Demise of GOP just took turn for the worse - Joe Scarborough, MSNBC

[Canuckistanian]

The slow demise of the national Republican Party just took a turn for the worse. Hard to believe that the GOP’s prospects could actually become more bleak after two years of unrelenting bad news, but it has.

Republican senators are now turning their rhetorical guns away from Democrats and toward one another. A few conservative Republican senators, whose votes usually cheer me up during bleak political times, are actually accusing Virginia’s senior senator, John Warner, of providing comfort to terrorists.

The White House even got involved in the name calling when Tony Snow suggested Warner’s actions could embolden the likes of Osama Bin Laden.

The message from the Bush administration seems to be this: “Thanks for carrying our water on this miserable war for four years. Now we’re going accuse you of helping terrorists.”

How pathetic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16942296/

Republicans eating their own. Gotta love it.

[saltpoint]

I'm not exactly enamored of John Warner but claiming he's

giving comfort to terrorists isn't very convincing.

But from a blue voter's perspective, it's kind of thrilling to watch the Republicans in a huge dust-up.

2008 isn't really that far away.

[pnorman]

4. "2008 isn't really that far away. "

Agreed, but Dubya's planned attack on Iran may be a lot closer! It may be Third Reich style "enabling legislation" from then on. All bets will be OFF.

pnorman

[saltpoint]

21. I'm more optimistic. No strike on Iran, say the little elves.

You'd get some high-level military resistance to that within our own Joint Chiefs. They'd try privately at first, then if Dubya was recalcitrant, there'd be a public denunciation of the plan, with a strong emphasis on the vulnerability of our already-exposed army and in the broader picture, fear of increased instability in the region.

Bush is bluffing to gain leverage and to distract the American press from his considerable failures in Iraq.

[exlrrp]

84. Why would we strike Iran?

When the Israelis would be so eager to do it for us? I have no doubt that Israel will do it if the threat ever becomes real. Their intelligence is a LOT better than ours (whose isn't?)
Their motivation is a lot stronger than ours also.

"...Bush is bluffing to gain leverage and to distract the American press from his considerable failures in Iraq..."
Yep.

[LuckyTheDog]

48. Going the way of the Whigs

If this keeps up, the Republicans will be finished as a major party after 2008.

[saltpoint]

83. Sounds pretty good. I wouldn't miss 'em one bit.

[NewJeffCT]

1. I'm all broken up about this

NOT

I'm hoping the Fundies break off and start their own party with Roy Moore and Pat Dobson heading the ticket.

[HappyWeasel]

2. I will be laughing my ass off when the GOP is only restricted to

the deep south, the mormons and the northern plains.

[Dawgs]

14. Hey, some of us live and like it in those places.

Be happy when the deep south and the northern plains are blue.

[SquireJons]

37. As a Virginian, I have to say...

Ain't gonna happen in our life times. I don't know what's wrong with Kansas, but I do know what's wrong with the south. The only way that the south will ever go blue state again is if the Democratic Party reverses course on civil rights. The region truly is single issue, but it's silent; bigotry.

LBJ knew it, back in the early 60's when he twisted arms to pass the Civil Rights Amendment. He said at the time that the Democrats lost the south for at least a generation. Well, it's been over two generations and there are scant signs of a change in heart.

People underestimate just how important bigotry is to the modern republican party. Most of the words and gestures are coded, but still obvious. How many Dems make the pilgrimage to Bob Jones or Liberty University? (race issues dominate these institutions) How often do Dems run race baiting political ads like the ones used against Ford in Tennessee last year or going all the way back the the Willie Horton ad?

To this day, no one seems to have picked up on the message sent on July 4th, 1988 when VP H.W. Bush made a long campaign stop in a tiny North Carolina town to play softball with the locals. Sounds innocent enough, except that a few months earlier, this same town, and these same people he was playing softball with, had attacked a peaceful march through their town by a small group of blacks commemorating the civil rights march to Selma Alabama. On national television, these good towns people attacked peaceful and defenseless men and women with clubs and bricks. Believe me, by literally "playing ball" with these locals, the message sent by the GOP was not lost on the south.

