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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:40 PM
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Daily Howler:IN WHICH IT’S FINALLY REVEALED! Fifteen years of liberal silence is finally explained..


IN WHICH IT’S FINALLY REVEALED! Fifteen years of liberal silence is finally explained by Josh Marshall:

TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 6, 2007

IN WHICH IT’S FINALLY REVEALED: With a thrill, we started reading this post by Josh Marshall http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/012301.php ; we saw it as a (somewhat rare) chance to praise Josh’s work on the press corps. In his post, Josh debunks the latest bogus hit-piece, this one aimed at Nancy Pelosi—and he even names a major press figure who has been promoting this latest fake tale. We haven’t been watching Lou Dobbs ourselves, so we didn’t know that he’d been pimping this story. But Josh was doing superlative work, naming Dobbs and explaining the nature of the press corps’ latest fake tale.

And then, good grief—Josh said what follows. Fifteen years of successful slimings of Major Democrats passed before our eyes:

MARSHALL (2/5/07): Many consider it poor form to point out these small-ante falsehoods. But this is how the Obama-Madrassa story got jazzed all over the place.

Good lord! Good God almighty!! Many consider it poor form to point out these small-ante falsehoods! In a word, that statement is astounding. We stared, gape-mouthed, in surprise.

Many consider it poor form! Good grief—good lord almighty! Endlessly, we’ve been puzzled by the way our “liberal” “leaders” have refused to confront these endless false stories—the endless fake tales which have virtually defined the shape of our modern discourse. Now, a major blogger explains the whole thing. Dear readers! It’s considered poor form!

Good lord! Drink it in! “Poor form!”

So we’ll all understand recent life on the planet, “these small-ante falsehoods” have been the principal language of our political discourse for the past fifteen years. For example, twenty months’ worth of such “small-ante falsehoods” decided the outcome of Campaign 2000; the U.S. army is in Iraq today because of those small-ante falsehoods. (Al Gore said he invented the Internet! And: Naomi Wolf told Al Gore to wear earth tones! And: Al Gore said he inspired Love Story! And: Al Gore wants to eliminate the automobile as we know it!) The RNC has slavishly cultivated such small-ante tales—and yes, the RNC has devoted itself to such tales because they have been so effective. Before Gore, such falsehoods were endlessly aimed at the Clintons, as we’d assumed every liberal must know; just yesterday, for example, a C-SPAN caller said she’d never vote for Hillary Clinton because she’d read Gary Aldrich’s book. (The Clintons’ White House Christmas tree featured obscene Christmas ornaments!) Now, such small-ante tales come at Hillary Clinton, at Obama and Edwards—and yes, at Pelosi. But good God! “This is how the Obama-Madrassa story got jazzed all over the place,” Josh proclaims, as if addressing a race of readers which emerged on the earth in the past several weeks. He writes as if he just awoke from a thorough fifteen-year slumber himself. And he correctly debunks the latest bullshit—even though, as he strangely tells us, doing so is considered “poor form.”

Good God! At this point, who the fuck could believe it’s “poor form” to challenge such falsehoods about major Democrats? To name the journalists who pimp such tales—such familiar political porn? To judge from Josh’s post, the weird belief that this is “poor form” may well explain the groaning passivity of our liberal leaders down through the Clinton-Bush years. In particular, Josh has sat and stared into air while a generation of Major Dems have been savaged and slimed by such tales; we’ve held him in private semi-contempt since the summer of 2002, when it became clear that he understood the facts about Gore and the press corps but still preferred not to state them. (See THE DAILY HOWLER, 8/12/02. Have you heard him say a word about this major part of our recent history from that day right up to this?) But now, five years later, he boldly comes forth, speaking as if this problem has just now emerged. This is how the madrassa story got jazzed, he weirdly explains to his readers. Has any group, anywhere on earth, ever been so willfully clueless?

In 1996, Gene Lyons published Fools for Scandal, the book which began to define a press era. Lyons’ book, and his subsequent book with Joe Conason, was largely ignored by career liberals. (Though not by Bill Clinton. Link below.) But with the appearance of Fools for Scandal, it became clear that something was massively wrong with the way the press corps—people like Dobbs—was now relating to Big Major Democrats. By 1999, the corps had entered a full-scale nervous breakdown (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 1/19/07); twenty months of “small-ante falsehoods” would now be aimed at Candidate Gore, and these tales would send Bush to the White House. (The “swift boat” episode still lay ahead.) And during this entire period, our bold “career liberals” have cowered and quaked, refusing to deal with the long string of falsehoods—the falsehoods which have defined our discourse and changed U.S. and world history. We’re in Iraq because of their silence. This week, false tales RE Pelosi are easily spread because we’ve put up with such tales in the past. People who hear the new tale RE Pelosi have never heard the old tales debunked. Why should they suspect that this tale is false when they’ve seen us accept all the rest?

And now, the bravest of all brave boys tells us why this pattern has obtained. Good God! Just try to believe it! Even today, unnamed people around Josh Marshall persist in thinking that it’s “poor form” to contradict lies against major Democrats! God almighty!! The contempt you should feel for the thought thus expressed should really know few bounds or limits. At THE HOWLER, we’ve puzzled about this matter for years, and finally, a career liberal has told us. In the world of Josh Marshall, unnamed people still weirdly believe that it’s bad form to challenge lies about Democrats. So Josh, dear leader, do tell us more. Just who are these simpering dandies? Tell the truth, Josh—it’s Clemons, isn’t it? It’s Clemons who says it’s “poor form,” old chap, to confront RNC/mainstream press lies.

A single statement finally explains the silence which has defined an era. Over the course of the past fifteen years, the history of the U. S. and the world has been changed by a torrent of “small-ante falsehoods.” Why has it been so easy to pimp these vile lies? We now see: It’s been easy because your career liberal leaders live in a very strange world indeed—an upside-down world where correcting such lies is seen as some sort of “poor form.” Come, come, old chap, they tell one another, sitting in the club’s leather chairs. Let’s not engage in the kind of “poor form” that can ruin a good man’s career!

Why is George W. Bush in the White House? Finally, Josh Marshall tells you.

CLINTON KNEW: Career liberals knew that it was “poor form” to talk about Lyons and Conason’s books. But Bill Clinton knew what these two books had said. To see Clinton cite them in front of the nation’s editors, see THE DAILY HOWLER, 4/18/00. But uh-oh! Around Marshall, people still think it’s “poor form” to do this—to discuss our actual history.
“No one has yet written the full story,” Clinton tartly said to the editors that day. “I can imagine why you wouldn't, particularly given the way a lot of this has been covered.” Ouch! But guess what? The cowards you accept as your liberal leaders have ducked “the full story” of Clinton and Gore right up to the present! They run from these tales like you’d run from the plague. “Small-ante falsehoods” about Pelosi are easily spread for this very reason—because we’ve refused to debunk all the others. The woman who read Gary Aldrich’s book has never heard her country’s real story. She hears the bullshit from people like Aldrich. In response, the people around Marshall take special care to maintain their endless “good form.” Even today, Josh feels forced to say he’s sorry when he confronts press corps lies!

Good God! You live in a madhouse.

Why have these leaders been strangely silent? Finally, at long last, Marshall tells us. There should be few boundaries on the contempt you feel for such wonderful form.

MARSHALL KNEW: Josh understands the history here. Here’s what he told Howard Kurtz, on Reliable Sources, back in 2002:

KURTZ (8/10/02): Josh Marshall, don’t a lot of reporters believe deep down that Gore ran a horrible campaign and doesn’t deserve another shot?
MARSHALL: I think it’s even more than that. I think deep down most reporters just have contempt for Al Gore. I don’t even think it’s dislike. It’s more like a disdain and contempt...

This was, you know, a year and a half before the election, I think you could say this. This wasn’t something that happened because he ran a bad campaign. If he did, it was something that predated it.

Josh was only off by two months. Quite clearly, the press corps’ War Against Gore began full-bore in March 1999, twenty months before the election. Josh has always known about this. Our question, as we asked you above: From that day right up to this, have you ever seen him say a single word about this matter? Today, he acts like the “small-ante falsehoods” got started last month, with the Obama tale. Five years later, he seems to feel he must apologize before taking on press corps lies.

Clinton knew. And Marshall knew. But only one of them spoke.

THE POST’S GOOD FORM: The Post presents the basic facts about Pelosi in a short report today. (By Lois Romano. It’s on page A15 of our hard-copy Post.) We’d like to link you to this report. But old chap, the Post is showing good form! As of 10:30 AM Eastern, Romano’s report is helpfully AWOL from the paper’s web site.

ONE SMALL FALSEHOOD THIS GROUP IGNORED: Here’s another of these “small-ante falsehoods:” Hillary Clinton is a multiple murderer! (See THE DAILY HOWLER, 1/19/07.) When a crackpot was invited on TV to say this, two separate times, your career liberals all just sat around, silent. Speaking up about such small falsehoods was apparently considered “poor form.”

The contempt you should feel for these loathsome posers really should know few limits.


http://dailyhowler.com/dh020607.shtml

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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:45 PM
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1. I love the
Daily Howler. It's all right there for us. He's right, when are we going to put a stop to the crap that passes for journalism?
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:46 PM
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2. Oh, yes... Recommended. n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:50 PM
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3. Do Josh's comments astound anyone here?
I sure don't find them jaw-dropping. Business as usual...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:51 PM
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4. tsk, tsk,. . . How RUDE. .
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 06:58 PM
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5. You know...Josh is a Kid to me...and he's learned and grown and was TRASHED
along with Linda Rozen on trying to EXPOSE THE LIES about NIGER CLAIMS. He had a big report that he thought might "shift the tectonic plates" in DC about the Trail of CIA OPS Involved with Niger Falsification Documents and when Dan Rather went down over Swift Boaters and his staff was fired...Josh and Linda's Investigative Reporting went down with it also. Only ED BRADLEY of 60 Minutes who had done the piece on Josh and Linda's reporting had the guts to release his INVESTIGATIVE REPORT to SALON MAG. so that folks could see it!

I've watched Josh evolve from "fitting in" to trying to go "Outside the Beltway Reporting" and MAKE A DIFFERENCE. If Bob Summersby wants to take "issue" with Josh then he should have done it PRIVATELY!

Josh has Exposed on TPM and TPMuckraker MORE than all of the ARMCHAIR/KEYBOARDERS of "Inside Beltway Journalism" have done since he created his site (outside MSM Reporting) than all of the rest of the crowd that are his own age.

I look on Josh's site as "something evolving" as a person that Josh himself admits was an AIE Supporter to someone who urged throwing "rocks in their windows" as he's seen what Iraq has done...as an INCREDIBLE JOURNEY OF TRANSFORMATION!

Anyone who disses Josh Marshall and those he works with is SHIT! It's the RW THINK TANKS ATTACKING HIM and as much as we all enjoy "the Daily Howler" we don't know WHERE THEY GET THEIR FUNDING ...and WHY we should BELIEVE THEM over JOSH!

Disgusting the lengths that folks will go to ...to protect their TURF and READERSHIP! :puke:
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11cents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 07:09 PM
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6. Really. Whuttadick.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 12:00 AM
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8. You're both right.
Josh parsed his words too finely and Bob went ballistic, understandably.
I like them both most of the time.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:42 PM
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7. Small-ante falsehoods! Small-ante falsehoods?
Those are huge fucking lies that the media fed us, not small-ante falsehoods. My Flying Spaghetti Monster, Somerby knocked this one out of the ballpark. He nailed. Small-ante falsehoods have given us the screwed up world we're coping with today. Small-ante falsehoods have given us over 3100 dead troops in Iraq. Small-ante falsehoods have killed tens of thousands of Iraqis. Small-ante falsehoods gave us Abu Ghraib.

small-ante falsehoods :nuke:
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:19 AM
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9. "When a man lies, he....
murders part of the world."

It is not just a saying, anymore.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:40 AM
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13. I agree Mabus, remember Bush ran on the premise of
"restoring honor and integrity to the White House". The mass corporate media knew this and aided him in any way possible by trashing and slandering the real champion of honor and integrity. They knew if the race was decided on competence or the issues, Al Gore would have won in a land slide. This was the only way they could keep the race close enough for Bush to steal.

Some say the road to hell is paved with good intentions, I believe the road to hell is paved with "small-ante falsehoods" better known as lies and slanders or for the Ten Commandment believers "bearing false witness".
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 08:40 AM
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10. kick
Boy, this puts the source of a lot of exasperation I've felt in context.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:02 AM
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11. 'nuther kick
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:32 AM
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12. THIS is exactly why I'm glad Hillary is raising GOD AWFUL GLOBS of cash!
Swift Boat Crazies for Lies want to write a book on Hillary? She can commission multiple books on all of them!

Negative TV Ad. Hillary runs 20 in response.

Hillary isn't my #1 choice right now, but if she gets the nomination it will be a joy to watch her rip these fuckers' heads off and shit down there throats.
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