had the guts to tell him what he thought and did it without fear or intimidation. Reagan said he knew because of that, that Webb was a "real man." I'll never forget that and I am glad to see the same principled Webb getting into politics in a big way.

[Zynx]

17. How could anyone be opposed to Jim Webb, at least from our party?

[skipos]

23. Many DUers think Feingolds and Boxers could be elected in red states

like Nebraska or Virginia, etc. Many DUers also think that anyone who (like most Americans) didn't vote for Dukakis or Mondale, isn't a real democrat.

[mdguss]

21. They're all Democrats:

It's a big tent party. I'm tolerant of all my fellow Democrats (Cynthia McKinney and Lydon LaRouche excluded).

[davidinalameda]

24. real Democrats don't threaten to bolt the party if they lose their primary

like Lieberman is doing

[inthebrain]

27. Lieberman is not a real Democrat

He's a republicrat.

I don't see the difference if he wins his primary and faces a Republican in the race. It's tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum as far as I'm concerned.

Connecticut is a blue state that I am most concerned about. Whenever Dems start touting themselves as "pro business" it always leads to bad things. I find that the same as when they start bragging about their Bi Partisanship.

Either way, I have always believed that elections are time to get your voice heard. If liberal Democrats don't want to vote for Lieberman and choose to prop up a third party candidate I have no problem with that.

It's not like having Lieberman instead of a Republican is going to change anything.

[mdguss]

28. A real Democrat is someone who is registered:

Lieberman is a real Democrat too...whether you want to admit it or not. Try to beat him in the primary if you want (that's fine, that's what primaries are for). But when Lieberman wins, and he will, all "real" Democrats will support him.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. Zell Miller and Richard Perle.

The standard you have adopted for determining who is a "real" Democrat is completely meaningless.

[wyldwolf]

44. hmm

Lieberman has not actually threatened to do that, has he?

Further, I see threats from DUers to bolt the party if ______________ doesn't win or if DLC ___________ wins. Lots of this going around.

[davidinalameda]

50. he has stated that he's considering a run as an independent if he loses

the primary and you had a former Connecticut state Democratic party chair come out recently and urge Lieberman to run as an independent

I have to wonder why would anyone do that unless they know something.



As for DUers threatening to leave the party, I don't think most DUers have been their party's vice president candidate

Lieberman as an elected Democratic official pulls a bit more weight than most DUers

[NJ Democrats]

35. All of them

Do you guys really think we could elect someone more liberal in Nebraska?

[Hippo_Tron]

47. Yup, Bob Kerrey

[Warren DeMontague]

46. What a coinkydink. I just read the Joe Klein Time piece on Webb at dinner.

Webb doesn't sound so bad- I still think Klein is an asshole, tho.

:hippie:

[w4rma]

52. Not only am I "more tolerant" of Jim Webb, but I like him. (nt)