The pugs use these tactics, not because they believe the message. They use them because they work. The south is dominated by white bigotry. There is nothing the Dems can do to change that. The change has to come from within, and I have a hard time imagining that happening any time soon.

As Dems, we should try to pick off a couple of fringe southern states, like Virginia and Florida, and forget the rest. I'm all for "whistling past Dixie" as the new book so aptly puts it.

[Hekate]

38. That is truly sad, but thanks for the reality check

I didn't know about that "playing ball" episode -- that's a doozy, and so like Bush the Elder, that sanctimonious hypocrite.

Hekate

[SquireJons]

39. It is so like bush the elder...

But I have to admit that I respect the creature. To him, politics was a boys game where anything goes. But once the election was won, everyone was supposed to forget the tactics and work together. He was never serious about the demagoguery that spewed from his administration or campaign. And that's what got him in trouble with his base. They believe the crap that comes out of the RNC, he didn't. Bush 41's downfall was his background. Wealth, class and elitism undercut his intelligence and patriotism. A tragic figure if there ever was one.

Cold, calculating and reptilian. Those are my assessments of H.W. Bush, but not a condemnation.

[Skittles]

42. careful, SquireJons

around these parts that kind of truth gets you branded as a "South-basher" :o

[SquireJons]

89. I'm bashing my neighbors, then.

And they damn well deserve it, too! Um, except the guy across the street, he's a chemist and a dead head. And the folks next to me, he's a retired vet who lost a leg in Vietnam and she's a retired teacher. Both conservative, but super nice folks. And the lady across the street who's in her 80's but still goes down to Guatemala to help with free clinics and schools. She pretty awesome. But...

Damn these southerners! They suck.

[Skittles]

93. lol

:hi:

[SquireJons]

94. I'm reminded every now and then not to take life too seriously

:pals:

[Skittles]

95. yes

that is always good advice! :D

[Demeter]

47. Right On, Squire!

Even today, that bigotry isn't so secret, either. For any target group (like mine--uppity females) the streak is a mile wide and a mile deep and crimson with the blood of innocents.

The funny thing is, how can that bigotry continue, unless the target groups (minorities of any persuasion) are complicit? Surely the minorites in a group would outnumber the good ole boy Bubbas by a factor of 3, 4, or maybe even 5 to one.

Perhaps it's because those minorities have their own prejudices against the other minorities, fostered by divide-and-conquer strategies of the Good Ole Boys?

It is a poison that festers in the nation's soul. If Christian Churches taught Love and Acceptance of the Stranger, instead of Exceptionalism and being Born Again as a get out of jail card, I doubt this situation would be possible.

[SquireJons]

90. lots of replies

"Even today, that bigotry isn't so secret, either."

Racism has never been secrete in the south. Seems to me that it's more so now than ever before. We've gone from having openly segregationist candidates for president thirty years ago, to the Senate Majority Leader stepping down over an inadvertent comment that was in no way meant to endorse racism (it was just a knee jerk reaction). But the feelings haven't changed; they've just gone underground.

"like mine--uppity females"

Oh yeah, you're fucked most places in the south. Better move.

"The funny thing is, how can that bigotry continue, unless the target groups (minorities of any persuasion) are complicit? Surely the minorities in a group would outnumber the good ole boy Bubbas by a factor of 3, 4, or maybe even 5 to one."

Segregation and isolation seem to be the most likely culprits. But that's just a guess. The communities still don't mix, except at work. I live in an integrated single family neighborhood, and folks still don't mix. It's like oil and water. Then again, think of places like Rwanda or Bosnia, where people intermixed completely. Mixed marriages were common in both places, and in both places, they slaughtered each other with abandon. Numbers alone are no match for bigotry.

"It is a poison that festers in the nation's soul."

