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Australian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 05:40 AM
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How to WIN the next few elections and Keep the neo-Con out
How to win, and how to clean up the United States at the same time.

George Bush and Cond. Rice etc. are neoconservatives, supported by neoconservative corporations.

You get the United Nations to peacefully end the colonial genocide of West Papua ;
this will cause a split in the Republican party between Jakarta loyalist like Bush & Rice against others who would want to support West Papua's freedom (having saved thousands of US soldier's lives during the Pacific war might also help);
this will stop Freeport looting West Papua's gold and copper - and in my opinion probably stop the stockpiling of gold as a Bechtel slush fund for covert operations ;
this will soon cripple Jakarta's (Bechtel, Exxon, Freeport, Conoco, the TNI Generals) fiscal and political power base.

Once free of this group of corporations, you will be able to fix the CIA, re-write its Act so that it returns to its original intended function of helping the US government - - it was meant to ensure the Departments of STate, Defence and Justice had all the information they needed to prevent another Pearl Harbor. If the CIA had been allowed to do its job, the Vietnam war would not have happen, Vietnam would be a free democracy using the US Declaration of Independence as its guide; Operation Ajax would not have made a radical Islamic cleric a world power. And the thousand other insane things the CIA has done by following the Ford Foundation and Rand Corporation's advice will at last stop.

We can not un-do the pass, but we can fix the future. The US could return to building prosperty instead of making this group of corporations rich; the majority of corporations are good citizens, but not all of them.

I believe ending the colonization and genocide of West Papua will greatly help the United States - what do you think?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 06:39 AM
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1. It seems what the folks there want most is an end to the Indonesian occupation
Something should be done because it's pretty clear the people of West Papua are being oppressed.
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Australian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 07:10 AM
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2. Papua are being oppressed
Yale University Law School does say it is genocide, I am no legal expert so I defer to their opinion whther the abuse qualifys under the genocide conventions. Beyond the racial cleansing of a US Pacific war Ally by the Indonesian military; West Papua is the keystone of the colonial empire ruled by the Jakarta lobby.

Do you really want to keep Bechtel, Exxon, Freeport McMoRan, Newmont, Conoco, etc. in power and pulling Washington's strings?

WHY was the US Congress was not allowed to ask the questions in Section 1115? http://wpik.org/Src/section1115.html

WHY did George Bush call Darfur a genocide? In the SAME week the Australian media was reporting jihad beheadings of West Papuans and burning of another ten towns. Do you really think Darfur has not been used as a distraction?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 08:15 AM
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3. I didn't say I wanted to keep Bechtel, etc. in power.
I merely offered an opinion pursuant to your invitation to do so, and did not weigh in on anything other than the occupation by Indonesia. Kindly refrain from attributing to me comments that I have not made.
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Australian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 09:29 AM
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4. No personal inference intended
Edited on Mon Feb-12-07 09:30 AM by Australian
I'm sorry I caused you any disturbance, I was writting for benefit of the DU group / community.
As 99.9% of Americans today no longer know about West Papua / West New Guinea, I assume you most likely made the effort of looking up information about West Papua, so that you could consider what I was saying. That would suggest an intelligent person who enjoys using his mind; I certainly did not mean any slur. I apologise for not making it clear I was posing the extra information and questions for the rest of the DU community.

Unless people read through everything I've posted at the Information Kit, they probably will not understand why West Papua is so important to GW Bush and the neoconservative corporations. I've spent seven years trying to dig up the truth; the US Congress two years ago wrote Section 1115 because of information I was able to send to Congressman Faleomavaega; information that mostly started in the US but which has been burried; burried to protect hundreds of billions of dollars profit per year.

I don't want to use words like, genocide, neo-colonial, neoconservative, but those are the terms that describe what is being done to my friends in West Papua, and describes the nature of the corporations that are behind it. Funny enough the chief corporation is Bechtel which is also making a tiddy profit the the Iraq invasion , and if history repeats itself in a few years it will be revealed that Iraq has another type of mineral wealth besides the oil, maybe uranium.

