Anyone know how Fox viewers feel about Wes Clark?

[Auntie Bush]

Do they dislike him for standing up to the administration or do they respect him for enlightening them and telling the truth? Do you think they now admire him and would vote for him if/when he runs? Anyone ever heard what the Freepers have to say? :shrug:

[sellitman]

1. I would like to know if he is entering the race.

If he is I hope he doesn't wait to long like last time.

[Crunchy Frog]

2. I had a wingnut encounter a couple of weeks ago.

A guy who was "interested" in me. He went into a RW tirade when I told him I was a liberal. :rofl:

I did get in a couple of words edgewise, and mentioned both Wes Clark and Jim Webb. He didn't sound too negative about Wes, but did launch into a tirade about Clinton's bombing campaign and his being a "criminal". He was also quite positive about Webb, although disapproving of the way Webb "disrespected" Bush when he asked about his son, cause "the president is like our king, and yer s'posed to respect him".

Actually, I think people like him are pretty much hopeless, but I've been dying to tell the story, and this seemed like a good opportunity.:D

[Kixel]

14. So...

Where are you going on your first date?

[Crunchy Frog]

30. I guess I could invite him to an anti-war demonstration. :)

I think he's probably decided that I'm a lost cause. You should have heard the shock and horror in his voice when he said "you mean...you're a liberal?". :rofl:

[Kixel]

46. Been there, done that...

For some reason, I tend to attract Republicans? There should be a DU support group for that!

[Cocoa]

3. here's video of him interacting with a couple of viewers

I bet he changes a lot of minds...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=N79-4cyqfl0

[FrenchieCat]

5. Sounds like it! The woman who disagree with the General and agreed with Newsreader......

Now that was something! Guess she's won a war or two or something! LOL!

[CarolNYC]

8. Cocoa, you angel....

I was looking for this when I was putting together my Wes Clark on Iran thread but I didn't find it. I don't know if I just missed it or if there is no transcript but I felt sure I remembered a Dayside appearance where he had this exchange about Iran with an audience memeber. I've got to go try to find the transcript. That thread needs to be updated anyway.

Thanks much!!!

[Texas_Kat]

12. Actually he's said people stop him in the airport all the time

and talk to him about seeing him on Fox.

Wht's really funny is that even Bill O'Reilly has stopped arguing with him. Never thought I'd see that.

[CTyankee]

4. My auto mechanic likes Clark. He is a veteran so he connects with Clark.

I think Clark was a genius for going onto Fox. He exudes the air of authenticity. And the people love him.

My auto mechanic loves Clark, thinks he is just one of the guys, which is fine. He is.

I'll see the auto guy soon for my next oil change. I'll report what "auto guy" has to say about the latest in presidential politics!

[Adelante]

10. Is that auto mechanic in Connecticut?

:)

[CTyankee]

22. Yep, right here in New Haven. He had some strange ideas about Kerry

but put him straight. I tell him to stop watching Fox because all he gets are lies (cept for Clark of course). He hears an earful from me!

[Adelante]

24. Thanks

I like to know where these Clarks fans are popping up :)

[CTyankee]

36. I get the sense that Clark may have a real shot if people would just believe.

I am chagrined that that hasn't happened big time for him. I really like Clark, but I am seeing now that the Dem money follows almost a "rock star" kind of mentality for its candidates. The whole Bill Clinton thing has just taken hold and people are thinking that has to be IT!

It is too bad. If Wes Clark had been president we never would have been in this war and he would have beenjust fine on domestic issues. Another missed opportunity IMHO. And it REALLY counted!

[Jai4WKC08]

50. Dem money follows winning

Clark just has to have enough money to go full-court into Iowa, Nevada and NH. If he wins in one or two of those, and finishes strong in the other(s), the money will start pouring in.

Remember how Kerry was so broke, he had to take out a loan on his home? After Iowa, he never had another money worry.

I also don't think Clark needs all that much money in those states. Or rather, he doesn't as much money as Clinton or Obama. Think about how much money Dean went thru in Iowa last time. If was a helluva lot more than the others had to spend. But it didn't do him much good, did it?

[CTyankee]

51. That's encouraging. I'm rooting for him cuz he's good.

I still don't think it's over and all we have left is Obama or Hillary.