One might even say that it's part of our soul.

"If Christian Churches taught Love and Acceptance of the Stranger, instead of Exceptionalism and being Born Again as a get out of jail card, I doubt this situation would be possible."

But they don't, and it's worse than that. I remember going to a church service in the northern neck area of Virginia, an area which is very rural. The Episcopalian minister said during his homily that the churhes governing body had decreed that each congregation would be required to hear the churches teachings on bigotry. Each church had a choice; they could either give a homily condemning bigotry as a sin or they could give out a pamphlet that the central church had put together on the topic. What this minister decided to to was something else completely. He did tell the congregation that the church higher ups had condemned racism (he never called it a sin), but he said that they were in another place and that they didn't understand the situation that existed in their community. So, he basically was endorsing racism and bigotry to the all white congregation from the pulpit.

That's what goes on in large parts of the south, and there isn't a damn thing that the Democratic Party can do about it. The south will have to sink or swim on it's own.

[The Wizard]

51. They were bigots yesterday

They're bigots today, and they're gonna be bigots tomorrow.
By becoming overly and overtly dependent on Nixon's southern strategy, the republican party is identified with the Klan. They can mask it in religion (burning crosses) till the cows come home, but a bigot by any other name is still a bigot. Little by little they are alienating the rest of the country as they have alienated the rest of the world. But then again a Republican traditional value is slavery. The leadership wants everyone working for crumbs while their cronies, henchmen and contributors walk away with the whole loaf.
By appealing to the worst fears and lowest instincts they have convinced enough working people to vote against their own best interests. They have capitalized on the great dumbing down and seized power by any means necessary.
Their collective lack of morality, integrity, scruples and humanity have given them short lived power, but also marginalized them for the long term.
We in the money earning blue states have been paying for Civil War reconstruction long enough. The disparity between what blue states pay in taxes and what red states reap in benefits needs to come to an end.
We now have a brain damaged illiterate leaning on the levers of power to the detriment of the majority.
How many millions descending on Washington will it take to set this country back on course?

[SquireJons]

91. With a nic like Wizard, who am I to argue? ;-) n/t

[Hawaii Hiker]

55. Good post SquireJons

When you take a look at some senators like Sam Brownback, Tom Coburn, Jim Imhofe, etc. I wonder how such backwards ass bigots like these people get elected.....I think to win states like Kansas, Oklahoma, etc. all one has to do is be a preacher, be anti-abortion, pro-censorship, pro-gun etc. & you win.....The clowns who live in the aforementioned states (& others) vote straight Republican tickets all the time, regardless of the candiates....

I do think the Democrats should forget about the south....Hell, if Gore would have won New Hampshire, he'd have won...If Kerry could have taken Ohio, he'd have won......The states the Dems should focus on are Ohio, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Iowa, Colorado, Arizona, Nevada....Las Vegas is one of fasting growing cities in the nation & most moving there are NOT the uptight conservative types!...I also agree that Dems can pick up Florida & Virginia to..From what I've read, Northern Virginia is a rather strong Democratic area & was the area that mostly contributed to Jim Webb's senate victory....But other than those 2 states, focus on the ones I mentioned, & of course, they're are plenty of SOLID Democratic states like CA, HI, NY, MA, NJ, IL, PA, etc. that will stay blue for some time to come....

[Neecy]

62. um.....

I think to win states like Kansas, Oklahoma, etc. all one has to do is be a preacher, be anti-abortion, pro-censorship, pro-gun etc. & you win

The governor of Kansas is a Democratic woman who's pro-choice. She's also vetoed conceal and carry legislation so she's not pro-gun and she certainly isn't pro-censorship. Two of three Congressional seats in Kansas are held by Democrats. Be careful who you accuse of being 'clowns' without knowing the facts.

[Hawaii Hiker]

66. Ok, ok, I was wrong

to generalize all those as living in the aforementioned states as clowns, I just get angered by the religious right, their leadership, & what they've done to this country, and the senators I listed in last post are as far-right as they come & the states they represent are, for the MOST part, as far-right as they come...