I do not know what really motivated the Iraq invasion; but I do know for a fact, that Kennedy was manipulated by the people the US Dept. of State wrote records of as the "pro-Indonesia group at the Whitehouse" - - at the time it seemed funny that Bundy, Komer, and Rostow were pushing Sukarno's agenda. But it turns out they were actually pushing the agenda Bechtel required to allow it to build the Freeport McMoran mine and to gain complete support of the TNI Generals for mining the other 'Provinces' like Aceh, Borneo, the Celebes, etc.

As I say, hundreds of billions of dollars for this group of companies depends on keeping West Papua as a colony.
You are right about the human rights issue, equal to Darfur, for human rights alone the US and Australia should be doing the right thing - - but there is an extra benefit if you want to get rid of the new age conservatives who wish to keep things as they are now.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:46 AM
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5. No offense taken
You are exactly correct. I had to look it up to find that the region more commonly known as Western New Guinea is sometimes called West Papua. You are also correct to suppose that I was ignorant of these things except that I could find Western New Guinea on a map and know of the roles that the people played in WWII. You see, my father served aboard the diesel submarine USS Nautilus during all six War Patrols that originated from Australia against the Japanese-controlled Philippines during WWII.

Could this be related in any way to events in the Northern Marianas Islands?

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/09/real.delay//

Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff were involved in efforts there to prevent wage and immigration reform there, so if there is any relationship between that and the situation in Western New Guinea you might see Americans develop more of an interest in the concerns you have shared. The themes of exploitation for corporate interests seem similar.

I'll have to give this issue some thought. Thanks for bringing up the subject.
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Australian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:52 AM
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6. exploitation for corporate interests
No direct link that I'm aware of. What I prefer to call "negative Globalization" is when a corporation moves its business to evade labor or environmental or other laws, to 'externalize' more of their operating costs.

As I think Noam Chomsky pointed out the first real application of this were the sweatshops of Java after General Suharto seizure of power in 1965/66.; that is where the US clothing industry disappeared to in the late 60s and 70s, the Rockefellers and Ford Foundation had spent twenty years working towards that day. It was meant to have happen fifteen years earlier when they help Sukarno seize power in 1950, excepting Sukarno proved unwilling to sign the business contracts this group of US businessmen wanted him to sign; which is why the Ford Foundation in 1957 told the CIA that it should commence funding the Indonesian military (TNI) instead of the Indonesian government - which remained US policy until Clinton issued a ban against supplying weapons or training (and money I think) to the TNI.

Sukarno was the self-declared nationalist who kept calling for Japan to declare war on the United States for which the Dutch convicted him of sedition, twice. He was serving the second term when Japan did commence attacks on Pearl Harbour, Darwin and invaded the 'East Indies' for its oil. Unable to get any Javanese to help, the Japanese eventually sent word to allow Sukarno to return to Jakarta; he was a good speaker and with the Japanese radio etc. got volunteer work brigades to supply the oil and other war supplies, formed his own militia forces who were told it was a holy Islamic duty to fight the Americans and other western powers; and they got rid of the anti-war clerics and put a more cooperative group of clerics in office.

Anyway in March 1945 Tokyo issued orders for Sukarno and Mohammad Hatta to prepare a post-war government which was to be called "Indonesia" - a name which Sukarno had suggested back in the 1920s. At the end of the war the US & UK Generals were told not to arrest or disarm Sukarno or his troops, but to leave them in control of the 'East Indies'. The Ford Foundation flew a selection of the Javanese elite to the US to be educated with the Foundation's economic wisdoms; which is the background to David Ransom's 1974 book chapter "Ford Country: Building an Elite for Indonesia" http://www.cia-on-campus.org/internat/indo.html
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:22 PM
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7. This negative globalization has been peddled as the theory of relative advantage.
Sounded real good in economics classes. But it turned out to be used as a smokescreen for enslavement of the locals by corporations. The principle has merit to a point. But here's a more important principle: Corporations should be tightly controlled and never trusted.
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Australian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 08:07 PM
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9. Yep, Marshal Plan was used to cover treason and murder
This is where I still agree with Australian Liberal Party; I agree with companies having a great degree of freedom, and people taking responsibility for their own decisions. BUT, I DISAGREE with excessive privileges - companies must NOT be allowed to intimidate employees, and companies which commit murder and treason should have all their executives fired, and all voting shareholders lose their shares. And criminal charges should be leveled at all the executives for their group decision to commit murder, treason, and pervert the course of justice, etc.

