Would more blacks vote for Obama or Hillary?

[kentuck]

My hunch, only a hunch, is that most would vote for Hillary. Why? Because of the high regard they still hold for her husband, President Clinton. I believe that Obama has not connected with the majority of blacks in America yet. They sense he may be someone who has not experienced the same "American" experience as most black leaders in America today. He really has no institutional memory of the battle of the '60's and previous experiences. I think he has a hard sell to make to the black voters of America. Just my opinion.

[LiberalFighter]

1. It may also depend on the support of major players in the community

like Jesse Jackson and others.

[Bullet1987]

2. There will definently...

...Be an attempt to split the Black vote. To a certain degree it's already started. But I'm tired of these publications like TIME and others acting as if they speak for the Black community.

It'll be interesting to see if the NAACP gets behind Barack. Obama though is already a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, but will they openly support his candidacy? And of course, will the Black activists...who can can stubborn at times, support him? He's already been on the cover of Ebony Magazine (a premiere Black publication) alongside a very good and supportive article. But the Clinton's do have a lot of support in the Black community...

[LiberalFighter]

6. Now is not the time for any of them to commit to supporting

Many will wait until the point of no return. Or they believe their endorsement will cause the tide to make a difference.

After the first primary/caucus will be that period. In 2008.

[beaconess]

18. The NAACP CAN'T "get behind" Obama - they are a 501(c)(3) and therefore cannot endorse

political candidates.

As for the Congressional Black Caucus, it is not a monolith. It is made up of of 43 members who have varying opinions, alliances, and interests. Some, such as Rep. Artur Davis of Alabama, have endored Obama. Many others will likely endorse other candidates.

[butterfly77]

8. Jesse Jackson or Sharpton or others are not the spokespeople

for black people, just as Hillary, Biden or others are not for whites or others... Blacks look at each candidate for their policies just as other races do. I hate the fact that people always separate blacks as though they don't know what is in their best interest.

Most of the time they vote democratic because they are picking who is the least worst out of the two parties and some vote green, independent and other parties because they are fed up,if they keep taking blacks for granted they will see them vote for neither dems or repugs because some feel that they are not getting anything one way of the other. Both parties take them for granted...

[beaconess]

17. I think black voters can figure out for themselves who they want to vote for and don't need Jesse

Jackson and others to tell them.

[angee_is_mad]

25. Jesse endorses Obama

He has been on the record saying that he will support Obama. I believe that Michelle and Santita are pretty tight.

[beaconess]

28. When did he say that? Links?

[angee_is_mad]

31. Here's Proof

Here is the link.

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/01/jesse-jackson-all-of-my-heart-leans.html

[beaconess]

32. Thanks!

[angee_is_mad]

34. Sorry

I should have provided it in my initial link.

[fujiyama]

24. Hmmm Jesse Jackson has that much influence still?

I really doubt that.

[PresidentObama]

3. I'd say Obama.

He has the ability to excite all people with his vast character appeal and charisma, and in that respect he could be the next best thing to Bill Clinton to appealing to all people.

With that said, Hillary has Bill. But Hillary just doesn't connect with people in the degree that Obama does. Not saying thats a good or bad thing, but I think Obama will pick up the black vote.

[butterfly77]

7. I say not...

[blm]

21. Because ...... why? Did Clinton cover up for Poppy Bush on CIAdrugrunning that targeted black

communities for the dumping of cheap cocaine/crack for years or not?

[blm]

4. Obama didn't spend 8 yrs covering up for Poppy Bush, and siding with Bush1

on the CIA drugrunning that targeted the black communities for dumping the cheap cocaine that was part of the deals being made by IranContra figures being protected by BushInc.

Clinton showed the black community whose side he was really on back then. The corpmedia made sure the report was scorned and deep-sixed, while the documentation that proved the report was true popped up in CIA documents two years later with little coverage in the press.

[oasis]

9. Claims that Clinton covered up for Bush's CIA drug running. Where are members of the black

community going to find that information? The National Enquirer? "Out of the Wilderness"?

I'm afraid you won't find enough buyers of conspiracy theories to make a dent in BC's popularity among members of the black community. Or anywhere else for that matter.

[blm]

11. The BET documentary American Gangster relates the matter - story broke in 1996.

The reporter was vilified, the story denied and downplayed. Who was in office at the time and kept the documents that backed up the story out of the public eye for 2 years till the story was well buried?

Surely loyalty hasn't blinded you to the truth that you would deny that this ever happened, oasis? Either it happened or it didn't. Either Bill Clinton was in office in 1996-1998 and covered it up or another WH did.