I knew Kansas had a Democratic governor, but I didn't know she was socially liberal, that's a pleasant surprise...

[Neecy]

74. forgiven

I fly into white-hot rages over what the religious right has done to our country, so I understand the anger. And I'll grant you that the two Kansas senators are about as RW and nutty as they come, but in the case of Brownback he only received token opposition in his last election and isn't a reflection of the entire state. He's an embarrassment to many of us.

[Hawaii Hiker]

75. Sam Brownback:

I heard he wasn't going to run for another senate term in 2010....Of course, he is running (Yikes!) for president.....I don't think his presidental run will go anywhere, as aside from far-right religious groups, I can't imagine him getting support from anyone else....There should be a TON of his personal quotes & sound clips (that Moveon.Org & other groups would use in ads IF his candiacy looks like its going anywhere) that would make George Allen look like a San Francisco liberal, LOL!......

[SquireJons]

92. Not me

I didn't even know that they had a democratic govenor. So, what is wrong with Kansas then?

[Yavin4]

58. The South Is Changing

There are more and more new immigrant groups moving into the South, lessening the impact of historical White biggotry. Case in point, look at Virginia. The northern part is cosmopolitan because of the large number of world class universities in colleges in Northern Va. These educational institutions attract people from all over the world. Thus, Allen's "maccaca" slur resonated with them. In fact that slur was directed to a University Va. student who was second generation Indian.

White biggots all over America are quickly becoming the minority.

[IWantAChange]

61. SquireJons u r spot on - Kevin Phillips 'American Theocracy' is another great reference

Small wonder the rest of the world looks at us and shakes their collective heads.

[SIMPLYB1980]

64. You shouldn't lump all of us together.

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/members/memberList.pl?sChamber=House
http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/members/memberList.pl?sChamber=Senate

68 D's 52 R's in the NC house.
31 D's 19 R's in the NC senate.

I understand your thoughts on the South, and where they come from. But you might want to rethink your position. Racism is not restricted to the South. I affects every part of the country. Bash the south all you want, but we are no more racist than people in NY or CA. That said, don't abandon the south to the neo-cons. It may look like they have a strangle hold, but trust me it is slipping. Lots of Iraqi vets are from NC. Fort Bragg is just down the road. Military families are pissed. My cousin is on his 3rd deployment. I couldn't make it to the DC rally but me and a few thousand more marched in Charlotte. Dem's in the south need your help and support. Not your labeling us all as racists.

[TygrBright]

68. If only Dixie had a lock on silent bigotry...

...but it doesn't. That particular toxic virus infests our entire nation, no exceptions. Maybe it's endemic to the human condition.

That said, parts of the country do have it worse than other parts, and they're not all below the Mason-Dixon line. And the slow influx of people from areas where bigotry is a purely personal disease rather than a public institution (however officially discredited) to the South is doing much to change parts of old Dixie.

Until we are all honest enough to say "Damn, I can't help it, I really have a hard time trusting/liking/acknowledging the humanity of/conceding the fundamental equality of people who are so damn' different from me, THEREFORE I need to actively do things to ensure that my attitude doesn't leak into how the world works, and try to change that attitude every chance I get," we will live with institutionalized (however inconspicuously) bigotry. That's no reason to write off the South. I know a lot of Southern folks who have seriously and intentionally done more to ensure that the baser side of their human nature doesn't affect their "different" neighbors than most complacent, self-congratulating northerners.

The GOP is doing its damndest to self-destruct at the moment, which (while certainly a Very Good Thing for our polity) is no justification for complacency or self-congratulation among a Party that is notorious for our own circular firing squads and mixed messeges. We've been given a tremendous opportunity. If we piss it away on an ideological bunfight, we're no better than those we scorn.

worriedly,
Bright

[SIMPLYB1980]

78. You might want to take a look at this to.

http://indyweek.com/slideshows/antiwar/

[flying_wahini]

79. I Loved that video, wish I had been there,

nice to know that there were a "few" that coulc make it.....
yipee

[Catherine Vincent]

82. That's a great post!

But it is also depressing. :(

[Dracos]

56. Oh hell yes

I live in a BLUE county in a very red Ky,and even most Dems are still very Conservative on a lot of issues.

