DNC willing to borrow money for DSCC....things must be looking good.

[madfloridian]

Wouldn't it be nice if we funded our party enough they did not have to use the line of credit? Yep, it would be very nice. But I see this post today about Dean's unique way of getting new donors is almost being ignored.

Howard Dean (DNC): SOMETHING NEW & DIFFERENT

Here's the skinny from Hotline blog, and it seems to indicate the pressure is very great on Howard Dean....and it ends with maybe this will get them off his back.

But what it really indicates is that they must be very sure of our chances...or I don't think they would bother.

DNC Takes Out Loan For DSCC

October 17, 2006

DNC Takes Out Loan For DSCC
The DSCC's optimism about winning the Senate is apparently contagious as the DNC is going to pony up an extra $5-10M for the Senate committee, according to sources familiar with the previously reported arrangement between the two campaign orgs.

While the DNC doesn't have $10M to just toss around to another campaign committee, the DNC apparently has decided to go into debt to come up with the extra cash DSCC Chair Chuck Schumer has been pleading for from DNC Chair Howard Dean. The actual amount of the loan the DNC is taking out is not known as the committee holds out hope they can raise nearly everything they need before the election. But a line of credit has been opened."

..." A national party committee taking out a loan toward the end of an election cycle is not unusual, particularly on the Democratic side of the aisle. In '04, the DCCC took out a loan in an attempt to save the Texas Democratic House incumbents. In the end, four of those five Texas Democratic incumbents lost."

...."The RNC is proving to be an important cog to the Republicans' efforts to hold the House and Senate, particularly the Senate. It's been something that's gotten under the skin of Schumer and DCCC Chair Rahm Emanuel. It'll be interesting to see if Dean's decision to go into debt will finally get Schumer and Emanuel off his back."

Oh, that's the RNC whose chairman was CNN lying his ass off on Sunday. Our DNC chairman was on telling some powerful truths just before him.

Yet the first one gets millions more in donations...go figure. We don't fund our party very well yet.

[snowbear]

1. I'm glad that Dean and Emanuel are working together...

Despite whatever lies the THUGS put out!!

~ ~

[madfloridian]

3. They are working together, but the loan appears to be for Schumer.

Not sure about how the article was worded, but it seems that way.

[williesgirl]

2. Go for it! Just donated again - recommended

[Pirate Smile]

4. I'm not surprised. Remember this from last weekend:

Category 5 Hurricane Heads for House GOP

-snip-
That said, this is without question the worst political situation for the GOP since the Watergate disaster in 1974. I think a 30-seat gain today for Democrats is more likely to occur than a 15-seat gain, the minimum that would tip the majority. The chances of that number going higher are also strong, unless something occurs that fundamentally changes the dynamic of this election. This is what Republican strategists' nightmares look like.

-snip-
On a conference call today, James Carville suggested that the Democratic Party should expand beyond just the top targeted races. He believes the party should help fund previously ignored Democratic challengers in second- and third-tier districts--the next 30 to 50 Republican-held seats--to fully capitalize on this environment and help those candidates maximize their chances of winning. Carville went as far as to suggest Democrats go to the bank and borrow $5 million. If I were them, I'd make it $10 million and put $500,000 each of these 20 districts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2882729

[madfloridian]

8. I thought of that. Carville is still carrying heavy weight in the party.

But Dean is doing what he must do, so I guess that is good.

Carville and Begala are the Clinton strategists who started the Dean is crazy meme on Crossfire.

The same old people are in control....for now. There has not been time to build the strategic base we need to switch the power.

Dean said his greatest fear is that if we won nothing much would change in the party. I fear he may be right.

[Pirate Smile]

11. Others agreed. It isn't that Carville said it. It just makes sense since

things appear to be breaking our way.

Howard wouldn't do it unless he believed it was the right thing to do. He has already shown that they can't push him around.

[IndyOp]

12. Carville was talking about the house and the loan is going to Senate -

right? I'd rather they put the money on the House - increasing Dem votes for the House will increase votes for Senate...

:shrug:

[Pirate Smile]

13. You're right. I guess because the Senate now appears to be truly

in play whereas it was a long shot earlier.

Why the DCCC didn't get in on this? I don't know.

[Mass]

5. I am happy that Dean is doing that, but ...

I wonder why Clinton does not make a couple of fundraisers to get this money? He got 2 millions yesterday in MA.

I am not sure why they need the DNC to make a loan. Ask a few people with big campaign accounts who have money to give them some. Make a couple fundraisers with some big names and these funds should be raised easily.

[madfloridian]

6. I agree, but that is where the burden lies....

on the DNC.

[NMDemDist2]

9. IIRC Hilly turned over $2.1 mill to them last week or so from her campaign

coffers

she wasn't the only one either I don't think. the Dems are scraping up every penny for this push

:yourock:

[Cha]

7. KNR~ If I had any more

money to give I would certainly give now~

I hope some of this money is for GOTV and serious this time!

[madfloridian]

10. You know how to get 10 million in a hurry?

Have one million people give 10 dollars. Or have half a million give 20 dollars.

That was always Dean's dream to build the base of the party.

I hate he is having to take Carville's advice.

[Name removed]

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[IndyOp]

15. Sorry. Too busy working on the election. Ignore polls. GOTV*

*Suggestion only applies to DEMS.

