even though I sometimes criticize Hillery, if she wins the primaries I will vote

[donsu]

for her.

just wanted to get that straight.

whatever dem wins I will vote for.

and I'll still criticize any of them if called for.

[papau]

1. I think you just defined the position of nearly every Dem "activist" on DU :-) n/t

n/t

[Meshuga]

2. I'm with you

While Gore is not in the race my support goes to the democratic nominee. I have no clue who to vote to in the primaries but whoever wins the nomination has my full support.

[ShortnFiery]

3. That makes one of us ...

No matter how much people try to *force* her on us, especially the Right Wing, the more I'm resisting because I will not be intimidated into putting party above country. No, I will not!

[ruggerson]

7. Then I guess we can blame you

when a Republican president appoints another theocratic fundamentalist Christian activist to the Supreme Court in '09.

[ShortnFiery]

12. You blamed Ralph Nader, I suppose you will.

But the truth be told, had you convinced more people and brought the greens into the fold instead of continuing to see them as your enemy, Gore may have been president by a landslide. :shrug:

Would of, should of, could of. :eyes:

Be my guest. I know that I'm a democrat but if the democratic nominee is only for the corporations and warmongering, I must put Country above Party. :hi:

[ruggerson]

15. Last I looked, this was Democratic Underground

not "Green Or Whatever Disgruntled Label I Want To Call Myself Today Underground."

[ShortnFiery]

16. Oh stop, I'm a democrat, but I will NOT be intimidated.

Look at my past posts before you try to pull rank on me? :eyes:

[ruggerson]

18. Democrats vote for the Democratic presidential candidate

unless it's Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman or someone of that nature who has stabbed Democrats in the back.

Hillary has a 95% ADA rating. She holds the same views that Kerry and Gore did.

Not voting for her, should she win the nomination, is akin to a child stamping his foot and screaming hysterically because he didn't get the right color Ipod for his birthday.

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[ruggerson]

23. No one is intimidating anyone

That's a red herring. This is a democratic republic, you are free to vote as you wish. And I, and others, are free to comment on your views (as you are on ours) and express our belief that by not voting for the eventual Democratic nominee, you are shooting yourself in the foot and doing a great disservice to those who need your help to effect change.

[ShortnFiery]

24. Please look down, your self-righteous slip is showing. :P

Sure, no intimidation what so ever. Right <wink wink> :eyes:

[ruggerson]

25. Ad hominem is not buttressing your argument n/t

[ShortnFiery]

You're embarrassed? Then stop digging, Behavior, not person :-) n/t

[ruggerson]

27. huh? n/t

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[paulk]

34. I would think that "putting country above party"

would mean keeping the White House out of the hands of the Republicans....

even if that means voting for a Democrat you think is only for the corporations and warmongering, which is a debatable point in itself.

[pnwmom]

44. If the Greens had had any sense, Gore would have been elected

in a landslide.

[mzmolly]

35. I vote for my country, not in spite of it. Also, why would the RW support Hillary

unless they thought people wouldn't vote for her?

I will vote for the nominee. In the words of Molly Ivins "vote with your heart in the primaries, and with your head in the general election."

[ShortnFiery]

36. The Right Wing is encouraging, a la Lieberman, to have fellow

republicans vote for Hillary in those states with open primaries.

Trust me on this: We should fight like there's no tomorrow for Hillary to NOT receive the nomination, because IF she is, it's "The night of the long knives" 24/7 on all the cable outlets. By the time of the Presidential election Hillary will be handed her figurative a**.

Something's amiss if republicans will go vote for her in the primary, i.e., they have lots of dirt to spew between the primaries and general election.

Yes, I vote my Country because we do not need dynasty. I didn't think democrats stood for that?

[mzmolly]

40. It's news to me that the RW loves Hillary.

BIG news. I'd need to do more than trust you on that, I'd need to see THEM vote for her instead of their own candidate in the GE and that's not gonna happen. Further, they want Hillary because they don't think she can win. I tend to agree with them. I think it will be more difficult for her to win than just about any other candidate. She has money and a name, but I think she's very divisive, and I feel that primary voters will realize that. At least I hope they do.

[Dracos]

4. duh!!

I think thats how most of us feel.Shes not my first choice or my second hell not even my third or fourth (get the picture) but if she is the DEMOCRATIC nominee I will vote for her and encourage others to do the same.