I searched the New York Times archives hoping to find evidence that Americans did have decency and regard for their West New Guinea / West Papua allies; I discovered the Editor, University Professors, and US veterans were all up in arms about Indonesia wanting to invade and colonize West Papua. Long since forgotten by today's generation.

The treason is that Kennedy was surrounded by a "pro-Indonesia group at the Whitehouse" working against the interests of the United States and against the President. The world's BIGGEST GOLD and Copper deposit, a prize corporations would kill for; are still killing for; a resource the Standard Oil group had kept secret since 1936, was the driving force behind Rockefeller's Freeport Sulphur's actions since 1959, a rich prize which Bechtel is the engineer for.

The US President was told a shit-load of lies about communism spreading across Java and Australia unless he had the United States sacrifice principles of freedom, democracy, and the law to save the US from communism. Robert Kennedy was given the awful task of drafting the "New York Agreement" selling the people of West New Guinea to Indonesia.

Thankfully, the Robert F Kennedy Memorial Center for Human Rights was one of the first in 1993 to try and do something to address this evil that was done because of avarice to steal gold and create an empire of colonies from West Papua to Aceh. Today, that corruption & avarice is visible in Iraq and the memory of 9/11.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:27 PM
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8. Never heard of West Papua but thought it might be in Indonesia.
I had to do a little research and also found it on Google earth. I had learned about the genocide in East Timor and Banda Achi a couple of years ago on Democracy Now but I didn’t know that it was also going on in Papua New Guinea. What went on and is apparently still going on in Indonesia and Papua following the Vietnam War has been a very well hid secret hear in the U.S. and is seldom mentioned even by the liberal media, so thanks for bringing it up. I don’t have nor have I heard a lot of information so I won’t try to put my foot in my mouth too far, as I’m sure there are those who know a lot more than I concerning this subject. But what I have heard is the death toll in this regional conflict exceeds that of Vietnam, and the weapons used in the slaughter of (am I correct) millions, were made by and supplied by Americans. One thing for sure, the region is now safe for American corporations to strip it of its rich resources. Resources that can be crammed down the throats of consumers, unaware of the robed, murdered and innocent victims! Resources that are, (by our consumption), turned into gold and great wealth for a handful of American elitist! Resources that are coveted to the point of addiction by those who control it, for controlling it gains the aberrant loyalty, conformity and complicity of those so addicted to it, “We the people”! But the Neo-cons can in no way take all the credit or blame, depending on how you look at it…
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Australian Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 09:23 PM
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10. Public awareness - Mushrooms
Tar, Thanks for saying that, but you certainly don't need to feel embarrassed for having been aware of West Papua - George Bush has gone to exordinary lengths hide it from the US public
(sending FBI agents to kidnap people for foreign powers; displacing the Department of State as the primary advisor for the Congress and Senate committees on US Indonesia Relations with Bechtel's US Indonesia Society lobby; keeping US Congress letters out of the US media; keeping the murder of two American teachers largely out of the media; keeping Section 1115 out of the media. He even managed to distract the anti-genocide movement and got them to ignore the Yale Law school genocide report in 2004. One hell of a job since he took office).

Until one year ago 90% of Australians didn't even know where or what West Papua was, and New Guinea is 10% of the Australian continental land mass! West Papua is 5% of the land mass of the Australian continent. West Papua has kangaroos and echidna etc. for a simple reason. I am ashamed by Australians who stand up for the human rights of our indigenous neighbour of West Papua.

And there is a big reason, not good, why the neocon corporations wanted to keep West Papua a secret; it is the keystone that holds their hold to power together - like a House of Cards, but West Papua is the card in the middle. I believe if pulled it will cause the neocon corporations overseas illegal operations to collapse and be exposed.

I think we can have an age of sanity, if we make the effort.
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