The Foley situation stinks, but what a disappointing way to gain

[Fire Walk With Me]

on the GOP.

I'm disappointed that all of the preceding issues have failed to stick and bring about the required change.

Oh well, march against Bush tomorrow:

http://www.worldcantwait.org/

[thatsrightimirish]

1. i agree

It's sad that the many other corruption issues and Iraq wasn't quite enough to get us past the mark. (If we do) But if we have a majority that fine with me!

[iamjoy]

2. See, It's About Sex

no one cares about wars, poverty or civil rights. it's all

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please, no one tell me pedophiles aren't about sex, but power. True, but not the point.

Forget the Geneva Convention being redefined at the whim of our Chief Executive. Let's discuss Mark Foley's penis.

[StClone]

5. Estimation of the Situation

Get them out anyway possible. They steal elections, start wars steal our lives...if sex is they're undoing it says a lot about the Conservatives and the people that they've duped.

[w8liftinglady]

3. true,but when the system is stacked against you,

you have to go with what you are dealt....think of the end,not the means.

[iconocrastic]

4. Just when we had the momentum going with Woodward on the war issue

this has become a major distraction.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. Bush won because of the Monica thing, at least this one is a legit

scandal.

[Fire Walk With Me]

7. Someone buy Cindy Sheehan a drink for me.

She might need a hug right now. And the mothers of nearly 3,000 other dead soldiers for oil and lies, wondering how the death of their child is seemingly okay, in contrast to this.

[Gman]

8. I don't care it was both the live boy AND a dead woman

as long as we win. Never question a win.

[ClassWarrior]

9. But this is an opportunity to make our points on all of the preceding...

...issues. We can connect this crass, disgusting display of political self-preservation to the criminal, immoral, irresponsible Rape-Publican Culture of Corruption.

NGU.

[Fire Walk With Me]

11. Good points all, but this could as another DUer said, devolve into a sex

battle between the parties, another divide-and-conquer I'm-holier-than-thou hotbutton issue meant to distract from the things that must change.

Definitely take the win, but man, these people are trying to start war with Islam because they profit from war and want to grab more power at home. There are just better reasons to oust these sub-humans. Absolutely no offense meant to any who have suffered from the abuses at hand, BTW.

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Whatever sinks their boat.

Don't care at all what does them in as long as they get done in.

[Human Torch]

12. Consider this:

Karl Rove's manner of "gaining on the Democrats?"

The "illegitimate black child" of John McCain.

The Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth."

on and on and on and on. He LOVES the way he gains. He LOVES destroying lives, beating and humiliating and ruining his opposition. That's what the fat bastard LIVES for.

Foley did this to himself. The GOP then turned on itself, eager to place blame among its own. Meanwhile Bush is pounding his mighty little chimp chest and talking about all of the bad things that will happen if "THEY" (Democrats) win. Tough talk from the guy who labeled himself a "uniter, not a divider."

The American public, by and large, is fascinated by shiny objects dangled in front of its face. They like tabloid headlines. They like to kick famous and powerful people when they slip and fall. They like dirt. They loved the ressurection of the JonBenet stuff and now they have a new John Mark Karr to fill the void...Foley.

If we have substantial gains on November 7th, we can actually DO something with the issues instead of succumb over and over and over again to a Republican-controlled House and Senate.

At this point, considering the shape our country is in, I'll take it any way I can get it and mourn about how I got it later...much, much later.

:patriot:

[calimary]

13. Hey, don't look a gift horse in the mouth! WHATEVER works!

And think of it this way - if it helps us get back the House of Reps, what do you care, anyway? Because if we get back the House, we can do all sorts of things about the issues and malfeasances that you really care about most - like IMPEACHMENT, the damned war, the illegal wiretapping, the torture, the cronyism, the election fraud, the destruction of our Constitution, the you-name-it. Because if we get back the House, OUR people will chair all the committees. OUR people will set the agenda. OUR people will be able to hold hearings in the regular House hearing rooms instead of downstairs in the basement boiler room, and OUR people will have subpoena power. Which will be cool, because OUR people are FAR more likely to use that subpoena power to drag in the schmucks who really need to answer to the American people for what they've done, AND will be compelled to do so UNDER OATH. OUR people are far less likely to let assholes like alberto "Torture's Okay" gonzales slide in and out of there without being formally sworn in for questioning UNDER OATH.

Just call me Ms. Machiavelli. Fine. I can live with that. If it gets us where we need to go to start REALLY fixing all this shit and demanding - AND GETTING accountability at long last, and ending the damned whitewashes and the Texas Two-Steps and all the rest of it, then it's MORE than okay by me.

And you surely can appreciate the delicious irony of all this, even while it's truly rather pathetic. It's a frickin' SEX SCANDAL that will be the final nail in the coffin. A SEX SCANDAL for cryingoutloud. Even stinkier and nastier than the one that almost brought Clinton down. I find that rather sweet, savory justice, myself.

Besides, a sex scandal afflicting the republi-CONS is really quite a thing of beauty. It smacks every last one of those self-righteous, sanctimonious, arrogant, smug holier-than-thou's straight in the face. They tried to hang us with the man cheating on his wife and lying about it. Well, whaddya make of THIS one, then, which seems a helluva lot worse?!?!?! A little mortification is good for the soul (assuming the republi-CONS actually HAVE souls). Once upon a time here on DU, one of us said that what REALLY needed to be done to these assholes to save our country is for them to get the snot beaten out of them in the next election. They can't just get voted out. They have to be seriously, publicly shamed. Smacked around but good. It's the only way to get through to them and bring their juggernaut of lies, cheating, death, carnage, and horror to an end. They not only need to be hit back hard, they need to be brought down hard. And since sex scandals are what get everybody's attention, well then, so be it. Besides, this is the kind of thing the National Enquirer just LOVES, and it's EVERYWHERE, and whether people admit it or not, they read it hungrily as the guilty pleasure it is.

At this point, I don't care WHAT brings 'em down. Just as long as they're brought down.

[rurallib]

14. Like the old story of getting a mule to turn

First you hit him upside the head witha 2X4 to get his attention THEN you can get him to turn. High Gas prices were the first 2X4. This is actually about the 10th, but a good one.