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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:25 PM
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Dems get sucker punched again. Casey's plan sounds familiar some how...
The WaPo says,

"Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) said that the plan attributed to Gen. George W. Casey resembles the thinking of many Democrats who voted for a nonbinding resolution to begin a troop drawdown in December. "

Hmm. . . does she think so?

Now let me get this straight; last week the Senate by a large majority rejected the Kerry/Feingold amendment calling for a pull out of US troops from Iraq by a date certain next year. Similarly, another Democratic amendment put forward by Carl Levin calling for a large withdrawal by the end of next year, but without a set timetable, also failed with almost all Democrats --again -- voting 'No.'

For all their caution not appear to be 'cutting and running,' they've walked right into a trap, haven't they?

It turns out now that General George Casey and the Pentagon have a plan to withdraw most troops by the end of next year, depending on the situation, the very same policy Levin promoted, but which the majority of Democrats voted against. While the GOP comes off looking like they're strong on defense, fighting the war on terror by 'staying the course,' while at the same time taking credit for withdrawing troops -- as early as August no less--- the Dems come off looking like indecisive bumblers who couldn't even summon up the courage to vote against the president's disastrous policies, which clearly have been rejected by a majority of Americans.

If the Democrats hadn't been such a bunch of 'fraidy cats and had voted to a man and woman on a principled renunciation of the administrationÕs polices; they could've said ' you see we were right along and W. knows it,' when the news of withdrawals were made official. But instead, the Republicans can now say they're the ones who are listening to the American people by declaring victory and pulling out.

If things don't go according to plan for the administration and W.'s vision of 'victory' in Iraq -- a stable democratic government who fights terror on our side -- doesn't pan out and Iraq turns into a festering nexus of Iranian style fundamentalist Islamic terror, he can still turn around and say it was all the Democrat's fault for wanting to 'cut and run.' Nice work!

Whoever the GOP nominee is, he (there is no possibility of a she) can use this vote against the Dems, too, by saying they are as much responsible for the mess in Iraq as W. is, because they voted against pulling out. Sure both sides were wrong, he can say, but we were a little more right, because we knew this is what would happen if we cut and run, like the Dems said we should.

If I were the Democrats I'd be mad too.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:28 PM
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1. No, almost all Democrats voted yes on the Levin amendment
Withdrawl but without the specific date.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:16 PM
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7. Levin Amendment got 39 votes, triple what Kerry-Feingold got...
Rockefeller didn't vote on either (surgery).....

Nelson, Nelson, Pryor and two others whose name I forget, voted against.

In other words, nearly the entire caucus supported the Levin Amendment....
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:48 AM
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9. Exactly !
Almost unanimous...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 11:40 AM
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11. Making that statement quite false. I do wish the OP would say something
Oopsie would do.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:05 PM
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12. thank you
I am SO glad the very first poster pointed out this fact.

I wonder if the OP's analysis will change based on this correction.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:28 PM
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2. sorry, don't agree
The public will hold bush* accountable for the colossal screw up that is Iraq. Americans may be slow on the uptake, but they have learned that one well. They will see that this headline is an inconsequential matter
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 09:25 AM
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8. today's pundits are making it clear the Dems didn't have the courage to
actually vote for something the Military has in mind.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:30 PM
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3. dems just need to point out that bush is following the dems plan
despite his wish to kill more americans.

Msongs

listen to our demos!
www.msongs.com/msongsdemos.htm
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:38 PM
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4. All Dems support troop drawdown
I said last week we should unify around that basic idea and not divide the party over who supported date certain and who supported a longer process. We should have painted Republicans as supporting Bush's failed collision course. And Boxer should have said Republicans opposed the drawdown instead of trying to walk between the two different Dem amendments.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:42 PM
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5. I wouldn't be mad... I'd see this as an opportunity to take credit...
...for actually having a plan.

NGU.


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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:52 PM
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what are you talking about?
all most all Dems supported the withdrawal of troops. How have they walked into a trap? Once again, Democratic ideas, policy, initiatives are ridiculed by a right wing noise machine only to quietly lead to a new Republican initiative (albeit with hidden agenda items)

For instance - medicare prescription drug coverage - Democratic initiative reworked by Republicans to look good to the public but have a hidden agenda to funnel money to big health care biz

also - energy independence - Democratic initiative reworked by Republicans to funnel money to oil companies for "exploration"

Assistance for family farmers - Democratic initiative reworked by Republicans and corporatist as tax breaks for factory farms

and the list goes on.....
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:52 PM
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6. With all the WaPo/FauxNews/MoonieTimes shilling, it is surprising
Bush is still stuck way down in the thirties in the polls. Just think without corporate media holding him up how low Bush would be.

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 10:44 AM
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10. I think it appears to be the other way around...the Repubs got sucker
punched. This doesn't look good for the GOP. They made a big deal of 'staying the course' and the next week are discussing plans for a drawdown that looks exactly like the Dem proposal.

It is the GOP that was sucker-punched.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-27-06 12:13 PM
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13. GOP is "flip-flopping" now ?
:evilgrin:
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