Lots of time before this thing gets settled. Who knows what can happen? I just hope we don't wind up with a northeastern liberal at the head of the ticket again. I like John Kerry very much but we should have seen it coming. Why should we hand the pubs a tried and true "hated northeastern liberal" that they smear with their usual smears? They can't do it so easily with a guy like Clark, altho they will try. If we get a midwestern or mountain western running mate on the ticket, we decrease the chances that the other side will be able to mount a successful smear.

[jcrew2001]

6. Clark

I think clark has a lot of appeal as a general. Not very many generals seek public office. I also found out that Clark is half jewish, i don't think conservatives from the south would support him, look at what happened to Allen when people found out about his mom.

[FrenchieCat]

7. That's what you think......

So I guess you don't think that Obama, Clinton and Richardson have a chance either, right? Which leaves only John no-foreign-policy-experience "I was Wrong" Edwards...right? So you think the south is gonna vote for a lightweight on National Security while we're at war? Don't think so. So I guess they'll be voting for the "R" ticket......so at the end it doesn't matter if Clark's father was Jewish, does it.

Plus, Allen didn't get re-elected because his mother was Jewish. He was not re-elected because he was a racist asshole wrong on the war.......

[Adelante]

9. Don't hold back

:rofl:

[Texas_Kat]

13. Naw, that's not really an issue in the South

Clark has more trouble with n'eastern libruls not being able to see past the uniform.

Sort of unexpected bigotry, that....

[Apollo11]

20. Clark presents himself as a soldier

He stood up in front of the DNC last Friday and said "I am a soldier". What happened to the idea of having a civilian President?

He went on to quote some militaristic jingoism from General MacArthur about how glorious it is to fight and die for Uncle Sam.

However - I will admit that Clark has a good chance of reaching the voters that other Democrats cannot.

[knight_of_the_star]

35. Which military jingoism?

What exactly did he say that came across as such? That and it's not like having a general as president is unprecedented, just look at our first president for a good example of that. Personally I think ANYONE serving in the WH should have served under fire in the military so they really know what war is about.

That and making an issue about him raising his background I think is a little disingenuous, it IS what he did for most of his adult life, it would be like Edwards presenting himself as an advocate for the people because, well, he WAS a trial lawyer for most of his professional life too.

[snowbear]

15. jcrew, the perpetual Clark basher...

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You are so full of it, you phony balogne...

[jcrew2001]

25. not

i'm not lying, clark's father was jewish. Although he is not, our mid-east policy revolves around our support for Israel, and this is the cause of the conflict with extremists.

[NCarolinawoman]

26. And Clark's Mom was a Christian from Little Rock.

As were his grandparents who helped raise him while his Mom went to work.

Clark's Dad died when Clark was 4 years old, and he didn't learn of his Jewish heritage until he was a young adult. Unlike Senator Macacca, he embraced his paternal Jewish heritage. He said it made him "proud". He is still a practicing Christian and discusses his faith with ease.

As a side-note, he has a street named after him in Kosovo. Having saved so many Muslim lives in that area, he is beloved and respected by many in the Middle East; and these Muslims have NO problem with the fact that his Dad was Jewish.

[Jai4WKC08]

27. Who said you were lying?

You act like it was some kind of secret that Clark's dad was a Jew.

Clark has always been open about his roots. His father's family played a big part in his last campaign.

It's nothing like George "Macaca" Allen, who at first claimed he didn't know, then it was found out that he had. All this on top of his rather obvious lies about what he meant by macaca and the stories from his college years of terrorizing black people.

If you want to argue Clark might be less electable because of anti-Semitism voters, there might be some cause for concern. I certainly never felt Russ Feingold had a chance, good man that he is.

But you're not doing that. You're saying people would be right to vote against Clark because of his father being a Jew, that he would be less effective in office for it. That's not only bigoted, it's absurd. In other words, about what I've come to expect from Edwards fans.

[jcrew2001]

29. lieberman

I think lieberman would also have difficulty getting elected as president due to anti-semitism among other things. I don't know Clark's position on Israel, but if the US if better off changing its policy on Israel that might be needed, Israel or mid-east oil, thats a tough decision.

I think many voters especially in the conservative south want to vote for someone who is similar to them. Allen had a lot of problems, but I'm sure it helped Webb a lot that he stressed he was a Scots-Irish from rural virginia. His margin of victory was very slim.

I think richardson will also have a difficult time both getting elected president or VP because of his hispanic roots, many white voters who are anti-illegal immigration would be hesitant to support him.