[Zambero]

97. Mormons? Well that places my state of Idaho onto the GOP's scrap heap

There are actually a few Mormon Democrats here, about 10-15%. The rest are rubber-stamp GOP and comprise about a fourth of the electorate. The thought of Rep.(=Reprehensible) Bill Sali (R-Idiot) hanging on to his seat in Congress for any indefinite period is mighty depressing!

[aquart]

3. Be generous. Pass the ketchup.

It's a nutritious vegetable.

[Canuckistanian]

12. More like watching vultures devour their own

It may be fine to watch from a distance, but up close, it's sickening.

[patrice]

5. Problem is . . .

When something happens on U.S. soil, and It WILL eventually, they'll say "See what you did? Being against the War and the Surge caused this to happen." And many people are too ignorant to think for themselves, so they'll believe them and the pendelum will swing again in the opposite direction.

[BobF]

86. I Don't Think So...

The Murican People cut a deal with the Chimp...we give you our Constitutional Rights, and you keep us safe.

It was a stupid and dangerous deal, but Fear Ruled the Day, and Dubya was given tacit permission to sneak, spy, and track Americans.

If it turns out that all of this power was given to him, and the Terra-ists still are able to strike inside of this coutnry, then the People are going to want a "refund"...payable in Chimp Hide.

We get hit, he'll be lucky to get 20% Approval.

[donco6]

6. What's good for the goose . . .

They've painted themselves in a corner here. If a Dem doesn't support the president, they say he/she's "emboldening the terrorists". They have to say the same when it's one of their own, now, don't they?

[ClintonTyree]

7. The head of the snake eating it's tail...

their hate is all consuming. Fuck 'em, who needs 'em. :puke:

[proud patriot]

8. Poetic Extinction

POETIC EXTINCTION...desperate grasping , barely holding/unexplained convulsions of logic/Lashing out fierce screams of blame/thinking of survival Wailing Flailing/lying dealing death to survive/Screams , Pain , hate, agony , fear oh yes FEAR/Eating one's own, you know that kind of Fear The fear of nightmares/Camouflage it , hide behind it , meta morph it/puffing plumage raising hackles loudly barking changing colors/altering strategies smokescreens of stench/hungry predators, following the trail , searching/weakened hiding running Scared/hoping hoping predators circling/focused dedicated hungry/backed into a corner/Cowering Sniveling Crying ,THE EXTINCTION OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY: by Proud Patriot

[Mz Pip]

15. Good one.

It's fun watching them buy into their own spin. :hi:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[struggle4progress]

44. Don't just stand an watch. While they're fightin, we oughta steal their pants.

[barbtries]

52. i like that.

for some reason it reminded me of dabney coleman in '9 to 5' being hunted like a wild animal, through the office bldg

[Stinky The Clown]

9. This is better than the Super Bowl, the Stanley Cup, and the World Series ......

:beer: :popcorn: :rofl:

[Botany]

10. Going after Warner is par for these bastards .... they have no shame

John Kerry had 3 purple hearts, a bronze star, and a silver star and "they"
went after him as a coward who shot a little boy in the back and caused
his own wounds.

[muntrv]

11. The GOP created their own monster. What else would you expect?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[pwb]

13. the media emboldens the neocons

more and more every day, they love this war.

[AlCzervik]

16. Nice to see the republicans getting treated like democrats.

boofuckinghoo boys, sucks to be called a troop hater doesn't it?

[democrank]

17. Listening to Tony Snow

is like listening to a snake oil salesman after it is proven his magic elixir is a sham.