You know he did it. Because if he didn't cover it up, there would be no way Bush2 could ever have taken office with that revelation.

[politicasista]

15. And not a peep from the urban media

They are misinformed. That's why they still love Bill and Hil regardless.

[blm]

20. The BET documentary was the first time the report got any indepth scrutiny.

.

[AtomicKitten]

16. Classic case of projection.

Loyalty has indeed blinded you to the truth and that is Kerry lost the 2004 election because he didn't stand up to the Swift Boat Liars and because he didn't fight for the vote like he promised. The rest is extrapolated bullshit and blaming.

I think your tin foil hat is on too tight.

[blm]

19. I think you never read the National Security Archives. Are you saying CIA documents LIED

and that Gary Webb - a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter MADE UP THE ENTIRE STORY?

Show us where Webb lied, and where the documentary lied. If the report came out in 1996, and Webb was the one attacked, was there another WH denying the story or was it Clinton's WH?

[nevergiveup]

5. Obama has not got going yet.

Hillary will hold on to some black support but in the end Obama will get a majority. Just my opinion.

[ripple]

10. They will split, but Obama will pick up the majority

Keep in mind, Obama represents a state with a large black population and one that has been at the center of the national struggle for racial equality for a number of years now.

Also, just like in all racial demographics, there are a lot of black voters that won't vote for a woman no matter what. In fact, it might be worth looking at who will pick up the gender vote. By that, I mean who will most women choose and who will most men choose?

While it makes my head spin sometimes, there are a lot of dynamics to consider in this contest of largely untested waters. The demographic breakdowns are endless and it's difficult to pinpoint which will prove most influential on election day.

[politicasista]

13. I hope they go for Obama n/t

[fujiyama]

12. Hillary may have support still

because of warm feelings for her husband, but I wouldn't say she can take that for granted - she's not nearly as charismatic as Bill. I think the greatest contrast was at the ceremony for Coretta Scott King. He came off incredibly sincere and as usual showed his ability to talk to anybody about anything. After all, he does the same thing in India and Africa as well. Hillary spoke but she couldn't compare with him.

Obama can't take it for granted either considering his story isn't quite the same as most African Americans. But I think as he campaign more people will get to know him better and he has done quite a bit as a community organizer and in the Illinois State House.

But I wouldn't count Edwards out either. I think he has the ability to appeal to African Americans as well - especially in the South, where he has experience campaigning.

[blm]

22. Well, BET keeps rerunning their American Gangster documentary - I hope more in the black community

realize that the administration who LIED and knocked down the CIA drugrunning story and the investigative reporter who uncovered it was the 1996 administration of Bill Clinton.

[Imagevision]

14. When it's down to the wire, Hillary would have already lost a sizeable number of the black vote

[Karenina]

23. We are neither a monolith

nor a commodity. Thanks, Kentuck. :puke:

[orleans]

26. interesting question. and i'd be interested in hearing black people's opinions

on this. (otherwise it turns into a hardball show where tweety kept talking about the biden/obama thing to two other white guys)

[beaconess]

29. :-) You noticed?

[orleans]

33. yes, i noticed. did you see that show? i couldn't believe how absurd

it was becoming--

(i had been cleaning and i took a break to watch part of his show and when that happened--three white guys assessing the "articulate" bit that biden said--i got up and started cleaning again. i just thought: fu*k this! it was striking absurd)

[Connie_Corleone]

27. We don't all think alike.

I don't really care what "American" experience Obama might or might not have.

I'll vote for whoever will make the better president. I'm an Obama supporter for a variety of reasons.

Black people are not a monolithic group.

[noonwitch]

30. Maybe, they'll get a chance to vote for both in 2008!

I would love to see President Hillary Clinton and VP Barak Obama.

[snowbear]

35. Most will vote for OBAMA .... OBAMA ... OBAMA !!!

He rocks!!! When it comes to talking to the public, he reminds me of General Clark..

Both Barack and Wes have a way of making you want to listen to them all day.. (and night )

~~~~~

They are unbelievable speakers!!

Hillary? Not so much. In fact, what a head splitter.. She grates on my nerves.

[Nedsdag]

36. There's a video on YouTube

of Hillary talking at a conference where she made her famous or infamous "plantation" statement. She's tried to be "hip" and act "down" as she spoke to her predominately African American audience.

It made me wince. It was rather painful. She's no Bill.

[Strawman]

37. I would guess more would turn out for Obama

But the percentage will be about the same or perhaps only slightly better for Obama.