Although Jeb Bush has a hispanic wife, i think a lot of republicans outside of florida don't realize it.

[Auntie Bush]

37. As long as your pointing out how bigoted people are.... you failed to

mention that Southerner's might not vote for Obama because he's black.
Do you consider yourself a bigot? You don't sound like a Democrat.

By the way...The majority of the people did vote for Lieberman even though he is a practicing Jew...so that disproves your theory.

[jcrew2001]

39. skeptic

I'm just very skeptical that any minority can become president. I think that it will be more likely a woman will be president, particularly if she plays conservative, to win over the white males. Hillary has to be perceived as a strong/tough leader in order to have any shot at the primary or the general. AGainst McCain she'll play up having a smarter plan for foreign policy. Her biggest "VP" is Bill, she will not be perceived as strong without him. Bill will be her "dick cheney".

I think a lot of people supported Bush in 2000 because they believed in Team Bush - Bush/Cheney. The Kerry/Edwards team wasn't seen as strong enough.

Now Team Clinton will have a chance to beat everyone.

I think Barry has a real edge at being Bi-racial. He's both white and black, so that he won't be perceived just as them, but one of us, so that could help convince white males to vote for him. He'll have a better chance at winning the white voters than Sharpton.

Barry's childhood is also unique not just because he traveled a lot, but because he grew up in his mom's white household, which is vastly different than a poor urban setting that affects the personality and perspectives of urban african-americans.

I personally am against the Iraq war and I see the US invasion as an intrusian on the mid-east people. I view that the US is making things worse by antagonizing the mid-easterners. However, I've also begun to view the Israeli conflict as a serious issue facing long-term mid-east stability. I never thought about it in past because I didn't care, but now I see that the terrorists are driven by hate against the US/Israel relationship.

[jenmito]

56. Isn't Russ Feingold Jewish?

Yet wasn't he against the Iraq invasion?

[Crunchy Frog]

31. Looks more like a Jew basher to me.

The day that I rule out supporting a candidate because of his or her ethnic background is the day that I simply give up on voting period.

[jcrew2001]

55. maybe

that's good, but i think many americans, esp in the south might not be open-minded to supporting say a chinese-american, or muslim-american, or iranian-american for president.

Even a mexican-american would have difficulty. I think Richardson is half-mexican. He's doesn't have a mexican last name.

[skipos]

23. Clark could do well in MO, AR, VA. Most of our candidates

are going to have a very hard time winning TN, NC and any state that went for George Wallace. Even Edwards wouldn't win NC, imo.

[Clark2008]

49. Actually, Clark's quite popular in Tennessee.

Tennessee is a purple state - I wouldn't lump it in with the deep South. We have a Dem governor, a Dem state congress and half our US congressmen and women are Dems.

Clark's popular here for the same reason he'd be popular in any Southern/mid-Western state: he's seen as a manly man, a general, a populist, he did "real men's work" and all those other cliches. What's funny is that he doesn't really put himself out there as a "man's man," it just sort of came with the 34 years military experience. LOL.

[jcrew2001]

54. gore

I wonder why Gore lost Tenn

[BootinUp]

34. Interesting how you assess the Allen Web race.

Are you sure you're at the right place?

[jcrew2001]

53. webb

I think many voters especially in the conservative south want to vote for someone who is similar to them. That's why they will never vote for a northern yankee.

Allen had a lot of problems, but I'm sure it helped Webb a lot that he stressed he was a Scots-Irish from rural virginia. His margin of victory was very slim.

[sandnsea]

11. Unfit for Command

Some ramblings about Waco and Posse Comitatus. :crazy:

[Auntie Bush]

16. You need to go back to your books and do some research.

I would think by your age you'd have some critical analysis skills.
Get out the knives and sharpen up!

[CarolNYC]

17. I think she's saying....

that that''s what the freepers are saying....

[FrenchieCat]

18. Auntie Bush is in fighting spirits! LOL!

I don't think that's what was meant.

The Freepers like to associate Clark with WACO....but it has already been given sufficient ink, and there was no there there.
http://www.rapidfire-silverbullets.com/2006/12/clark_and_waco_theres_was_and.html

:)

[Crunchy Frog]

32. I think that post was intended as a satire

of what some of the more loonie posters would come out with. We could throw in the Haitian man titties for good measure. :D

[Auntie Bush]

19. Sorry about that! I misunderstood you. Standing in the corner.

:blush: :dunce: :hug:

[Jai4WKC08]

21. Depends which Fox viewers you're talking about

If you mean the rabid wingnuts who hang on every word from the Beltway Boys and Ollie North (which is probably who most DUers think of when they think "Fox viewers"), I'm sure those folks can't stand him.