[ruggerson]

5. I agree

she's not my first choice either, but I find myself defending her from the pitchfork crowd. There is a breed of progressive that likes nothing better than to try to destroy other progressives.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Yes we are the breed of progressives who did not let the right wing

intimidate us into redefining ourselves. That is, we are unabashed liberals, i.e., what progressives used to call themselves before they were intimidated by the right wing. :shrug:

[ruggerson]

11. All of which is a euphemism

for destructive people who don't know how to win elections and actually try to implement change.

[ShortnFiery]

13. No, wrong answer, next! :-) n/t

[Dracos]

9. SO TRUE!!

Ronald Regan had a rule he called the eleventh commandant Thou shall not speak ill of another republican,and most followed that rule. That would NEVER happen in the Democratic party.

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[Debi]

10. Whoever the Democratic nominee is

I will vote for them :patriot:

[creeksneakers2]

14. I'm with you! n/t

[havocmom]

17. Since I hate holding my nose to vote, I will work hard for someone else in primaries

But if she gets the nod, I will vote for her... then watch her like a hawk and raise bloody hell if she does anything stupid as president. Last thing we need is evidence for the GOP to wave that there isn't any real difference between parties. Hillary will have to preform as a liberal or face the wrath of a lot of us.

[Dracos]

19. She is not a liberal

and I don't think she will move to the left she is a moderate I look for her to move to the right especially if she gets the nomination once elected she will move back to the center.

[havocmom]

31. She IS a windsock

Her message depends on her audience at the time.

I will work hard to get a REAL populist DEM/liberal nominated. Hillary scares me.

[lancdem]

20. I'm with you

There's no Repuke running for prez that I would ever consider voting for. I liked McCain in 2000, but that was a lifetime ago, and before he became the worst Bush ass-kisser imaginable.

[Diane R]

21. I'll vote for her, but I won't find any joy in casting my vote. n/t

[Mark E. Smith]

26. Myself as well.

What could be worse than another grossly inept GOP administration?

[flying rabbit]

46. I'm with you

but knock on wood just in case

[applegrove]

28. We cannot say this enough. It matters so much that the Dems win in 08.

[terip64]

29. Same here! kick and recommend

[The Backlash Cometh]

My main worry:

Yeah, we'll vote for her, but when her triangulation backfires on her and the Republicans come for her, will we care enough to stand together to defend her if she turns out to be an AIPAC lackey or lackey of another self-interested organization?

Because we sure didn't do it for Bill.

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[DesertRat]

32. Ditto. And it's Hillary with an a

;)

[Recursion]

37. Would you vote for her against Hegel or another end-the-war Repub?

I don't just ask this as a what-if: I think it's very very possible that in 2008 we'll see an escalationist Dem against a bring-them-home Republican.

[AJH032]

38. Hillary is not an "escalationist" Dem

She just called on Congress and the President to end the war, and made it very clear that if it is not over when/if she becomes President, she will end it.

Please tell me, what part of that is "escalationist"?

[Recursion]

39. I was talking about Edwards, not Hillary

I don't think Hillary will win the nom because she has so much attention now, and the leading Dem a year out hasn't clinched the nomination in decades (not counting '96 or '00). Remember, at this point in '92 everybody thought it would be Tsongas.

Edwards is getting wicked hawkish on Iran. And I could see him falling under the DLC spell and pushing for action against them.

[AJH032]

41. sorry

I thought you were talking about Hillary because that's who the original poseter was talking about. My apologies.

[Recursion]

42. It's cool I should have been more clear

But I do think, sadly, the GOPrats are abandoning the sinking ship of Iraq faster than the DLCrats are.

[sandnsea]

43. No criticizing in the GE

No believing the media spin, no panic over the teensiest misstep. That's the #1 thing every Democrat needs to learn. Don't sweat the small stuff, it's all small stuff - focus on the big idea, the campaign. That's what "it's the economy, stupid" was all about.

[MasonJar]

45. Voting against Hillary would certainly not be putting one's country

first. The dems must win in 08; we owe it to the world. We have seen the pugs in control; the Congressional pugs did nothing to stop the president-gone-wild. They are not fit to run our country. And that means period. We dems must get heartily behind whomever the majority picks. And that means period also. Hillary in fact has been so excoriated by the right that much of her downside is just their dribble. She was out front, for example, for a Palestinian state and the right wing cabal tried to nail her to the cross.

[AtomicKitten]

47. That's fair, that's democratic,

and that's okay by me.