[Cass]

18. They deserve every bit of agiata they get. After what they've put this country

and the world through they deserve every bit of angst coming their way (and them some).

The republican party runs nasty, filthy campaigns and thinks nothing of smearing and viciously attacking decorated war veterans on top of it all. I am still spitting nails over what they did to Kerry and Cleland and even McCain (too bad he sold out but that's another story). Remember those purple bandaids at their convention? I about popped a vein when I saw that. They even tried to swiftboat Murtha. Oh God, they are slimeballs. I would be so incredibly embarassed to admit being a member of that party. The SOBs deserve to go down in flames.

And you just wait to see what these jerks have in store for Hillary or Obama if either one gets the nomination. Lies lies and more lies.

[Pierzin]

19. Let them all burn!!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

20. I've been under a rock. WHAT exactly did Warner say? -nt

[Canuckistanian]

22. This thread may enlighten you....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3069763

[HappyWeasel]

23. hes dissenting about the war. He is being "reeducated" as we speak.

Now it appears that the swiftboat has come back. One can't honestly think they could do this forever, right?

[Imagevision]

24. The Bonus is the GOP is sure to lose at least a few more seats in the senate in 08

[ChairmanAgnostic]

54. 10 more seats would be good. 12 would be better.

[ginnyinWI]

25. crash and burn. n/t

[mzmolly]

26. It's been very interesting to watch the awakening of Mr. Scarborough.

He has really evolved over the past year.

Even if you agree with me that this war was worth fighting as long as we believed Saddam Hussein had WMD’s aimed at America, at some point you have to face the facts: the Bush administration was wrong about those weapons, wrong about the nuclear program, wrong about their refusal to quell rioting early, wrong about Bremer’s gutting of the Iraqi army and police force, wrong about refusing to kill or capture al Sadr in 2003, wrong to tell the generals not speak of the coming insurgency, wrong to stubbornly refuse to give generals the troops they needed to win this war, wrong to make the “Mission Accomplished” declaration, wrong for the VP to claim that the insurgency was in its death throes and wrong to push a surge plan that the president’s top generals opposed.

The list could continue for pages but I will be generous to the White House and leave it at that.

[SquireJons]

34. Best use of "wrong" I've seen in a while

I really can't stand too much of Scarborough, but I do enjoy it when he tee's off on the war. As usual, he uses a sledge hammer to work on a pocket watch, but in this case it's justified.

One thing stands out about his most recent article.

"Conservatives had better wake up before all the gains made by Ronald Reagan and the 1994 Revolution are lost. The clock is ticking."

I've been saying this since the Fall elections. The Dems are poised to roll back Reaganism and the sick fascination the country has had with conservatives since 1980. Another opportunity like this will not come along for at least a generation. I hope that the Democratic politicians are putting the party and their country before their personal ambitions.

But I doubt it. Even if Hillary's negative numbers reach shrubs, she wont give up on her quest for the White House. At least Gore and Kerry have the sense to bring in fresh troops for this gigantic battle. But not Hillary, she's on a mission to be the first black head coach to win the super bowl, or something like that. It's sad.

We are soooooo close to achieving the Holy Grail of American politics; a solid, working political majority. Forget everything else, and go for that prize.

[KenHodson]

88. funny... yep, I read it correct... funny...

[AX10]

27. Good! The less GOP, the better!

The Republican party has severely harmed this nation for a Generation, if not more.

[MasonJar]

28. John Warner should have done a lot more a lot sooner, but at

least he has some sense, which is definitely more than ONE CAN SAY ABOUT THE REST OF THE PUGS.

[kineneb]

29. visualize circular firing squad

ready, aim, splat.

Or would this come under the Molly Ivins heading of "gang pluck"?

[Grandrose]

30. Bring it on.

:woohoo: :applause: The sooner..the better!

:dem:

[bumblebee1]

31. Republicans eating their own?

WOW!!! They'll never go hungry again. Tell me something? Are Republicans high in cholesterol and saturated fats? What about trans fats? How are the Republicans cooked- rare or well done? Does ketchup or mayonnaise taste good with Republicans? Just asking.