But most (over half) of Fox viewers aren't like that. Almost a quarter are Democrats. Many are just working people who are stuck watching Fox in their place of work. And I would imagine a lot are independents or moderate Republicans -- the ones who turned away from GOP candidates in 2006. I suspect they like Clark just fine, or are at least willing to listen to what he has to say.

[NCarolinawoman]

28. Yes, there are many kinds of Fox viewers.

My college roommate who lives in Ohio never heard of Clark before and perceives of him now as a "wise and distinguished" gentleman. She learned about him through Fox news.

The other Faux viewers that I am aware of live in Eastern NC and in South Carolina. They are my relatives. They respect the military and they respect Clark--they knew nothing about him before he appeared on Fox.

The ironical thing is that my Aunt, who voted for Bush and now calls him a "Bozo", now watches Keith Olberman. I think she can be counted as one of the many ones who turned away from O'Reilly. Remember how his ratings went down? She has a very high regard for Wes Clark, but never would have known about him if she hadn't been watching Fox News. She says the Iraq War was a "blunder"....so she was one of the ones that Clark reached out to, and it worked!

I guess we will really never know whom he "got to" before the '06 election. Our Democratic Legislature here in NC increased its majority. :)

[Crunchy Frog]

33. At the community college I was attending in Colorado

there was a large dining/study area that had two TVs running at opposite ends of the room, and usually both of them were tuned into FOX. This was in the Front Range area between Denver and Boulder, which is heavily Democratic. Most of the folks sitting in that room watching FOX didn't have a choice, and I would guess that there were more Democrats than Repubs.

I always wanted to go and complain to the management about it, but maybe it's better that I didn't, since maybe some of those people got to see Wes, who otherwise wouldn't have.

[Divine Discontent]

38. you can't turn tv's to a diff channel at a COMMUNITY college?

I thought being it was your "own" college that since there were two TV's one could be changed. I know at my bro's doc's office, the lady went BALLISTIC when I, as the only person waiting, turned the TV to MSNBC... I told her, what is your problem? She said, we are ordered they have to stay on Fox by the management of the physicians' group.. I feel so SORRY for her being such a coward to have a fit about me turning it when I'm the only one there, that she'd feel she'd lose her job because I turned the channel, for mercy sakes!



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[Crunchy Frog]

43. You couldn't even reach them.

They were suspended from a very high ceiling in a REALLY big room. Believe me, if I could have just walked over and turned the channel, I certainly would have.

[Divine Discontent]

47. lol... "I certainly would have" ok. :) n/t

[Apollo11]

52. Big Brother is watching you

They will not rest until everyone is watching FOX NEWS 24-7.

Just as George Orwell predicted in 1948 (in his book "1984").

[TankLV]

40. Does anybody care? I certainly don't...

[FrenchieCat]

41. yes,,,,some folks care,

and the ones that don't.....go on their merry way! See Ya!

[Tom Rinaldo]

44. You're damn right I care

Clark is among the reasons why Democrats took back Congress in 2006 by flipping Republican districts Democratic. He has been talking to Replublican leaning swing voters on FOX every week for two years about how fucked the Bush Administration foreign policy is. If Clark is our nominee in 2008 he has already introduced himself with a positive image to many independent and soft Republican voters, which makes it harder for the GOP to suddenly paint Clark as an out of touch Liberal to those voters. If we want large majorities in Congress to work with a Democratic Congress after the 2008 elections, we will need big victories up and down the ticket in those elections. If Wes Clark is connecting with FOX viewers already, that puts him well on his way toward pulling that off for himself and the Democratic Party.

[Auntie Bush]

45. Then why are you bothering to read and post on this thread...if you don't care?

Me thinks you are for another candidate and could be jealous he or she isn't getting the exposure/opportunity that that Clark is getting on Fox and reaching all those Republicans. Sorry if I assumed wrong!

[UnyieldingHierophant]

42. I'm a Fox viewer

at times...he at least has a plan on Iran/Iraq. I'd consider voting for him.

[Clark2008]

48. I, unfortunately, know alot of Faux Noise viewers... and

fortunately, most of them like him... for a Democrat.

:hi: