I really don't like Terry McAuliffe.

[Blue_In_AK]

That is all.

[AtomicKitten]

1. I like him.

[babylonsister]

2. I cannot stand him, so you're in good company, Blue!

:hi:

[Buzz Clik]

3. Smarmy and skin deep. Yech!

[xkenx]

4. Terry McAwful, thank goodness Howard Dean is now DNC chairman.

He couldn't even stand up to the likes of Ed Gillespie and Ken Mehlman. And that blue-state-only strategy!

[eleny]

5. The Chris Matthews "kiss up" was right on schedule, too

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. thee and me both.

he pushes a button in me that is emotional, gut churning, and upsetting. I can't define what it is, but I detest him. I think he set us back years ago, and he (even with the $$$ he raises) will end up screwing up Hillary. Which is not a bad thing. Edwards and Richardson would be far better.

[Kahuna]

7. I love him.

:loveya:

[Island Blue]

8. This is perhaps the greatest thread of the day on DU.

Simple and to the point. I like it! (And I agree with you 100%.)

[mtnsnake]

36. No. The best thread of the day was the "How did Kerry lose to an imbecile" one.

Just thought I'd point that out. :)

[Nite Owl]

9. Agree n/t

[politicasista]

10. I don't like him n/t

[mconvente]

11. Totally agree 100%

Spewing right-wing talking points about leaving all options open on Iran in the post 9/11 world - folks, this is the campaign manager for hillary fucking clinton, not some repuke. And yet "moderates" and so-called liberals are gaa-gaa over her. Ugh... Dean and Kucinich for me

[Justitia]

12. Me neither. Would you buy a used car from this man? -eom

[movonne]

13. Can't stand the fink....asshole, etc.

[madfloridian]

14. They let him on air to say what he wants...and Dean has to be careful..

It made me sad when Dean said these words to Blitzer.

"DEAN: I think that, you know, first of all, I don't have a vote here, so I think -- I think I'd like to make it as easy as possible on the leadership. There are differing opinions. There's pretty much unanimity of opinions among Democrats that we don't belong in Iraq."

But Terry just says whatever he wants. I don't like him either.

[jaysunb]

18. Mr DLC personified....

He's been a HD hater from waay back.

[PresidentObama]

15. Who was it who called him Terribly McAwful? LOL! Hear hear. n/t

[MarjorieG]

16. Helping Hillary when not helping Kerry.

The guy is ethically challenged, so his loyalty was not so mixed in 2004, looking towards and working for 2008.

Sorry, but getting rid of Bush should have trumped the Dems inside party sports for Bill3.

[mtnsnake]

37. He likes winners. nt

[Clark2008]

53. Itty, bitty small point, mtnsnake.

Hillary's never really been challenged. Winning New York isn't that hard when you're the former first lady with megabucks AND a Democrat.

Kerry actually has won a lot more times than she has.

That said, who doesn't like a winner?

[jaysunb]

17. I met him several times

and he sets my " bullshit detector " off every time. :evilfrown:

[saracat]

19. Well, without him we wouldn't be in the financial position we are.

People forget long before Howard Dean, Terry made us fiscally profitable for the (probably) first time in history. And he brought us technologically into the computer age and made it possible for us to compete.Without Terry, Howard wouldn't have had anything to work with and that's a fact. You don't have to like him but we should give him credit for what he has contributed. I wasn't a fan of some of his strategies but the man did do us a lot of good,and shouldn't be solely blamed for our losses.The Chairman actually has very little power over elections, the 50 state strategy not withstanding.Each campaign must stand on its own.

[AtomicKitten]

22. that is true

link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14038-2004Jul25.html

It doesn't take much of a stretch as human beings to embrace all kinds of people.

It's no skin off our nose to acknowledge the upside of people we or may not agree with; rarely is a human being bereft of value.

These jihads waged at DU are juvenile and indicative of small minds.

[Blue_In_AK]

24. As in the jihads waged by some against John Kerry?

Sorry, this "small minded" 60-year-old juvenile couldn't resist. :) And hardly a jihad, AK, just a statement of my gut feeling.

[AtomicKitten]

25. funny you should mention that

Yes, it is a small mind that is intolerant of discussion that falls short of paying homage to a politician. That truth has been played out here many, many times. The fact that folks are critical of his 2004 campaign is something a handful of you simply cannot digest and, yes, that is indicative of a small mind.

On edit: It occurs to me now what precipitated this thread. In McAullife's book, he criticizes Kerry's 2004 campaign, rightfully so in my opinion and that of many Democrats, and we can't have that, now can we?

[mtnsnake]

31. "In McAullife's book, he criticizes Kerry's 2004 campaign"

He criticized it alright. He called Kerry's effort to unseat Bush "one of the biggest acts of political malpractice in the history of American politics."

No wonder all the thin-skinned Kerry brigade can't stand the man. McAuliffe told it like it was!

[PresidentObama]

35. Perhaps you should read the rules.

No need to name call the Kerry supporters. After all, personal attacks are in the rules. Don't worry I won't tell ;)

I personally don't dislike McAuliffe for his words on Kerry. I question his motives in doing so, but I don't like him because he did a piss poor job in 2002 and 2004. Two elections.

EDIT: Not blaming him for 2004 and Kerry's loss. But I'm saying he did a poor job in 2004, period. And Dean turned the ship around.

[mtnsnake]

38. Maybe you should tattle on me

again.

Hey, a spade is a spade.

Speaking of rules, do the rules allow for cliques to get together to form coalitions responsible for voting empty posts about Kerry to GP all the time? Don't worry, I won't tell :)

[PresidentObama]

42. Does DU ban supporters to post about their 'guy'?

The answer would be no.

[SemperEadem]

43. when it's all said and done

he's right about the way Kerry allowed his campaign to be managed. He allowed the swiftboating to gain the critical mass needed to push him off his message instead of meeting that bullshit head on and bringing a hue and cry down on anyone who would dare besmirch any veteran when they themselves spent absolutely no time at war or got a gazillion deferments to not do their duty.

He should have fired that woman who made the decision to let the swiftboating slide without a challenge. He should have met that knucklehead he went toe to toe with during Nixon's administration with a blow torch in one hand and a can of whoop ass in the other. He let too much time go by and by the time he reacted, the critical mass had grown into the size of a rogue wave and it drowned him, his message and the bump he gained after the debates and convention. The thugs framed his debate to the point where he was having to defend what he didn't need to defend instead of being on the offensive with the truth about bush.

I'm sorry if that rubs some folks the wrong way, but that's what I gleaned not only from DU during that space of time in the presidential race, but subsequently from reading various publications about the Kerry campaign.

[mtnsnake]

44. Awesome post! nt

[politicasista]

45. Name the Democrats that backed Kerry up

While he was being swiftboated. You think Bush fought off the attacks by himself? No, he didn't because he had a strong GOP infrastructure and consistent right leaning pundits stay on message and stuck with it.

What did the Democratic Party do? They constantly did the opposite.

The OP's point is that instead of blaming a weak Dem infrastructure and lack of party and media suppport, you would rather ONLY blame Kerry instead.

The bottom line is that all of this happened on McAwful's watch. Why is he given a pass for playing a role in "losing" two elections?

[SemperEadem]

46. non sequitur

I've never said McAuliffe was without blame. I said that Kerry was to blame for a whole lot of what happened to his campaign because he didn't nip it in the bud when it began.

Don't read into my post what wasn't said and then try to call yourself criticising me for what's going on in your own head.

[PresidentObama]

27. Blue in AK, just walk away.

Don't feed the animals, they come back for more....

[AtomicKitten]

28. and here you are -- you just can't resist

pooling like stagnate water -- I especially like your charade of utter innocence elsewhere on these boards, yet you stir the pot of discontent, of separation, of nastiness. You are so busted.

[PresidentObama]

29. See Blue in AK, perfect example.

They bite too. Not hard, they think they do. But ah, what do the animals know.

Case in point, I love all Democrats. From Hillary Rodham Clinton to John Forbes Kerry, and all of the sudden I'm stirring the pot of separation. Hilarious stuff, huh?

[SharonAnn]

23. Yes. Though he's not my favorite leader by a long shot, he did good work there.

And I think it's appropriate to recognize that. The Democratic Party was in debt and had no technology to speak of when he took over. He fixed the finances, got the new HQ built and the technology in place.

Howard Dean always speaks well of the work Terry did in these areas and acknowledges that he is building on the foundation that Terry built.

Now, having said that, I LOVE Howard Dean and I hope I never have to see or hear Terry on another interview show.

[bvar22]

20. Terry McAuliffe?

:thumbsdown:


"Centrism" (Corporatism) is DEAD!
"The only thing in the Center is yellow stripes and dead armadillos!"---Jim Hightower

K&R
Best Post of the Day!



The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[ProSense]

21. IMO,

Big mouth Terribly McAwful scapegoats immigrants

[wisteria]

33. Oh, recent and proves my point. He has not a clue about what is wrong and what is right. n/t

[Duppers]

26. count me in too! nt

don't like him.

[mtnsnake]

30. Why? Because he called Kerry's sorry campaign "poitical malpractice? LOL!!

WASHINGTON - Former Democratic Party boss and Clinton friend Terry McAuliffe is lambasting John Kerry’s unsuccessful presidential campaign, calling his effort to unseat President Bush "one of the biggest acts of political malpractice in the history of American politics."

http://news.bostonherald.com/politics/view.bg?articleid=175501&format=text

McAuliffe nailed it! :rofl:

[wisteria]

32. I agree. Self-serving, egotistical, shady characters like McAuliffe give our party a bad name.

This man is no Mr Ethics.
Putting his extreme criticism of the Kerry campaign- which was unnecessary and was done for questionable reasons aside, the man may raise money, but he doesn't care where it comes from and IMO, he would sell out the party if it would benefit him.
McAuliffe and the others- remnants of the 90's need to go away for good. There time has past. Our party's reputation and progression depends on it.

Now, AK, I realize mistakes were made in the 04 election, but I still think all in all it was a good campaign and Senator Kerry faced a tough battle to overtake Bush. You can criticize kerry and dislike him for failing, but you can not deny that he came closer than any other candidate in our history to unseating a war time president and he had more people vote for him in this election than voted for Clinton in 92 and 96 and he did that with much tougher obstacles to face than Clinton had. He also achieved a higher Dem registration rate than Clinton or Gore did during their campaigns. And even though he lost- although some disagree with this outcome, he still would have made the best president our country has seem in decades- with no moral issues to bog him down.

[mtnsnake]

34. Wow, he came close to unseating a sheer imbecile, & you're proud of that?

The 2004 election was AAB and Kerry still blew it. Unbelievable!

[wisteria]

40. Now he may have been an imbecile, but he was packaged very well

with the media and corporate money behind him and his flaws were well hidden. And, guess what, many people fell for the strong and resolute malarkey and were frightened about further attacks. And, even though it may be hard to believe for some, people actually believed the Iraq War could still have a happy ending in 2004.
So yes, I am proud of Senator kerry and I admire the hard work and effort he put into running against Bush. I also admire the honesty of his campaign. He never made any promises he didn't intend to keep and he told us the truth.

If you are angry at the senator for losing, well I am sorry. I bet no one is more sorry than he is though. If you would never of voted for him and you never will, well so be it. If you wouldn't of voted for the IWR and you are angry because he did, well that was his decision to make and he did what he thought was best. But, you should take what he says seriously, because he knows -yes he knows- what he is talking about. And, ultimately, he wants the same outcome as you.

[flpoljunkie]

50. And who was peddling that "strong and wrong" bullsh*t? None other than William Jefferson Clinton.

That comment from him not only hurt Kerry--it ,not surprisingly, hurt all Democrats who were on the ballot in 2004.

[Rene]

39. I agree...It's time for McAuliffe, Begalla, Carville and Brazile to get lost.

Go back to private lives and get out of our politics. You are NOT helping the Democrats. Take that stupid Dick Morris with you. I would really appreciate NEVER hearing of you all in the news, ever again.

[Eurobabe]

41. Something slimy about him

He's a modern day snake oil salesman. Put him in a beard and send him off to the carny to hawk laudanum.

[oasis]

47. Democrats need Democrats who can raise $$$ for Democrats. Reality 101.(eom)

[Blue_In_AK]

48. Agreed, but does he have to be so smarmy and obnoxious

while doing it? I guess you're saying it goes with the territory.

Again, I'm not saying anything about his abilities to raise money, I'm just rubbed the wrong way by his persona, but I guess it really doesn't matter as long as the bucks keep rolling in. :shrug:

[cboy4]

49. He irritated me at times, but I wouldn't go so far as to say I

don't like him. :shrug:

[zann725]

51. He looks so sinister now. More so than before. Like the 'wolf 'finally took his sheep head off.

McAweful's mean-ness in recent interviews does NOT say much re: his plans on "helping" the Clinton campaign. And his recent book tour has a personna reminiscent of recent Tom Cruise oddness.

Yet McA speaks of JK's "political malpractice?!"

[zulchzulu]

52. He did a fantastic job losing the House and Senate in 2002....

Thanks Terry!