[K8-EEE]

32. Uh, PSsst, Joe They Said That I Was Aiding The Terrorists Too

All of us here at DU actually have had the same accusation....with us or against us? Other terr'rist supporters include John Kerry, the entire Democratic party, any newspaper that calls a quagmire a quagmire, Michael Moore, Dixie Chicks, Joe Wilson, anybody who voted Dem....and if the Dems won in Nov. the terr'rists would win and on and on and on.

But when it's John Warner, oh wow, THAT'S a problem.

LABELING DISSENT AS TREASON IS A FASCIST TECHNIQUE...WHETHER THE VICTIM IS GOP OR NOT!

[usregimechange]

33. I am cheering for Joe, who would have guessed it?

[MGD]

35. The GOP was gloating at the "demise" of the Democratic party in 2000 and 2004.

I wouldn't stick a fork in the Republican party just yet.

[cboy4]

36. No, no. Get the wording correct Joe. Not "helping terrorists," it's

"emboldening the terrorists."

If you're going to criticize the party, you should recite its sneaky language also.

You know, like "cut and run," and "stay the course."

[liberalla]

40. Demise away!

also from the article:

"Didn’t Dick Cheney just cite Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment about Republicans not attacking one another?

My how things have changed in a few days.

It’s one more reason I have grown increasingly distraught over the GOP’s direction in recent months.
The president is prepared to take his administration and his party over the cliff to prove that
he was right about Iraq — even if most of his generals and the majority of Americans disagree."

So Joe. You just worried about the GOP party?
Hell, he's taking the whole country over the cliff!

[Skittles]

41. f*** off, Joe

you bastards have treated us Democrats as terrorist-appeasers for years. How does it feel?

[ninkasi]

67. He still shows his true colors here

Joe just couldn't resist the temptation, though, to reinforce his party's belief that it's Republics who are the patriotic ones when he wrote

"At some point, GOP senators and congressmen need to understand that this war is no longer a battle between Republican war heroes and Democratic 60s hippie freaks. The lines have now been blurred by Bush’s bungling war strategy. Now we find ourselves in a fight between war heroes and war heroes. Former secretaries of Navy and former Vietnam POWs. Conservative Republicans and protectors of the president."

Republican war heroes and Democratic 60s hippie freaks? Like John Kerry, or John Murtha, hippie freaks like that? And Republican war heroes like 5 deferment Dick, and AWOL George, and that pimple on the ass of the country, Rush Limbaugh? It seems that even when he points out the arrogance of Bush, he still can't help reverting to type, and painting Democrats as sissies and hippie freaks.

Other than that, he made some good points.

[Danger Mouse]

43. Heh, more of the same crap, now it's just directed at a Republican

classy. sooo classy.

[against all enemies]

45. Poor Joe, sad the Nazi's can't stay together.

[iamjoy]

46. Don't You Mean "Turn For the Better"

I'm just saying...

[Thor_MN]

49. Joe, Club it over the head with a blunt object and claim the injury happened as it fell

[ClassWarrior]

59. Best response ever.

NGU.

[TygrBright]

70. DUzy Alert!!! bwahahahahahahahahah.... n/t

[D23MIURG23]

50. Karma can be a real bitch.

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[PegDAC]

81. Restitution

is a maternal fornicator.

[av8rdave]

53. I love his comment about "Republican war heros and Democratic 60s hippie freaks."

Like there are so many Republican war heroes. The only thing about war most Republicans are good at is sending others' children to fight in wars. So many of them lacked the courage to serve when it was their turn.

This guy is totally detached from reality.

