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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:31 PM
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Supporting gay rights is not a problem, and it does not keep Dems from being elected
Every campaign season the calls to jettison gays and set aside equal rights "just for now" become depressingly prevalent. People rightly see gay rights as an issue in which the right thing to do is electorally unpopular. Under the pretense of pragmatism, with much talk of committee seats and majority rule, people argue that politicians have no choice but to compromise--to say that they agree with something safe but half-hearted like civil unions, rather than something simple yet controversial like equal rights. The argument is often made that equal rights must be sacrificed, that politicians must support something vile (like opposing equal rights) or safe (like vague support for civil unions), because otherwise they will never be elected in their district/state.

What this truism of an argument fails to take into account is the myriad positions conservatives strongly hold that are extremely unpopular. Corporate welfare; support for outsourcing; massive tax cuts for the elite; rewriting the tax codes into a bacchanal for investors; free trade agreements unencumbered by labor or environmental regulations; the complete ceding of public regulatory power to the pharmaceutical companies--these are all extremely unpopular on the face of things. If polled on these issues, the populace at large would side overwhelmingly in favor of the Democratic positions. But notice that these issues aren't at the forefront of our political discourse. There isn't the same feverish focus on economic inequality as there is on the social/bedroom issues. Why? Because when they are the focus, conservatives lose every time on these economic issues.

Yet these unpopular stances, these fiscal policies in support of an extreme privileged minority, form the core of the conservative agenda. They aren't on the periphery--they are why conservatives have thousands of funded think-tanks, advocacy groups and armies of lobbyists. They are richly rewarded for these utterly unpopular stances. Yet the public debate is never focused on such issues--the public debate focuses on the bedroom, on the "throwaway" social issues. Of course they aren't throwaway--they are often about basic human rights, dignity, etc. which are by their nature extremely important. But they -are- throwaway to conservatives. Conservatives couldn't care less about gay marriage, but they know that it is a divisive issue that will pad out their ballot boxes. A small percentage of the population having rights that everyone else has doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things to the conservative leadership's mind, but a $10 billion profit for Exxon-Mobil matters, as do the untold profits of defense contractors, billions recovered from the poor and middle class and funneled into big pharma, environmental deregulation, etc. The conservatives inflate a social issue that is important but not among the -central- issues facing our country into a prominent position in our discourse solely to get votes. That's it. They want to fire up their base and net the most votes from the rest of our more quietly bigoted population.

This is why simply choosing a position on the issue once it is catapulted into prominence during an election year -does- seem like electoral suicide. Conservatives have carefully chosen the issue to pick the winning side and leave us to the losing side. What's right or wrong never enters into their calculation--they just want to claim the vote-rich territory and leave us the scraps. That the scraps include the right thing to do is irrelevant to them, though it is relevant to us. Their main goal is to push through their economic agenda--on these social issues they will simply stake out whatever position is electorally profitable and then shout about it until Democrats are forced to stake out their own positions. Since we're the only ones who have a concern about what the right thing to do is, we are at a disadvantage. But notice that the conservatives have their own issues on which their stances are not only immobile and unpopular, but also demonstrably wrong. While popular opinion will swing toward equal rights inevitably, never will popular opinion swing toward enriching the upper class at the expense of the lower.

So the answer isn't to flee from debate and stake out some mealy-mouthed position that's afraid of equal rights but unwilling to sell out part of the human race entirely. It's to catapult some of the conservatives' unpopular positions to the forefront of the debate, and by doing so combat the effect their divisive pandering has on our ballot boxes. The answer is never the "ends justifies the means" solution of selling out gays and other unpopular but worthy causes--the answer is to fight back. The answer is to force out the conservative agenda's most horrible and unpopular stances and focus the debate as much as possible on those. Equal rights for gays then would occupy its proper place--an important, necessary issue of our times, but not one that solely decides the election.
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Totallybushed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:40 PM
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1. I admire your integrity.
Go for it!!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:41 PM
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2. tel that to harold ford jr, who is using his anti-gay views to be elected
in tennessee. Ooops, I forgot, better a democrat who does not support equality for ALL than a republican..who does NOT support equality for all.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:34 PM
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3. it's difficult here sometimes when those who are
supposed to be on our side aren't.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 04:06 PM
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16. Don't forget the Dem Creature gov. candidate from Arkansas
Beebe who hates gays. I'll pass on that Dem
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 09:08 PM
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4. "the answer is to fight back"
Yes. Oh yes indeed. :thumbsup:
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 09:47 PM
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5. Not many Dems are for gay marriage
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 09:48 PM by BluegrassDem
Most are for civil unions. I think Kerry has this position. But the conservatives skew that to make it seem like they support gay marriage. However, this is a losing issue in southern states and some border states as well. It doesn't matter in L.A. or NYC, but supporting gay marriage will kill a Democrat running rural areas.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:06 PM
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6. did you even read the OP?
:shrug:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:30 AM
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8. And? That's not equal rights for all.
You know, we're NEVER going to give up until we get all the rights straight people have.

Never.

Ever.

Not in your lifetime. Not in mine.

You can either work with us, or step out of the way and allow us to fight for our deserved rights.

If you actually READ the OP, you'll find a successful strategy: attack their terrible policies head-on. Don't back down. Show the people they can either pick someone who will protect their rights, keep them safe, better their living conditions, and undertake all manner of progressive policies while also supporting equal rights for all, or a greedy lying pro-corporate scumbag who also hates fags.

It's a friggin' no-brainer! We win every time when we do that.

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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:52 AM
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11. It's a losing issue, but that's why we need to add focus to GOP losing issues
Just because something is a losing issue doesn't mean you don't do what's right. The GOP consistently holds losing positions on economic matters, and they are doing what is -wrong-, so in my view and no doubt in the view of others we win that contest. People will come around to equal rights because they always have, but nobody will "come around" to policies that support the richest at the expense of the poorer.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:26 AM
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7. EXACTLY. "Why do you want to argue against equal rights for all Americans...
...while hiding the fact that you support gutting workers' rights and polluting the environment to make obscene profits at the expense of the average worker's tale-home pay and his children's health?"

That. Simple.

Every time they bring up equal rights - NOT gay rights, though of course rightwingers call it that to lie about it somehow being 'special' rights - hammer them this way. Make them defend both their bigotry and their hidden schemes. Bring it out into the light. Put them on the defensive.

STOP cowing. STOP backing down from bullies. STOP letting them lie about us, all of us!

How is this hard for some people to understand? So the fascists will attempt to use the NJ decision against us - so what! Take a stance, support what's right - equal rights for all - and shove it right back in their faces, make them explain why they want to deny a gay man from seeing his dying partner of 20 years, why he wants to rip children from their loving, caring lesbian parents - why they want to institutionalize homophobia and bigotry.

TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEM! GIVE NO QUARTER! This is no time for namby-pamby appeasement of thugs - rights and lives are at stake!

Stop being so fucking afraid, people!

(K&R for a fantastic post and hopefully enlightening thread!)

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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:22 AM
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9. "Gay rights" is a right wing term, it is not gay rights but equal rights
I get tired of seeing these tired old GOP talking points used here every single day..
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 11:57 AM
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12. Sorry, I wanted to point out that the particular focus was on gays
But yes it's best to say "equal rights."
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Zero Division Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:22 AM
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10. Kicked and Recommended
Pragmatism and Principle don't have to be mutually exclusive. It just take intelligence and political savvy. Great post JPGray.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:04 PM
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13. I'm not sure exactly what the mechanics of it would be
That's what I've been thinking about recently. The issues that become the "focus of an election sometimes seem depressingly arbitrary to me.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:50 PM
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14. Excellent points and well explained!
:applause:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 03:58 PM
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15. It is more accurately framed EQUAL RIGHTS.
The Constitution doesn't discriminate and neither should our lawmakers. Dems need to move the discussion from sexuality to basic human rights.
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