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[madfloridian]

18. All we want is control of the House. The rest is icing on the cake.

Someone has to monitor this corrupt bunch. The House will be fine. Senate good but not necessary.

[IndyOp]

21. The House tries. The Senate convicts. You want him GONE? We need both.

Monitor - okay, but not really - people are dying. So many. So, so many. The corporatists must be slowed, then stopped, then reversed until life and society are valued more than $$$. BLOW OUT - NOW.

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[Zynx]

19. What a joke.

That site's not even worth bothering with.

[Daylin Byak]

24. I just went to that prediction site

And that is just a flat out joke, they actually believe that the dems will actually lost seat, alot of seats.

Look whatever happens, majority or minority we will gain seats in the house or senate no mtter what happens repuke incumbent will wave good bye to DC, whatever is enough for control is anybodys guess but we will gain.

[tkmorris]

23. Absolutely hilarious

Your site has the repubs picking up 3 seats in the Senate, and 7 in the House. That is of course absurd on the face of it. I don't even a hard core freeper would predict that with a straight face. How on earth do you arrive at those kinds of conclusions anyway?

[KingFlorez]

26. Why post such junk?

Only the right wing fringe would believe that site

[KittyWampus]

16. This is what Carville suggested doing.

[madfloridian]

17. We know.

Carville is the boss. For a while anyway.

I don't care for him at all, he has no business near party poltics right now if it be true he really did sell Kerry out to Mary Matalin.

He should be ashamed.

[ProSense]

20. Bad idea, especially to fund

VA and NJ, Menendez has three times as much money as Kean. Besides, this story reads like rumor. Carville made his suggestion last weekend, and according to the article this is based on new information about the previously announced arrangement. While it say's a line of credit has been opened, it states that the DNC still believes it could raise the need money. This part seems more like Carville being inserted into a done deal:

There has been some speculation (driven a bit by Democratic pundits like James Carville) that the DCCC might take out another loan this cycle in order to spend money on some of these new House seats that have come into play over the last few weeks.

Driven a bit?

I'll contribute to the DNC, and hope they raise the money to avoid a large debt.

[Infinite Hope]

22. We need wealthy Democrats like Streisand et al...

to come together and announce they will add 10 times whatever is donated in the next week. Then every Democratic and liberal organization in the country needs to petition their members to donate to the DSCC and/or DCCC. If they could raise $1 million from donors, that's $10 million from wealthy Democrats for a total of $11 million.

It's simple.

[GreenTea]

25. Now's the time for all of us to donate to the DSCC _ Got to do it!

[madfloridian]

27. I just donated to the DNC so they won't need the loan for the DSCC

That makes more sense to me.

[saracat]

28. Never.NO money to any Of the DNC, DCCC or DSCC. Give to candidates

directly.All of these groups have made a hash of money distribution.They stick by only targeting those they think are shoe ins and give literally nothing to the others.There are many races we could win, but if you give your money to any of those groups it is very likely the canduidates will never receive it!

[madfloridian]

29. I thought you knew the difference between them.

I am sorry you don't.

I donate to the DNC, to DFA, and to some DFA candidates in addition.

You seem not to understand that what the DNC is doing is different than they have done for years, and you seem to be attacking their efforts.

I have noticed that several times. If you don't like your state leaders, it is up to you to change them. Don't blame the DNC.

I can't stand a lot of the party leaders in our state. But it is most certainly not the fault of the DNC or Dean...it is the fault of the voters who let them continue doing things the old way. I saw your post the other day ripping the leaders apart in your state. If you don't like them do something.

You need to read up on the DNC's role, you seem confused.

[saracat]

30. I most certainly am NOT confused. The DNC serves as an enabler to a

philosophy that permeates the party as a whole. The so called 50 state strategy is worthless without oversight. There is NO oversight being used by the DNC as it pours money into maws of many incompetent staffers.This is exactly the same situation that has prevailed for years in out party.I was hoping Dean would change the scenario but while he has definitely distributed more money to the states it isn't being spent on competency.And this is the real reason we lose elections.The GOP hires much more competent operatives.Sad but true.And I did NOT rip into my own state party!My state has problems, it is true but it is a mix of good and bad among the staffers.And my state is no different than the rest of the 50 states.The reason I will NOT donate to the DNC is that they work according to the Peter Principle and I will not fund the salaries of those people. It enrages me to see loyal Democrats and hard working candidates being treated like trash by the DNC funded staffers. My money will go directly to candidates until I see some real change in how the party operates. And BTW, I am one of the "party leaders" in my state and I am working for change but DC has a lot more control than is being acknowledged.

[madfloridian]

31. Then don't, saracat., don't donate.. Just keep bashing the DNC and Dean.

Good time for that right now.

Just keep on doing that if you feel better. I have been down too many roads arguing stuff with you, not going there.

Backing off.

[saracat]

32. Please give to your Democratic candidates.And give till it hurts. These

final weeks are critical and the CANDIDATES need our help NOW more than ever!

[wiley]

33. Sent Dean and DNC Money

This is a great sign.

[The Magistrate]

34. This Is Excellent News, Ma'am

It is certainly the right thing to do. This is a double-down situation if ever there was one....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"