[silvermachine]

65. No big fan of Joe here...

...believe me, but I think what he was referring to when he said that, was that the attitude of most of the GOP reflected that viewpoint, not that it was his. He seemed to be saying that if the GOP thinks the debate about this illegal war is all about "Republican war heros and Democratic 60s hippie freaks", then they are wrong. He recognizes that being anti-war is a mainstream, majority held view in this country and if the RW continues to try to paint it as a fringe movement comprised of a million Jane Fondas and Abbie Hoffmans, then they are in deep, deep, denial.
As I said, I'm no fan of Joe but he is miles better than a total jerk like Tucker Carlson who I really cannot stand. I recall Joe having Barbara Boxer on more than once about a year ago, discussing oil price gouging in California. He was very supportive of Boxer telling her that he thought she was doing a great job and encouraging her to continue to press her case, and he was just scathing regarding he oil industry. I was really surprised.

[av8rdave]

72. If that was the point he was trying to make, then I missed it...thanks for the perspective

[singingbiscuit]

69. This is what I sent the author just now.

Re: "At some point, GOP senators and congressmen need to understand that this war is no longer a battle between Republican war heroes and Democratic 60s hippie freaks."

It never was. This war was foisted on the American public by chicken hawks (who never saw war first-hand - hardly "heroes"), and the people who stood up to say WHAT!? included young people, war veterans (who would kick your ass if you called them "hippies"), librarians, schoolteachers, parents, grandparents, and other people who would not fit your description.

The main distinction you can draw between these camps is that one is willing to send the other's children into battle.

Thank you.
Carrie Hamby

[Peanutcat]

57. PAYBACK!

Sweet, sweet, payback. And the true glory is that they are doing it to themselves!

[IWantAChange]

60. The 'ticking' Joe refers to is a timebomb set to detonate in '08.

It will be hard work but the Democratic Party has a chance to repair all the damage these yahoos have done to the country if the American public can stop watching Idol long enough to pay a little attention to what is going on.

[Floyd53]

63. I guess the honors can go to anyone these days

When I first started my Bush bashing over seven years ago, on the Yahoo boards and the NYT abuzz, I was called a moron, an idiot and a terrorist sympathizer so many times it started to make sense. I was also outnumbered a hundred to one on the boards. Everyone loved Bush it seemed, and I was the target of their torrential vehemence, sometimes raining down like Niagara Falls. There were a few others out there with me in this storm and we clung to each other like survivors of a ship wreck. It occurred to me that being called moron, idiot, terrorist sympathizer, was taking on the distinction of honor. The more I was ridiculed as being a traitor or sub-human, the harder I struck back. They knew when I showed up the party was over. That was the bad old days and now this is the good new days, when conservatives bash one another and share in the honors.

[wryter2000]

71. "A war that has cost over 3000 lives"?

I guess Iraqis aren't human. :mad:

[strategery blunder]

76. Of course they're not.

The military doesn't bother to count them...therefore they do not exist. :grr:

[KansDem]

73. "name calling"

The White House even got involved in the name calling when Tony Snow suggested Warner’s actions could embolden the likes of Osama Bin Laden.

This is how the GOP operates. With name calling we get distorted perceptions, and with distorted perceptions, we get a nation of hate and intolerance. And hate and intolerance do not make for a compromise-based democracy. In fact, they don't make for any kind of democracy! And this brings us back around to "name calling."

[theaudacity]

77. It makes me so happy to see this happening so quickly

I think it took democrats until at least late 1995 to fall apart to infighting and futility. I am happy to see the GOP getting down to business 1 month after inauguration.

[NegSpin]

80. Republicans

If I could personally flush the toilet and watch the Republicans go down the drain, heh heh, stand back.

[Felix Mala]

85. A cancer continues to grow on the Republican party...

[whistle]

87. The GOP has been really bad, now they have taken a turn for the worse...

....just how much worse than fascism can it get? I suppose an imperial theocratic monarchy with the Bush family in place as a dynasty, that would suck!

[Zambero]

96. Their too much stupid and delusional to heed any warning

It comes from believing in their own ideology, regardless of how discredited it might be.

Now, to the cliff! (Just don't take anyone else with you).